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Ha! I’ll help stir. I get flu shots, believe in climate change (to a certain degree) but have major doubts humans have as much to do with it as some think we do. We are a very egocentric species...center of the universe...nope, center of the solar system...nope. I think Mother Nature has her own powers that are much bigger than ours.
Quoted from manadams:People avoid the shot because of possible legitimate side effects and ineffective results at times. Protecting your own health is not being selfish.
If it’s not your loved ones... maybe...or maybe not. Like I said, selfish.
Quoted from o-din:You get a flu shot and a two week supply of antibiotics! Saves you from making two trips to the doctor. Just a joke people!
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I am going to make a serious apology for the earlier post.
People who do have health problems is no laughing matter. That hit me hard after reading what Rolf has gone thru on the EM part of this forum. It is easy for healthy people to go thru the day without a care in the world, but when you do get ill, especially really ill, it can be a chore to not only make it thru the day, but just face each day with a positive attitude or face each day at all.
I have been there, so I do know. I won't get into details, but it was a long drawn out thing no doctor could figure out that finally turned out to be caused by an unnecessary procedure I had when I was a child. Took away several of the best years of my life and most of what I had earned up until then to pay them to somewhat fix it so I could get functional again. It or myself will never be 100%. Damage was done too many years ago.
Anyway, maybe that can help explain my disdain for going to doctors and why I take offense when somebody tells me to get any procedure I don't need. I keep myself alive and healthy as best I can from what I learned during my ordeal, because if I don't, nobody else will. And reality is that is true for anyone and everybody.
I strongly believe in influenza vaccinations, but respect o-din for what he has gone though, and his perspective on things. Thanks for the insight. An open mind...no matter your stance, can help understand why others do what they do.
Quoted from o-din:The real question is will they ever require doctors to do blood work or some other kind of test before
handing out antibiotics like candy each time a patient shows up with the flu or a common cold.
Not to sure they will require it, but there is a blood test to help determine viral from bacterial...although it’s really used to determine major bacterial infection (sepsis, etc) vs viral. I’d love a quick test to prove viral or bacterial. Unnecessary antibiotics will eventually cause untreatable bacterial (they already are here). If you have one of those, there is nothing to do but supportive care, and hope your body fights it off. The medical industry is only a part of the problem. Live stock/veterinary use is another huge part.
Not sure who is nastier. The narc seeker who is denied, or the person with a viral illness who is denied antibiotics.
Quoted from o-din:Sometimes you might hear the excuse "you have the flu, but we are prescribing antibiotics to fight off any secondary infection", again testing for neither.
But, from what I understand, that is pretty common practice in today's medical profession.
Sometimes this is valid, depending on the persons other medical problems...if it is believed that a potential bacterial infection is high, and could cause the person major harm or possible death.
Quoted from o-din:Sometimes maybe. But it seems to be a story that gets told over and over again.
These guys probably get too busy during flu season with people lining up at their doors to do any more than treat patients with the same symptoms like customers at a McDonalds drive thru.
"You want those antibiotics to go? Here's a few sample packs I have lying around"
I don’t deny that that happens. The test between bacterial vs viral would be a great answer. Hasn’t been perfected yet, but there is stuff in the works.
Quoted from o-din:Lab work. They can tell what is a virus or bacteria there. It was perfected a long time ago. But nope, too busy, and too much work.
Please tell me the name of the test. I’ve been a PA for 20 years and if really exists, I’d love to use it.
Quoted from o-din:I'm no doctor or lab tech, but it seems every time there is a flu, they can identify it. They even show pictures of it under the microscope. Same with bacteria. I could be wrong though and maybe it's just a big show to amuse the public.
Identifying a bacteria or virus can take a significant amount of time (days or longer). The tests are getting quicker and more accurate, but they aren’t there yet. Believe me, I’d love a quick test to show the patient that antibiotics aren’t needed, or to guide my care for them to be more accurate. Until then, I rely on the tools available and my knowledge.
Quoted from o-din:Who says we go to doctors or get the illness? And any medication is self prescribed.
Fair enough...but there are those who still run to the doctor when they don’t feel good when they believe they have...”the flu”...just saying. I do respect those that stand by their convictions.
Quoted from erak:My Drs and multiple specialists advised me that I should never, ever get a flu shot.
Because according to them the risks to my health are just too high. One of the benefits of with living with MS.
Interesting. I too have MS (20 years) and have never been told or read any studies that support this.
Quoted from erak:Are you on MS modifying prescription drugs?
If so, yes they say it is fine as far as they know. But they also say stay away from vaccines during a relapse. And all live virus vaccines. And consult specialists if on certain MS meds. And avoid being around family members that have had live virus vaccines.
As you know, MS flairs up when your immune system kicks in.
MS is your immune system attacking normal mylen which is on every nerve in your body. It doesn't happen in people except for MS which is a compromised immune system.
If you actually take the time to read all the negative stuff regarding MS in actual Gov sites. All they say is vaccines don't cause MS. But have multiple warnings about taking them after being diognosed. Or while on certain MS meds.
I am MS drug free and have been modifying the disease with diet alone. Symptom free for over a year now.
With no relapses and a huge improvement with my mobility etc.
No: Gluten, dairy, soy, legumes,nuts,nightshades. Reduced salt and sugar. Aspartame is a 100% NO!
