Well he pretty much finished ST and made it interesting. SW was great at launch and received several updates quickly and I consider it done. All games will have some preferred pathways or exploits so I don't have an issue with that. GB needs to be balanced and GOT just needs a final bug polish. People give Lyman 5 years to work on code so why is everyone always so up in arms over Dwight?

TWD and BM66 were awful at launch and took forever to just be ok. Both have fantastic code now though.

He can state what ever his opinions are but in the end his employer has said it's not finished so it doesn't really matter what he thinks on it. I agree the latest update has taken too long but it will eventually come. As for inserts not relating that's probably not a good example as my favorite Lyman game ACDC has the same thing. The code just went a different direction and they ended up not using them like originally planned. You still see people piss and moan about cannon modes though, so some people are just not going to be happy no matter what the coder does.

This!!!!! If you bought blindly you have no one but yourself to blame. If you bought expecting everything to end up just how you wanted it you are delusional. No game will suite every single person and not all games should have the same amount of code and depth. Unique code is what really sets some games apart, not just more lines of code. Buying something before it is what you want it to be is taking a big risk. Even with Lyman he could leave stern, have a medical issues that causes him to retire, a recession could happen and stern could go under, etc. There are all sorts of situations that could end up with you paying a lot of money for a game that you are not happy with.

Not really, if you are patient enough and wait 18 months or so all games have full code reports and exploits listed on several of the forums. You can still buy the games NIB at that point or get a HUO. Stern makes most titles for 24-36 months and if it's a great game it will sell well and they will continue to make them like they have with Met, ACDC, ST, SM, etc. So if polished code is your main concern there is absolutely no reason to rush to buy a game. The people that keep falling for the hype really have no business bitching constantly about code. They knew exactly what they were getting into and did it anyway.

Now you are never going to get into the American Pinball Army either.

I dont believe this is true it all. The vast majority of pinball owners couldn't tell you if they have a game that has an uncoded insert. Even fewer could tell you what each insert is for and when it comes on.

As a The Beatles owner you should get it. Not all games need to be like that. It's great that we actually have real variety in pinball. Do you always feel like playing those games or sometimes do you just want some simple fun.

Exactly, that's why tna did so good, that's why MBr is selling great. They just need good code that matches the layout with good theme integration.

Variety is the spice of life.

I've never understood why some of you are so black and white on this stuff. Keith's games are great but I dont want to play them all the time. Stern games are great but I dont want to play them all the time. 1980 Bally's are great but I dont want to play them all the time. 1990's B/W are great but I dont want to play them all the time. So I own some of all of them and I seldom get bored. Cant you guys just enjoy pinball without always having a side?

In a few cases especially at launch stern has been lazy with the code copy and pasting. Those few games did eventually branch out and become very much their own though. I actually enjoy what you are calling filler modes. Stern uses them in conjunction with new ideas and code to give a throwback feel with a fresh approach a lot of times.

Do people really want to go on some mode based adventure every time we turn on a pinball machine? Isn't there room for all of the other styles of games and isn't it good that we have options? You clearly like JJP and especially Keith games the best, but there are a lot of people that are not into that. Pinball has likely never been so diverse which is great. For some reason pinside always wants to stack them up and prove to each other that one is superior to the other which is silly and impossible. People can count coils, lines of code, toys, etc, but not of it matters. The only thing that matters is if it's fun. I do not have anymore fun on my JJP games then I do Embyron. All of the prices now are stupid so the only thing I think about is will it be as fun as my other games to me.

You guys act like this is just a stern problem. TH just recently got to a really good point, how long ago did it get announced? RZ just got an update to fix several major bugs that have been lingering for close to a year.

Lyman was the lead on TWD. Not sure why you are blaming Lonnie for it.

Lonnie was the lead on ST and Dwight was hired later on and finished the programming.

Either you have some really behind the scenes info or you have your programmers mixed up.

You guys wonder why no one from the industry hardly uses pinside. Have you talked to Dwight at a show? Did you see him on the stream yesterday? You wont find someone much more passionate about it.

One of you is yelling about Lonnie getting vacation time and screwing up a game he didn't touch and now we are questioning their passion. Geeze.

Everyone knew it was coming. It had been rumored for 6 months or more and Borg and Lyman were mentioned from the start. According to Lyman the reason for the launch code was because stern botched the license and they thought they had the voice licenses but didn't and he had to almost start over. At least that's what he pretty much said on Facebook if I remember correctly.

You need to play some pinball if you think TWD and TNA are the only 2 complete modern games.

Just finished a 9 billion game of SW. All of you Dwight haters hate away. Dude knows how to make unique awesome code.

Pretty sure that is in sterns control, not Dwight's. If they said finish GB and here is your timeframe he would. You guys act like he decides what his time is spent on.

Lol, maybe you just dont like his games. "Not in my house fun".

As for all the other nonsense you have no clue what Dwight's commitment to stern, each game, each day, etc is. Your just making up stuff.

I personally wouldn't own any of your 4 games. Not because they are bad games, but because they are not my style. That does not in turn mean the designers and coders of those games are lazy 9-5 hacks that will never make an impact on anything.

Have you played GOT or SW? Shallow rulesets?

You also have games like MET, ACDC, IM, etc rated as terrible games. So does Lyman suck because you dislike many of his games?

And yes, you are completely making up stuff when you take games that you dont like and then somehow flip that into Dwight's an non dedicated 9-5 bum that doesnt care. Or he does care and is just incompetent.

When have I apologized about anything stern does. If I dont like it, I dont buy it. What I dont care for is people personally attacking someone they do not know and have zero clue about. You and Underlord are both skilled at saying things like they are facts when you are just making up shit. Its irresponsible and reckless to make statements like that.

Go back and read your own posts. Those are all things you insinuated. Now he makes shallow code even though that's not been the case on recent games.

You just dont like his style of coding which is fine. I'm not sure how you in turn relate that to him not caring. I do not like any Pat Lawyer games. They just are not for me. That doesn't take anything away from what hes made and others love his games.

I'm not buying a Munsters and I dont often jump in early on a game. If I decide to get one it will be a show game to save some money down the road. NIB pricing from all of the companies has gotten too rich for my tastes.

As for my collection, I have 17 games. Its private because I dont like the weekly pm's of someone randomly asking to buy something that isnt for sale.

You are 100% entitled to dislike everything Dwight has ever coded. Sometimes styles just dont match up. I completely get that as I feel the same way about other designers, coders, artists etc. We all have what we like and we like it for a reason.

I would encourage you to go back and read all of your posts in this thread and see if you would say that stuff to Lonnie, Dwight, etc's face. As you insinuated several times that neither really care.

Well I'd honestly pay to see that. It would make for an awkward time for sure. There would be a pile of nervous pinballers shuffling their feet and staring at the ground. I'll translate those into what each will hear.

Dwight I think Lyman works a lot harder then you and I question your dedication to the games you are lead on.

Lonnie, your personal leave time is my business and I'd like to know why you think you have the right to vacation.

Dwight GB is not finished. Why is it Ritchie can complain and make something happen but Treaduea cant get anything done with all of his free time. It's not like he has anything else to do in his cell.

I'll pass on the flowers, allergies. For candy I prefer sour patch kids.