Yes, because having the flu sucks and while I'm healthy now and it likely wouldn't kill me, I might infect someone elderly or in bad health that could die from it. Sometimes the shots don't match up well but there's really not any good reasons for people not to get them. Even if you don't have insurance they are $10 and can be gotten at almost any pharmacy with only a few minutes wait.

The amount of absolute nonsense that people believe in this country is scary. 99% of things online are nothing but propaganda with absolutely no medical evidence or it is based off completely biased medical studies used to manipulate you.

It's sort of like the antibiotic free chicken, non GMO products, grain free dog food, and so on and so on. All of these things are nothing but sales tactics and people that buy into them truly have zero clue how the USDA works or how your food is grown. It's scary how easily people are manipulated based on anything they see on TV or read on facebook. Yes there are dogs that are allergic to grains, yes there are people with medical conditions that require certain diets, but the average pet or person does not fall into any of these catagories.

There are literally cases of measles in this country now, lots of them in fact. People are incredibly stupid.

The injectable one is a killed vaccine, you cannot get the flu from it.

There is literally nothing accurate in this statement.

Once again nothing in this statement is correct. Some vaccines can contain up to 25mcg of thiemosol. Thiemosol is not used in vaccines for children under 6 for the most part in USA, Canada, and almost all of Europe. Thiemosol used to be a vital part of vaccines as it is a strong antifungal and antiseptic agent and it protected the vaccines and prevented staph infections from the vaccines. It is also never been proven to case any secondary side affects in adults or children from vaccines. I'm not sure were you are getting your info but it's completely incorrect. Thiemosol was removed from routine children vaccines because of the concerns on mercury side affects even though nothing was ever proven. It was purely precautionary. People like you that spread scientifically incorrect information as facts are extremely dangerous.

Everything is toxic to the human body. It's a simple matter of how much creates and actual issue. The vast majority of things in your kitchen are toxic to you. You can have whatever views on vaccines that you want. People will believe whatever biased media nonsense that they want. Don't vaccinate yourself or your kids. Just don't whine or run up healthcare costs when you have an issue. Sit at home and die like a man like O-din is.

There's mercury in your food also, and in your soil, and in your water, and in your air. Better stop eating, drinking, and breathing.

Maybe it's because Dr's know more about medicine then you? Maybe they have also seen their patients die of the Flu and do not want to see that happen again. Or maybe you are the medical expert. If you do not trust your Dr. then you need to find a new one. Vaccines are not perfect but they have saved millions of lives. There can be reactions to them but the positives outweigh the negatives a million fold. If you are not willing to open your eyes to that then I do not know what to tell you. Dr's prescribe poison to patients every day. It's because that poison will keep that patient alive longer or gives them a chance at a longer, healthier life.

I think you may be reading too much into that. Most larger employers now offer flu vaccination onsite free of charge on a certain day for your employees. They are trying to prevent half the staff being out and crippling the business. Why wouldn't he get a flu shot when its free, a perk of working their, and he doesn't even have to leave work to get it. I'd say that is smart on the employers part and on his part.

Nor do you need too. Your a good dude and agreeing makes the world boring

But I don't think it's fair to act like someone is an idiot for getting a free convenient flu shot from their employer. We all know how people are and if something is mildly difficult people will just skip it. It's smart for employers to give their employees this option as it makes it a very easy decision for them. If they want a flu shot they can get it and not have to do anything extra. If they do not want it they don't have to take it.

Adults can make their own choices. Unfortunately adults are also making the choices for their children and there should be standards set so the public health concerns are not created by people with good intentions that just did not make the right choice.

Has this been a real issue in your life? I've never had anyone tell me to not get a flu shot and the only people that have ever told me to get one is my mom and my general care Dr.

Is there water at the bottom and does it look like fun? Those are the real questions that need to be answered.

Not wise but it's your life. Yearly screening with full blood panels are key to catching things early and adding years to your life in many cases. Most insurance covers it and it's foolish not to do. Pinside will be boring in a few years if you don't start taking better care of yourself.

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/rip-derron-johns-of-fl/page/2#post-4256976

Unfortunately passed away.

You forgot to mention the massive amount of human die off that occurs to build this natural immunity. Sure, why no go back to huge amounts of the population dying off from illness that can be prevented. People are always OK with this until it actually affects them.

Just like in every profession there is a range from outstanding to poor. If you truly feel this way about your doctor you need to find another one. There are tons of excellent ones that are passionate about healthcare that continue to work and learn and actually want to help you.

There are lots of places in the world that are still living this natural approach dream that some of you seem to want. You can always go check them out and see for yourself how it's working.

One thing I've noticed about people is that they do not believe in science or medicine and they avoid it like the plague until they have to have it and then expect everyone drop everything and use science to save their ass.

