Looking if anyone know who jace537 out of Webster N.Y. is.

I bought a non working Williams Sys 11a board from him that was described as "overall good condition" but assumed non working. I opened up the box and this thing has corrosion damage all over that really couldn't be seen from the original pictures. It would cost more to repair this thing than it's worth or buy a Rottendog.

Anyway, I initiated a return with eBay and he claims that too bad, as-is, no refunds, and that I have buyers remorse. Your damn right, after I opened that box, I wish I had never bought this thing!

Overall good condition? I don't think so!

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Agreed!

Oh man, you all need to read this one! This is our conversation through the eBay return process. After this last response from the seller, I closed the eBay return and opened a claim through PayPal. I do NOT trust this guy to get my refund without a PayPal claim.

BTW jace537 of eBay is Gerard Fischette of Webster N.Y. - I warn anyone about this guy's auctions.

Aug 01 The seller sent you a message

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Looking at your pictures, I still maintain that your description of the board as useless is ridiculous. As for insulting, anyone who has the information, pictures, disclaimer, clearly stated no returns policy and then orders a used part thinking that if he/she does not like what he/she gets is being dishonest and completely off base. If you had any questions, you should have emailed me before bidding. Obviously you have no regard for the proper way to determine what and what not to bid on when using EBay. The corrosion shown in your pictures is most likely surface corrosion which is present on ninety percent of all boards of this vintage. Not only is the board repairable, but it is in better than average condition. If anyone is being insulting, it is you. I will accept a return and refund your money, in full, only upon receipt of the board in the exact same condition in which it was sent. Never bid on any of my auctions again, you will be bared from being able to do so. I suggest that you do not commit to any purchases in the future which require any electronic board experience on your part or which in any way warrant that you may not be getting a pristine item valued four times what you are paying. Good luck with the next seller you decide to screw.

Aug 01 You sent a message

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I have enclosed 6 pictures to very accurately demonstrate that your description of "overall good condition" was a total misrepresentation. I bought a board that I fully expected that I would have to repair. Upon opening the package and to find corrosion in several different locations on this board makes it's about worthless and cost prohibitive to repair. Your assumptions as to my intentions are incorrect and quite insulting. If this damage had been disclosed, I would have NEVER purchased or made an offer on this board. Please make good on this.

Jul 31 The seller sent you a message

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The board was clearly shown, both sides, with clear pictures and an over all accurate description of the board, that it should be assumed that it would need to be repaired and that there were NO RETURNS. The sale price was a little more than twenty five percent of what a new MPU would cost and terms were explicit, clear and there was no room for misinterpretation. Obviously the buyer was hoping for an out of the box working MPU and ignored both the pictures and the description. I will not offer a refund, credit or any other return credit. The buyer either found a better board, or had buyer's remorse. The statement that there is massive amounts of corrosion is total BS, This board even had a remote battery pack so the massive corrosion claim is either exaggerated or or invented. If a buyer does not clearly examine the pictures posted or study the item being bid on it is not the seller's responsibility to compensate for the buyer's lack of due diligence. The disclaimer on the board's condition was explicit and the lack of any warranty was spelled out as well as the fact that there are no returns accepted.

Jul 31 You created a return

Reason for return: Doesn't match description or photos
Comments:
The seller described the board as overall good shape, but did not disclose the massive amount of corrosion all over the board that could not be seen in the pictures. Not as described.

Obviously his idea of "overall good condition" includes serious amounts of corrosion damage! He HAD 100% positive feedback and I believe I had bought some G.T. boards in the past from him as well.

After receiving the board and THEN going back and looking at the original pictures, sure it is MUCH easier to spot. I but I don't think any one of us here would consider this an "overall good condition".

This was his best quote:
"The corrosion shown in your pictures is most likely surface corrosion which is present on ninety percent of all boards of this vintage". He is a bullshit artist.

His reactions are what really suck. If he would have came back and offered a partial refund and said keep the board, or send it back and eat the shipping, I would have sucked it up and done so. But no, he has been an absolute tool and makes all sort of false accusations, screw him, I want a full refund.

LOL....must be a friend.

I agree here, bought these from my phone. Won't do that again.

I am a bit confused as to why you think I have a chip on my shoulder?

