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Do you have the right legs on your pin?

By Colsond3

5 years ago


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    #89 4 years ago

    Resurrecting this thread: I have a bunch of WMS games and a pile of legs to match up. I was going by the above guide, and there's some confusion between half rib and full rib from Pinball Resource, Flipper.be and Pinball Life. I think I can muddle through that, but when I start to look at IPDB for most of the WMS System 6 to 11 stuff, I see a ton of black legs, even in some of the flyers. Are all these IPDB pictures wrong, or were black legs sometimes an option. Because I seem to have more black legs than machines. IPDB shows black on games like Pharaoh, Gorgar, EATPM, Rollergames, Firepower, etc.

    #94 4 years ago
    Quoted from Mardi-Gras-Man:

    Williams changed from half to full-rib in the winter from 1989 to 1990. I saw Bad Cats and Whirlwind new out of the box at the distributors with both kind of legs.
    Black legs were only used by Bally (from 1967 until Williams took finally over) and by Atari.
    Most owners do not care what sort of legs their pins have, that's why there are so many 'disturbing' pics in the IPDB.
    Williams never used black legs, and if it seems so in the flyer it must be some sort of refection.
    You can believe me, I was very curious about pinball-legs from early on because it bothered me that so many machines stood either too low or much too high because the operators didn't give a damn to select the original legs, and so it became a sort of hobby to take record of this.
    There are different hints to recognize the legs from different manufancturers immediately - Bally-legs for example have a sharp-edged 90-degree-angle on the lower side, Williams, classic Stern and Atari-legs have a wide round 'angle' and Gottlieb's have a 'smaller and slightly rounded' angle at the lower side (bottom)

    Thanks....Elvira still looks black or at least dark gray in the flyer. It does not look chrome

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    #98 4 years ago
    Quoted from Mardi-Gras-Man:

    Yes of course, it's not an 'absolute' black. But I think when I say 'Black' everyone knows what is meant, and it won't be confusing when it comes to the grey legs from Stern.

    When I wrote "Williams finally took over" I meant that it took a little while before Bally changed to Williams-legs, sorry. Yes, Elvira still used black (or dark-grey) legs of course.

    These are the original Williams-legs, no doubt about it.

    Now I'm really confused? Elvira was never Bally...it was a system 11 wms.

    #101 4 years ago
    Quoted from Colsond3:

    EATPM was originally a Bally game released by Midway, but under the Williams parent corp. The Bally name is present in the upper right backglass and on the speaker panel.

    Ah, thanks for the clarification.

    #114 4 years ago
    Quoted from Colsond3:

    Interesting info. When I started powdercoating a ton of parts on all of my games, I found the gunmetal gray was the closest to the original Bally color. Some of them do appear to be straight black originally though, the legs and the coin door skins. This is what I use in the middle:[quoted image][quoted image][quoted image]

    That looks exactly like my BK I had powder coated Charcoal sparkle gray many years ago.

    #115 4 years ago

    Any idea what a set of black non ribbed 34.5" legs go to? Pic is bottom if that helps identidy

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    #117 4 years ago
    Quoted from Mardi-Gras-Man:

    The sharp-edged bottom indicates this is a Bally-leg.
    These are the rear legs from the short-lived Bally "Banana-cabinet" used for example with ESCAPE FROM THE LOST WORLD.

    Would they go with a Dungeons and Dragons? Also has the same offset cabinet design. Are the front legs the standard 28.5?

    #119 4 years ago
    Quoted from Mardi-Gras-Man:

    Of course. This goes for "Dungeons" and "Blackwater" too. And the front-legs are "standard" 28.5'ers.

    Great thank you....I only have the one Bally game (D&D) in the lot of games I bought but I had a set of the grey Bally legs too, that I had initially allocated to D&D. Wonder if the grey ones are actually for the EATPM. I know one thing, I have way more black legs than games for them...I assume over the years it was common for operators to paint them.

    #121 4 years ago
    Quoted from Mardi-Gras-Man:

    As mentioned before, ELVIRA also got "black" legs but those were actually ribbed Williams legs, painted (with a "rounded" bottom)
    Here in Germany it's the same - you'll find thousands of the Bally-legs, most operators kept the legs in store after shreddering the machines. Remember, in 77 and 78 Bally kinda outsold the other manufacturers and there are thousands of legs left.

    Is there a pictorial that shows what you or someone described earlier about the shape of the bottom of the leg being an identifier. Might be helpful. I've sorted out the ribbed wms vs half ribbed wms. Now the 34.5 oddball from your help.

    There are still a few that are ribless but have what I would call a center spine rib or rounded bulge...and some that are completely flat with no spine bulge at all. All are 28.5, and are black.

    #124 4 years ago

    The first one is actually shorter...27", so a gottlieb?

    The second one I'm guessing wms just painted hammertone?

    The third and fourth ones, Bally, but the third one has a distinct hump in the spine and the fourth one is matte black and has no hump, just a smooth corner.

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    #126 4 years ago

    Thanks! Funny, only 1 Bally in the games I bought and I have at least 4 sets of Bally legs.

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