This one is the funniest of all to me. A sick women can work a sick man into the ground. Men are all the biggest babies in the world when they are sick. I'm not sure what's different or why but a sick women seems to still function while a sick man does nothing but lay in bed and whine.

Most of these real men that you speak of are the same tough guys crying for medical help and trying to find Jesus when their time comes.

I've never experienced this. Perhaps I'm not whipped or maybe my woman is not well?

Not if you are a manly man....

I sincerely doubt that and if they did they certainly were not educated on tetanus.

I picture you after a few beers out in your yard arguing with a fence post that untreated fence posts last better the treated ones.

Is he ever not trolling?

I've stated over and over that I could care less if you take vaccines or not. Your health is not my problem. You like to take different view points and troll as much as possible though. It's usually pretty funny and no one takes it very serious. Maybe troll is not the correct term, maybe pot stirrer is more accurate.

People can have whatever views they want. His are often intentionally opposite just too stir the pot though. It's all in good fun, O-din is usually pretty funny.

Not sure if this is directed at me or not as I haven't called anyone a moron but if it is I'm 5'10 and 165lbs and am not fat. I know odds were in your favor with this being a pinball forum though.

Nothing a few California street tacos can't fix.

Studies have shown that getting hepatitis is great for you.

Liar, you got yours from Kidd Rock who got his from Pamela Anderson.

Every business has to make money to stay open. So avoiding your doctor because he gets paid to go to work makes zero sense.

I'm with you on the cost of medical care. It's rediculous. My wife and I own a veterinary practice and use mostly the exact same equipment and in many cases the same surgical techniques. It would have been about $600-800 if she was a dog or cat instead of a human. You would have probably felt a lot better about the care from us also as our business depends on excellent service and trust to succeed.

Rediculous, if a dog comes in the owner knows the exact price of the exam ($42) and the then gets a quote for whatever treatment is needed. It's sad that dogs get treated better then humans and that I can make decent money doing the same things better in many cases for 1/50th the cost of human medicine.

And that's why insurance skyrockets every year.

The big difference is a veterinarian is providing a service that people have to be able to afford or they simply will decline it. Veterinarians often come out of school with higher debt then human doctors and they have to actually fix multiple species and are a general care doctor, surgeon, emergency doctor, etc all in one. If you can't help the patient and provide affordable options the client will just not come back. If that happens enough times you go out of business. There is zero accountability in the US on the human medical side. You can't just blow people off or pass them on to a specialist in veterinary medicine. People for the most part cannot afford that so you either help them or loose the client. That certainly motivates you a lot more to try harder and do the right thing.

Sad part of all of that even if they Dr wanted to stick it to you and charge $200 for the exam, then you have $20 for a blood draw, the staff test is $78 (the same companies do human and veterinary lab testing) so they double it to $156. Penicillin injection for your size would be about $24 cost so say $75 with Mark up. So you would closer to $445 and they should make around 50% profit at that crazy inflated price.

The "Elite" don't get em, and zombie apocalypses from Will Smith movies?

That's really the best that you two could come up with? I heard that the government is putting mind control agents in your tap water. Better drink straight from the creek to avoid it.

You know what they say, there's someone for everyone. And if not you can always pay to play.

No doubt that vaccines can cause reactions or set off a chain of events that results in death. It is extremely rare in healthy people that have not had vaccine reaction issues in the past though. People have to decide for themselves if the good outweighs the bad. You are currently about 1200x more likely to die from the Flu then from the vaccine though.

The effectiveness of the vaccine is different every year, I don't think anyone would argue that. Some years it's not very effective at all while others it's extremely effective. You would need 20 years or so of data to get a real average that would mean a lot.

There used to be more wolves but several died from preventable diseases. Those 2 laying down are probably stricken with polio.

I'm especially confused because I thought herds were good for the immune system?

No clue were this gets it's data or how accurate it is but it appears to have been a leading cause of death at that time as well.
http://cowboytocowboy.com/wordpress/2012/03/12/477/

Nothing but 100% scientific facts on that page. It's on the internet after all so it must be true.

If your going to post shit try to make sure it is at least close to the truth.

Most flu shots are currently given from single dose vials. Only multi does vials use thimerosal which is a ethyl mercury based preservative. So if you don't want any thimerosal just call around and make sure the place you go uses single dose vials. Those getting a shot from a multi dose vails containing thimerosal should also know that it contains about 25 micrograms per dose. I'd have to go back and look at some studies but I believe one can of tuna fish on average has about 30 micrograms of mercury in it.

What's funny about people that say things like this is that they are the first in line screaming for medicine to save them when something really is wrong.

"Dr's are quacks that are just guessing"
"I'm sorry to tell you , but you have cancer"
"You gotta save me doc"

How many people think that O-din would be adamantly fighting for flu shots if everyone else was against them?