I really think you may be reading into this a bit wrong....I never said he needs to GIVE me the board and GIVE me a refund. I said instead of the seller being a DICK, lying to eBay about the corrosion issues(first he says I am making up the corrosion issues, then after I provide pictures to him & eBay he tries to claim that is normal surface corrosion), he could have been cool and OFFERED a deal for a partial refund and keep the board or I send it back for a refund and I, ME, not him, eats all the shipping costs.

OK, if I did not look at the pictures close enough, that's fair, that's MY fault, not his. But what have I done that is so wrong here? I am asking for a refund because I put my trust in a seller that had 100% feedback and described a board in "overall good condition" that turned out to be in really poor condition. Therer is a fine line between saying something is good or fair, or has issues, but to say something is good when it really is shit, that is a huge discrepancy on the sellers end. He was selling junk. Then on top of that to blatantly lied to eBay? I am making the corrosion issues up? He knew he was selling junk and tried to cover his ass with eBay.

SO I ask again, what have I really done wrong here? Those of you who are OK with the sellers tactics really need a reality check.

I would have gladly done this, without hesitation if he had offered.

The fact that when I opened the eBay claim, he lied to eBay saying I am making up the corrosion issues. Then, when I presented the pictures to him and eBay, he changed his tune and brushed it off as surface corrosion.

This is what I don't get, why is anyone OK with this?

Yes, I bought this through my phone, with the eBay app. I did not inspect the pictures good enough, I get it, my fault. But I also took into account the seller for his wording and his feedback. This board in 100% NOT overall good condition, by anyone's standards. Not even the seller because he felt the need to lie to eBay.

My bad. But now, too bad, the seller had to lie to eBay and be a dick, so I made a Paypal claim and he will now lose.

Mods, please lock this up because this will turn into a shit show from here.

Don't say we, because there are plenty who have posted and DO agree with me.

Lock it because what more is going to come out of this?

I admitted that I could not have looked over the pictures good enough.

I don't agree with the sellers description and then the seller tried to cover his ass and lie to eBay.

We are both in the wrong, but I should just lay down and take it? NOPE, no way.

What more is there?

I expected some corrosion damage, I knew the board needed work, I am not a total idiot , but I opened the box and this thing is a lost cause.

Trust me, I have brought many a bally/stern back to life that others consider basket cases.

Want it?, $135 shipped and it's yours!

No fight, just wanted to return it. And again, with his feedback and record, that is why I took his word.

Bottom line is, shit happens. Hopefully Paypal will sort it out.

This has turned into a full escalated claim with Paypal as the seller finally, after ten days, replied to Paypal. The seller continues to lie and accuse me of finding another board or a cheaper price. He continues to tell Paypal that the board really has minimal corrosion and it's no big deal. Also tells paypal that I am slandering him. Nothing I have claimed is untrue. He is the one lying to Ebay and Paypal.

This guy is selling JUNK, and he knows it.

Here is another example, this is a dead Williams 7 digit display for $45 that will need to be diagnosed and repaired. Yeah , it needs a new glass, the board is worth 5 bucks tops and he knows it.

ebay.com link: Williams Police Force Pinball Small 7 Digit Display Board Used

He also has no clue what the definition of slander is either.

Please tell me what false statement have I made?

Now this is where you are clearly making shit up.

I have clearly owned my mistake, I didn't look at the pictures good enough, I used the app on my phone. High resolution pictures my ass, another point you have just pulled out of thin air. So I am 100% responsible for a piece of shit that was described as overall good condition. Bullshit!

I posted pictures of the bad corrosion here and then of his replies to me and eBay. First he said I was making it up, then when presented with the pictures, he brushed it off and said that's minimal. So I have posted the evidence quite clearly. He lied to Ebay on the claim several times and keeps making accusations as to my motives. I wanted a repairable board, not a corroded out piece of shit.

Now you claim I am libel? PLEASE, PROVE IT!

I am still waiting......where is YOUR evidence?

So you are good with him asking $45 for a non working display that isn't worth 5 bucks. The seller knows it's a POS, you know it's a POS, I know it's a POS, but it's OK if he get's a "sucker" with his "looks to be in overall good condition" because that capitalism? Fuck that!

