My God, people are so polar. "Vaccines" are not a scientific monolith. The polio vaccine's efficacy is functionally 100%. It is a vaccine. The typical efficacy of flu vaccines, even as reported by those who strongly advocate their use, is around 40-60%, sometimes dipping into the teens.

That's firmly in placebo range.

A warning bell for a-critical rhetorical bullshit goes off in my head when I see moon child hippies with mud drenched sandal clad feet flip flopping along in ideological lock step with fringe conspiracy theorists and young Earth creationists. It's like a bunch of unsightly shit slinging monkeys throwing claims of science denial at each other.

Do I and my family vaccinate? Yes, absolutely. And no, of course not.

Is that supposed to be a zinger? Placebo efficacy in double blind clinical trials can be in the 70%+ range. Drug effect in many areas shrinks to single digits when properly controlled.

So yes, 40-60% is EASILY in placebo range. And the teens, which I'll point out immediately precede that claim, should require no imagination on your part at all. Look at homeopathy. It has this kind of efficacy and is a "science" based ENTIRELY on placebos.

Read up on psychiatric medication if you want to see placebos in full force (as in 70% of reported efficacy vanishing when controlled properly). Flu vaccine efficacies are often vanishingly small, we haven't got a good handle on what we may be doing to the evolution of the germs themselves, and the precedent / growing sentiment of and for business and governments mandating their injection into your body is completely fucking dystopian.

There is a marked difference between the reliable and verifiable inoculation from previously deadly diseases and the, "Hey, this might work!" gun slinging of yearly flu vaccines.