I think you missed the point. You pretty much take the opposite stance on everything because it amuses you and I'll even admit at times it's funny.

I dont think anyone here really cares if you get a flu shot or not. No one is telling you what to do. They are just starting their opinions just like you are.

Sure O-din, you dont enjoy being the opposite pot stirrer.

I have no issue with it, but at least own it.

They really dont, it's just a discussion with opinions no different then someone that thinks bm66 is great and someone who thinks it sucks.

This thread could be used as further evidence that this country has a major mental health crisis.

This is a rediculous statement. You dont have fear of these diseases because vaccines largely eradicated them. Live in a time when they were real threats and you would have been pushing down children and old people to get the vaccines. Stances like this only ensure history repeats itself.

So were did measles go? You cant really be that dense. The only reason they haven't came back is due to most of the population being vaccinated. Other people are currently protecting you. As more people decide vaccines are the devil your protection blanket is going to turn into a Kleenex. And yes many sectors of the military and healthcare absolutely require certain vaccines. They are not optional depending on what sector you are working in.

If you think the majority of people are not vaccinated in the usa I'm not sure what to tell you. The people on hear were only talking about annual flu shots.

Each year as more people believe vaccines are the devil those odds greatly change. The only reason your odds are low is due to vaccines. We should just stop vaccinating everyone and everything for everything since apparentlythe risk outway the rewards and those diseases were going away anyway as you say. I'll be fine, you non vaccinators can figure it out without using vaccines at that point. You will likely be fine also since you most likely have had vaccines as well. Its kids of the antivaccine folks that are screwed.

Why didnt they just power through it with a mild fever like madtown would?

This is a really sad story, the saddest part is it was completely preventable with proper access to vaccines.

While you may be unwillingly relying on it you are still benefiting from it. Your last statement is all anyone really needs to read and is really telling. Its the equivalent of me saying Im glad 70 children died in Samoa so that people will now understand that importance of some vaccines. Well, not exactly the equivalent. I guess if I said I wished half the island died instead of just 70 it would be more equivalent....

Its hilarious when someone says they refuse all vaccines but then in turn preach about people taking account for their own healthcare. Its like bizarro world.

That's some strange logic. You literally use and enjoy science almost every second of your life. You are using it to screw around on pinside right now. But in the next breath it's nothing but warfare and murder.

I never said any of those things. There are always people that want to exploit things and make a weapon out of everything. In general though, science has enhanced, extended, and made safer the majority of lives (much like those dick pills minus the safer part). The victims of biological warfare probably don't care to hear that though.

I don't really care if any of you get the flu shot. Do what ever you want, just be responsible and stay home and away from people at high risk if you do get sick. There are too many dumb asses walking around coughing all over everything. Children should receive certain vaccinations in my opinion or they shouldn't be allowed to attend public school. Privately owned schools should have policies that fit whatever their own beliefs. If anyone is arguing against the success in general of vaccines they are viewing a very alternate history that is warped to meet their own desires.

This year I went to publixs for my shot, my insurance covered it and they gave me a $10 publix gift card for groceries. So now I'm $10 richer and less likely to get the flu. I also take my grandmother to radiation treatments at least every other week so I would consider it incredibly reckless and irresponsible not to have one this flu season.

That must mean that flu vaccinations don't work.....

Everyone knows intelligent people that say and do some of the dumbest stuff ever. I know an extremely successful surgeon that no kidding, goes on a trip every year looking for proof of bigfoot.

They are every bit as intelligent as the ones that claim the flu shot gave them the flu.

They can definitely make your arm hurt. I've had them be sore for a few days or not at all. Not sure what causes the difference.

Not really. It most cases the shot worked perfectly and they never contracted the strain of flu that they were vaccinated for. Some people are dead serious about thinking the flu shot gave them the flu though.

Single dose flu vaccines have not contained Thimerosal for almost a couple of decades now. Please stop spreading lies and nonsense, I know that is essentially what pinside is, but lets not apply pinside logic to medical care.

It certainly is a lie and nonsense when you imply that all flu vaccines contain thimerasol, which you did. Flu vaccines in the united states are pretty much all shipped single dose anymore. I haven't seen a tank used for flu vaccines in close to 25 years. If that is a concern all you have to do is ask the provider and they will show you the vial your vaccine in drawn from. That is a pretty easy concern to get around. Thimerasol has also never been proven to cause any health issues at the concentration it used to be used in flu vaccines . The amount of formaldehyde is also well below any human threshold. You will encounter higher formaldehyde levels in most new construction homes. If you don't want to get a flu shot that is fine, I could care less. Just don't spread misinformation that is largely made up to panic people to justify your reason for not getting one. Plus if thimersol and formaldehyde was so risky the last people getting it should be the elderly, chemo patients, etc. Flu shots are not required, you don't have to have any reason to not get one, there's no reason to use false information to justify your decision.