It's super strict. And I've lost 100 lbs. But it works.
http://mshope.com/
https://www.nationalmssociety.org/Living-Well-With-MS/Diet-Exercise-Healthy-Behaviors/Vaccinations
I’m glad your doing well. I have minimal symptoms. Last relapse was years ago. I’m on the immune modifying drug tecfidera. I do worry about being on long term meds that mess with my immune system....very common to end in bad things like lymphoma...but that’s years down the road. Bottom line, no one knows what causes MS. There are tons of theories being studied, but it’s still unknown. It’s not really a compromised immune system, it’s an immune system that has been triggered to attack the myelin in your CNS. Yes, live virus vaccines carry risk, but they are attenuated (dumbed down...not as strong) as the full disease. The influenza vaccine is a killed virus...impossible to give you influenza (some may have a slight immune response and get achy, but it’s not influenza...no matter what coincidental illness you may get). The only influenza vaccine that isn’t killed is flumist (in the US), the spray up your nose. Cutting out certain chemicals/foods and healthy living is a good idea. Myself, I don’t get enough sleep, have an average diet (but don’t restrict anything in particular), don’t exercise enough, sit in hot tubs, drink alcohol...etc. my neurologist thinks I’m a rock star with how well I’m doing. He says that whatever I’m doing...keep doing it. Bottom line, do what works for you...keep living, don’t hold back or think “I can’t” because I have MS. It’s an exciting time for people with MS...there are more drugs than ever before...but no one still knows why or how to really stop it. Sorry to this thread for hi-jacking it...
Quoted from zr11990:What happened to the modified olive oil that was the basis for the movie Lorenzo’s oil. Wasn’t that for MS? I remember it did something to heal the myelin sheath around the nerves.
Haven’t heard about this...will look it up. My guess is, if it really worked, People with MS would be taking it and doing better. That said, I do believe that the oceans and rainforests hold answers beyond our imagination...
If you think the government plans to control us through vaccines...I challenge you to travel where they aren’t available...and ask the general population what they think. If you don’t plan to travel there...don’t respond. I suspect there’re won’t be any responses. Otherwise, provide your travel itinerary.
Quoted from SadSack:I'm assuming you mean where they don't have running water, proper hygiene and proper food handling? Yes, disease runs rampant in places like that. That doesn't prove your point at all.
BTW, they don't plan on controlling you. They plan on KILLING you. Only after a long and expensive treatment.
Oofta, tin hat anyone.
Quoted from DRDAVE:But they DO complain. I know some of them. They would rather wear the surgical mask every day to work than take the shot concoction full of who knows what. Ever read the insert for the shot? Please do so before getting stuck with it.
Can you list the ingredients that concern you and how they are harmful to you in those concentrations? I do agree with you that education is the key.
Quoted from SadSack:If you haven't read the actual "Vaccine Insert" that comes in the box with the vial, you don't have a leg to stand on. It says:
A. It is ineffective and
B. It has side effects.
These are the two lies perpetrated by all OTHER documentation you may have seen.
Go to walgreens and ask for it. It's tiny print, not the single page.
Can you provide the paragraph that had “it is ineffective”, so we can take it in contex. Also, water has “side effects”, heck, death is one of them...
Quoted from SadSack:I just told you where to find it for yourself. That's what I did years ago. It tells how effective it is and I don't remember the number, but its nowhere near 100%, ergo, it is ineffective.
Nothing with the human body is 100%...and if your going to put out there “facts”, then you better be ready to back them up.
Quoted from SadSack:Some people are 100% sure they have a bad reaction to it. Do you deny this as well? Is a bad reaction "safe"? Again, have you reviewed the NVIC fund payouts or are you a parrot?
I see. Believe what you want. I will believe what I want. No animosity. I will accept my consequences and you will accept yours. There is no fight anymore.
Quoted from Chicoman:You are hilarious! Show me one! ONE DOUBLE BLIND PLACEBO CONTROLLED STUDY of the efficacy of any vaccines! THERE ARE NONE! You know how much education doctors get on vaccines? They get a sheet of paper that says here's the vaccines and this is when you typically give them to children. That's it! NO EDUCATION AT ALL. They are just told....oh vaccines yes everyone needs them and everyone should get them! HAVE A NICE DAY!
Vaccines are dangerous! Every vaccine not only contains mercury but Nagalase an enzyme that basically shuts your immune system off so your body will produce anti-bodies from the vaccine. In every cancer patient Nagalase levels in their blood is off the charts!
Also vaccines create anti-bodies by mutating with a person's DNA. Cancer is caused by MUTATION! There is nothing worse you can do than put a vaccine in your system.
I felt this was a well written rebuttal.
http://www.skepticalob.com/2009/10/latest-argument-of-vaccine.html
Quoted from o-din:I love all those other medications where they list a super long grocery list of warnings including "perhaps even death" and people still want to take it.
Well, if water came with a warning list...death would be one.
Quoted from madtown:I wouldnt get an ebola vaccine either. If they came up with an ebola vaccine would you get it? Why is it a silly statement? If the incidence is low and the outcomes are good, it is in fact not danerous. Not worth risking a vaccine injury.
I didn’t realize the outcome of Ebola was good. 
Quoted from madtown:When vaccines are 100% safe AND effective... i will take them but they are not, nor will they ever be....so in this specific case, i am willing to risk nothing to help others...ironic considering i work in the healthcare field and put my life at risk to help others.
Work for Drs without borders. Travel to where these diseases are endemic...you won’t...for any various reasons, but you won’t. There is no rebuttal...you just won’t.
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