This is pretty typical pinside posting right here. You have a guy that actually gives the facts about a game, and everyone ignores those facts and then jumps to insults and learn how to play pinball.

Mark is right on all accounts. AC/DC is a totally average game with an interesting rule set that is destroyed by stupid cheap instant drains that are often times rewards for making shots. I see your "The bell is a risky shot" and my only reply is that a risky shot that is made should never reward you with instant drain. Additionally, as Mark has already stated, why would anyone find enjoyment in starting a mode that has the cannon shoot the TnT targets, which pop the ball instantly into the left outlane. Does this happen to you guys and you think "Gee, that was fun!" I dont even get control of the ball for this, it just happens due to bad software.

Maybe you guys should stop attacking a person for his honest feedback and instead come up with some sort of rational reasoning why instant drains for made shots is an ok thing. I like the game as well, but it is far from a top 10 game, and the only saving grace that AC/DC has is interesting software that allows you to constantly stack multiballs to make it ok to make shots that should otherwise be fun without the multiball requirement.

Gee, maybe I should go make a video too that counters one point of your statement, that totally seems reasonable.. Oh wait, when I do, I am sure I will get something along the lines of "Learn to play pinball" because learning how to hit two buttons on a wooden cabinet must be the failing point. I already know explaining things is pointless when you dont agree with it. I cant change an ignorance to facts, and I am not going to waste my time. Maybe you should go troll a linux forum.

You also told Mark that maybe he should learn how to slap save to stop this, interesting.

And there are many posts on pinside also ask how to address SDTM bell drains and requests to put a ball save in for uncontrolled cannon shots to TnT that left drain.

Really? Are you reading the same forum where statements like "Why is everyone dog piling on Mark" are being made?

Congrats on your 100k of karma points that tell you me you make nothing but worthless posts like this one. Its awesome you have found a place where you are rewarded for wasting electrons.

Yet there are several forum posts complaining about how to fix STDM drains, along with pictures and instructions on how to limit them. Do you disagree with that?

Its ok Iceman, those contradicting posts are necessary to break 100k. Because, you know, thats important.

Ill take that as you admitting its a problem, since you "fixed" it. So then why continue to try and state that its not a problem?

Its ok, you got some more karma for posting this too. Crap, so did I, I really wish I could have mine locked to 0. Robin?

I am having a hard time deciding if this forum or watching Monty Python is more enjoyable.

Read this again smassa. Apparently you missed it. You can just assume I put your cute little animation making "your point" here too.

I would argue that succesfully making any shot shouldn't require a save. Missing a shot sure, but not making one. However, I do have some examples of older games, and KME (Keith) and MM (Mike Mahaffey) are amazing at this particular game. Bally 1985 Beat the Clock had a shot that was almost a requirement to keep play that often times sent the ball STDM. However, to compete in that game, you had to add time to the clock first before going for the points.

So what do you consider a cheap drain?

Based on the fact your user pic is AC/DC I am willing to bet you don't agree with anything that offers a point that shows flaws in the game.

Agreed, I hate this as well.

Yep, a "sloppy" shot to the bell means you dont hit the bell and most likely didnt even get in the lane Or maybe a "sloppy" shot means the bell is swinging like crazy and you cant hit it again until it stops triggering.

Here is something most people wont do here, agree with you. Xmen magnets are cheap as hell at times, specifically wolverine. Fortunately, its so infrequent that it doesnt bother me. I can't say the same thing for AC/DC. Not to mention Xmen has way more interesting shot availability then AC/DC.

All I read here was I didn't agree with you. Sorry, guess I am not a sheeple.