No. I'm pretty sure JJP #3 will be released first and JPop will be forced to scrap the current MG design and try and match Lawlor. I love JPop's games and have 2 of his best, but I don't think he's even in Lawlor's realm as a designer.

Jpop's new stuff is beyond raising the bar.

Assuming the rules are good, that art and sound package IS the one to beat - amazing.

Nothing not released causes anyone to step up their game. IMO we should wait till a pin is complete and shipping before we crown it King.

As of yet, I have seen nothing about MG that screams "bar raising" to me. The art is phenominal and so is the screen, but so are those items on JJP's offerings so far.

MG really looks like a tribute to JPop's 90's games by JPop. Not too exciting for me. I would be interested to see AIW, assuming he ever actually starts making games.

For what it's worth, i know for a fact that JJP does view Zidware as a competitor.

If Jpop ever makes a game, let alone ships one out then the poll would hold some relevance. Otherwise just throwing darts at a board at this time.

We'll be lucky to see a JPOP game made by JJP Release #300. So until then; the only competition jjp has from JPOP is the $ he can swindle from more people.

All the colors of a Huffy girls bicycle.

Zidware's hand-drawn art looks excellent and is a nice change of pace from other games being made now. The neon color palate doesn't do much for me, but I guess if they went with anything else they'd be disappointing JPop's fans. And the "magic" inserts in the middle of the playfield are in serious need of a font makeover (has a futuristic vibe that doesn't scream "magic" to me.) So I'd say there's plenty of room for JJP to make #3 a beautiful, hand-drawn game that could readily compete with Zidware on pure aesthetics.

Still, I'm hoping like everyone else that Magic Girl comes together soon and makes the buyers very happy, they've been on a long and bumpy ride and deserve some satisfaction!

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They look good lite up by the laser

He must have settled on the color palate around Easter time. Looks like a basket full of Peeps!peeps.jpg

Ouch! kind of harsh SKB

Jpoops MG is how much, 12-15K? I don't remember. JJP is 7500.00. By looking at what I have seen of MG and comparing it to WoZ and/or THLE I would 1000 times rather have MG but you cant compare the two. MG is a Ferrari JJPs pins are mass produced Corvettes. The artwork on MG is beautiful hand drawn stuff while as nice as JJP's PF are they are still photoshoped pics. JJP #3 may be different but I don't see it anywhere near the quality that MG looks to have. But, we haven't seen a actual MG have we? My opinion and jumbled thoughts

honestly, it looks like someone ate those peeps and then puked on a piece of plywood...

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I'll wait to call MG a Ferrari until we see an actual working game. Might turn out to be a Pinto.

I think it might be safe to compare them to Art such as Picasso vs average graphic designer.

But, until he has actually produced a working game, its all just a big art display.

What car is that? Yes MG is a Ferrari. I think the PF art and colors are awesome. You are talking to a guy who has a fluorescent yellow, green and orange and purple motorcycle helmet. And no I am not gay, I just like bright colors.

Well, that's a start

I definitely think that Jpop's imaginary game has raised the bar for Pat Lawlor's imaginary game.

I'm hoping that Eugene Jarvis and Steve Ritchie form their own company and come up with an imaginary game to raise the imaginary bar for everyone.

And as he rode off into the sunset, the first chords of "Purple Rain" could be heard echoing over the roar of his engine ...

You can be gay and like bright colors.

Say what you will, that artwork is incredible.

Ya I know and unlike me really (sort of). But put it this way regarding my comment; id be much happier if I was more wrong than right in this scenario
I'm just scared that I might not be wrong

Sure you can. I however am not

You can buy comic books with similar/better hand drawn art for $3 every day. No one is doubting the art is great, but to raise the bar on anything, this thing has to become a pinball machine.

You can be honest, James. We're all friends here.

If the code is anything like JPops other games the game will have the looks of a Ferrari but putter around with a Fiat engine.... I'll take the company that's actually building games and has Keefer and Ted on software. I don't think JPop is a threat to anyone until he starts shipping games.

Yes please. A game from Ritchie that does not have to be reigned in by Gary Stern would be awesome.

We like it!

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In short, no. MG is not a competitive threat to PLJJP. Pat and his team have been designing and developing the game that will showcase what can be done with an unlicensed title on the JJP platform. I can't imagine anything that JPop could do that would say to the JJP team "oh, we have to switch gears to remain viable", even if MG is released prior to Pat's game, no matter how fantastic MG may be.

Given that almost no one will ever have a chance to own (or even see/play) MG, I don't think what JPOP does with it is going to matter to anyone at JJP or impact Pat's game in any way.

Partially disagree:
Both are working on a pre-order model,
Both of them are on the very expensive side,
and the number of people like me still ready to support pre-order it is shrinking fast.

Most of us have limited $ and/or space so we commit ourselves to a limited number of projects.

Worst if no game is released because that $ is immobilized forever, and non-existing games cannot be resold... meaning the poor pre-buyers for MG, RAZA, Predator are stuck.

Here's another thing. If I wanted to order a game from Jpoop I wouldn't know how. He refuses to answer a phone or a email or anything else. I aint giving anyone any money that I cant speak to. Jack would always answer a phone, text or email. I called Jen and asked for a refund and I got it within a month. Can I do this with Jpoop and this is why I use the term Jpoop.

I'm not sure this is true at all. Has a single "pre-order" effort fallen flat yet?

OK, you got me. Im a lesbian trapped in the body of a man.

Vonnie D ?

Jokes aside, how many "pre-order" efforts have succeeded ?

IPB and JJP? Was BJM a pre order?

Vid, I usually find you to be the voice of reason here... but that is one HELL of an assumption!!!

The whole JPOP thing is a total mess, there is no universe in which it's raising any bars!

Magic Girl costs $16k-$18k right? Thats in range of double the price of a JJP pin. It better be far better then anything JJP has offered at those crazy prices.

Also, why should JJP feel they have to step it up for JJP #3? For $8k WOZ already offers the most value for an available higher priced NIB pin. If stepping it up means even higher prices then I wouldnt want that personally. Also, if JJP wants to continue selling a decent number of pins every year they need to stick within the $6500-$8k range in my opinion.

I don't think any pinball manufacture can stay in business selling pins at $8500, $9k, etc in the long run. Zidware can get away with JMagic Girl at $16k-$18k as so few of them are being made.

I listened to the sounds and call outs on my HD600 headphones and they are great, even considering they had been reduced in quality by being MP3ed.

Other boutique manufacturers have such shrill sounding game sounds that it is actually fatiguing to play (or be near someone playing).

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Then look at that playfield art and the plastics <------- THAT IS HOW IT'S DONE!

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Finally, look at those animations!

They make the other manufacturer's look about as animated as a Hanna Barbara cartoon.

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Now if Jpop can get some software that is up to the quality level of they rest of the game, who is going to be able to clear that bar?

There is no pre-order for Pat's game.

That is JJP's ace in the hole. Keefer is the king in this arena IMHO. I don't see any reasonable threat of unseating him unless Stern unleashes Lyman ... and I would still take Keith.

Pinball is a volatile biz, they could all swap partners in the blink of an eye.

You are all too correct my friend. Still, I don't see Keefer or Lyman being lured into a job with JPop.

If you burned your bridges with Stern and JJP kicks the bucket, where you gonna go?

Plenty of 'other' programming jobs out there other than Pinball, Keith's options are wide open I would think.