36,000 people die each year from flu with 200,000 hospitalizations. The shot is NOT a live virus so you can’t get the flu from it. Anyone who still refuses to get the flu shot with all the knowledge we have today about vaccination effectiveness and safety is clueless. But heck, who am I to argue with Darwin. Take them out of the gene pool.

You’re playing Russian roulette. I think people who refuse the flu shot, who then get the flu, should be quarantined at home. No hospitalization. No use of medical resources. They made their choice. Let them live or die on their own. Maybe they can try some home remedies or homeopathic drops.

I haven’t read the entire thread. I take it you’re an antivaxxer?

The flu shot doesn’t cause the flu. You are clearly too stupid to benefit from facts. Stick with Jenny McCarthy. She’s a celebrity playmate expert on the subject.

Here is some good advice, but you probably won’t understand it.

Shot does not/cannot cause the flu. Maybe get a degree in medicine/immunology and then you can opine an informed opinion. Instead you parrot notorious Mercola and other Bogus sites.

Blocked. I’m intolerant of stupid.

Except smokers (and example - people who ride motorcycles without helmets) are a harm only (mainly) to themselves. When you get the flu, you likely spread it to others. Now your misery or death can be shared with unwitting victims.

Sure. And what about people with compromised immune systems, on chemo, who have cancer. The flu shot may have provided them with some minimal protection, but some a-hole sneezes near them and they get a huge viral load? They are going to die. It is selfish not to contribute to herd immunity.

Did he get the shot just a few days before exposure? Not enough time to develop immunity. Was it a flu subtype that the vaccine did not cover? There are many different antigenic variations of the flu and the W.H.O. tries to predict/cover the most common ones.
Was he subjected to a large viral load? If you start off with 100 infecting virus units you can mount a defense. If you are hit with a 100 million virus units your body has less time to mount a defense.
One thing that is for certain. The flu shot does not cause the flu.

Why am I passionate about this? I have seen too many young people, in the prime of life, needlessly die from this stupid, easily prevented virus. The virus is the perfect pathogen. It is highly contagious, has broad antigenic variability and certain strains can have 50% or higher lethality. It can also be (more) easily weaponized than other biological agents. Read about the 1918 pandemic. That was only a 10% mortality rate. https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/1918-pandemic-h1n1.html

Subtype H5N1 case fatality rate could be as high as 60%!, but probably more in the 25-35% range. If that variant ever gets traction, you better pray they even have an immunization that covers it!

The incidence of Guillain-Barré after a flu shot is extremely rare. About .000001% https://www.cdc.gov/flu/prevent/guillainbarre.htm mild, residual symptoms can persist, but in the majority of cases there is complete recovery.
Btw, Guillain-Barré is an absolute risk factor from getting the flu. The risk of GB is much higher if you contract influenza vs just getting the flu shot. People need to speak from knowledge or expertise in the matter, not from ignorance.

Are you a happy person? They say ignorance is bliss.

You’re right of course. You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make him drink.

How about this compromise? People who refuse immunizations, fine. But that person should sign a legal, enforceable contract agreeing to stay home if they contract the disease. They should agree not to go out in public and subject others to their ‘infectivity’. And most importantly, they and their family should accept full responsibility for their decision. That means not going to the hospital if they take a turn for the worse. Not using up medical resources to treat a disease that they should not have gotten in the first place had they acted responsibly.
If they die, that was their decision. They should die at home, not at some hospital, hooked up to a ventilator and life support. Not after accruing hundreds of thousands of dollars in hospital bills that I, as a taxpayer, have to pay for.

Seems fair enough. Man up and take responsibility for your actions.

Sure. Set up a fund to cover the extremely rare vaccine related complications. Although, how often can you know for certain that a complication occurred because of the vaccine. You can speculate but cause/effect is tough to prove.

Would the antivaxxers be willing to suck it up and stay at home no matter how sick they become? I think not.

You sure that is generically modified? I thought they only used brand name modified corn crops.

I support imprisoning you!?! Where did that come from? Magical thinking I guess.

You are joking, right?

Nah, R0 (R nought) value for Ebola is less than 2. Now measles on the other hand. It has an R0 of 18!

Now you want to talk lethality... Anthrax, prion diseases (like Kuru) and Naeglaria are much deadlier than Ebola.

Yes, we are all members of the Illuminati AND the CIA!

You will be the first we put into a re-education camp. We know who u r Chad. The Illuminati know all.

He had some immunity from the shot, but probably got a very high viral load. He very well could have been one of the ones who would die from the flu if not for partial immunity. The CDC publishes that the shot does not provide complete protection. In some 20% of people they can go on to get a mild case of the flu.

I’m glad you didn’t end up a statistic.

Just like guns don’t kill people, bullets do.

Here’s an analogy the antivaxxers might understand. Assume you have a revolver with 20 chambers. If you get the flu shot, then you play Russian roulette with only 1 round chambered. If you don’t get the flu shot you play with 10 rounds chambered.

How about flu shot complications? Same game. Now assume a revolver with 1,000,000 chambers. You load one chamber and then play Russian roulette. Do the math. It’s pretty straightforward.

Btw, I get the flu shot every year. Have done so for 40 years. Last time I had the flu was as a child. But I’m sure the flu shot has altered my brain. It has clearly made me less tolerant of ignorance.