You are the one I really don't ever want to do business with.

Great synopsis! Now please show me where I have been libel?

Your points:
- not a fact, because if it was working he would never sell it as is, he knew it didn't work
- agree and I did
- disagree, a fully corroded board does NOT appear to be in good overall condition, and makes that statement misleading.
- AS IS, yep he said it
- no warranty- I get it
- No Returns, yeah because he knows he is selling SHIT!

I can hang my hat on the good condition thing all I want because that is how HE described it.
That is why I used Paypal protection on this one.

You quoted me asking "where is your evidence" I asked to be proven for libel. You came back with a synopsis of the transaction. There is no proof of libel there.

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Won't need it. But thanks .....bud!

Making false statements that could ruin one's reputation.

I see why you asked....seems I missed a word in there before libel.

Screw it....here is his statement to Paypal for our dispute. He obviously reads pinside or "someone" has pointed this thread out to him. He is so full of it.

8/10/2017 06:28 PDT - Seller: Item was exactly as described. My listed stated that the item APPEARED to be in overall good condition, not that it WAS IN GOOD CONDITION as the buyer incorrectly claims. Additionally, the posted pictures showed the existing minimal corrosion which is common for boards of this vintage and age. The buyer must have found an alternative board or found a cheaper price. Buyer has slandered me on pinball blogs and his claim is unjust. Listing clearly stated no returns and cautioned that board could need repair.

*Minimal? Pure bullshit, my HD pictures prove as such
*Appeared vs Was ? Laughing out loud.
*Found an alternative or or something cheaper. Um no, I thought I found a good deal on a repairable board. I got worthless shit.
*Slandered him on pinball blogs. I have not said one thing that is untrue, and have only discussed this on pinside.

Lying to eBay and Paypal, bullshit semantics over appeared vs was(and I have always included the word "overall" in my claims), accusations of alternatives and slander, but has no clue it is not slander if it is the truth.

But I am the asshole here because I want to return a board that is a P.O.S.? He said NO RETURNS, so that makes it all OK for him? I should just eat it? Sorry, NO FUCKING WAY.

This is overall ok??? Remember, these are MY pictures , not his.

I have a box of Bally 35 boards I would like to sell you, is 50 bucks a board good for you?

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I will live with my "damaged reputation" thank you....means so much coming from someone who should look in the mirror and see the real "palooka".

It's dead anyway, I will win the paypal claim hands down. It's just funny to see some of these same people who are telling me too bad, live with it, are the sames one who would be all over a seller who sold them a machine in overall good condition, but was delivered as a complete P.O.S. Oh but there were pictures, yeah, and you can't see everything from 2 of the same front view pictures and 1 view of the back pictures. Those who think I have somehow damaged my reputation, who gives a shit, I wouldn't want to do business with them anyway.

Complete hypocrites.

I will only report back when Paypal makes a decision, of which I will live with whichever way they rule.

Now who is guilty of libel? You are pathetic and making things up. When did I EVER, and I mean EVER, try to keep the board and get a full refund? NEVER! The seller will have the board back in his hands TODAY according to the tracking number. SO go jump in a sewage pond you damn liar.

Reputation? check, got it!

Again, you skip over my exact question, where did I EVER try to keep the board and get a full refund? The quote shows that I said IF the the seller HAD OFFERED a partial refund and keep the board or offered a full refund and I eat the shipping costs. These were not demands on MY parts. Nor did I ever ask for a full refund and keep the board.

(edited). Keep twisting what I said to meet your personal agenda.

Reputation...it's all here pal.

The dead horse has been beaten!

The art of deflection, I love it. C'mon, keep bringing it. You wanted to accuse me of a 100% falsehood, that's a personal attack. Quit trying to be a victim, that is pathetic, just own up to it man.

No, it was an accepted offer through eBay.

Getting a little cheeky with your comments?

Issue has been resolved, Paypal issued a 100% refund, including shipping, and the eBay seller has his board back.

I had this thread re-opened to report what the final result was to those who knew I was sold a P.O.S..

You obviously have ZERO ethical sense and can go pound sand. You accused me of crap you plainly made up to fit your personal needs.

My advice is for you to go get bent!

Lock this fucking thing back up and throw away the key because you have drsfmd trolling again.