Speak for yourself!

I used to like Jim Carrey until he came out and said he was against vaccinations. Now Im like jeez.. what a moron

And a well woman can nag a whipped man into the ground.

You sound very defensive of your beliefs there.

I wonder how many that choose not to get vaccines call those that do morons or even sheep for that matter..

No offense to anyone here but with that being said - they are morons for not getting vaccinated for Diphtheria, Tetanus, Pertussis (aka Whooping Cough), Hib (Haemophilus influenzae type b), Hepatitis B, Polio, and Pneumococcal Disease.

I've never experienced this. Perhaps I'm not whipped or maybe my woman is not well?

So how often should one get a tetanus vaccination? Whenever they step on a rusty nail, every 10 years, or once?

If it is anything but once, I guess I am a moron and all those times I got cut by rusty auto parts in the 30 years I worked on them are sure to do me in eventually.

Drugs/medication are a completely different area of medicine than vaccinations.

Are you saying vaccinations are overused?

Every 10 years:

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/dtap-tdap-td/public/index.html

You do understand that those researchers see no difference, right? That this is entirely an interpolation of erroneous data on your part, which this study neither addresses or affirms, right?
This study doesn't say anything that would help your case. If anything, it hurts it, since it implies that a cocktail of different early vaccinations will provide a certain level of lifelong immune responses that are more broadly efficacious.

Yeah, and you have to get vaccinations to go visit them safely.

you have natural herd immunity and possibly wayout antitetanus naturalification blood.

Also, like, my cousins sisters boyfriend totally drowned in car that plunged off a bridge in 1978 because he was wearing a seatbelt therefore seat belts never saved another life.

Not if you are a manly man....

Then I'm living proof it's a bunch of BS. I eat rust for breakfast and my jaw works just fine chewing the stuff up.

Like them saying after you cut yourself with something rusty a vaccination will do you any good. lol.

Another shot and another bill. Keep those greenbacks coming people, in the name of science.

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Whoa whoa calm down...no one called you a moron. You're just a guy that thinks rust gives you tetanus that's all.

I mean hey you can quote song lyrics online...that's pretty intelligent

That's what the educated men of science told me.

Honest question here:

If I don't get the flu vaccine, and am a "carrier " exhibiting no signs, wouldn't my body already be doing what the vaccine would do - producing antibodies etc?

I'm not certain how getting the vaccine helps others if I'm a carrier.

Not all rust contains tetanus. Minor cuts or surface abrasions from objects that are otherwise relatively clean probably won't harm you, as long as you clean the wound.

Getting deeply jabbed or deeply cut by a rusty object that's been sitting in soil may expose you to tetanus.

https://www.cdc.gov/tetanus/about/causes-transmission.html

I sincerely doubt that and if they did they certainly were not educated on tetanus.

That's all I need to know. Some got it and some don't. Some take shots and some don't. Some need lots of medical care, and some don't. Some will only survive living in a bubble, and some won't.

Proves to me we all don't need the same treatments. And there is no reason in my mind that we should.

It was the guy giving the shot when I stuck a nail thru my finger.

If you can't trust his advice and judgement, then who's can you?

Covered better in next post

There's an infinite amount of variables that you cant exactly see all the outcomes. Just because you dont get sick and never had a vaccine doesn't mean your immune to the above. If someone told me that there are decades of scientific research behind a vaccine that can reduce or eliminate the chance of getting sick then wouldn't you take those better odds? There's a reason we've nearly eliminated these diseases. Again, off topic again.

My take is that I respect everyone's right to have and express an opinion. Doesn't mean I have to respect the opinion itself, or understand how a sentient organism could hold it. That said, calling people on the other side of the debate morons isn't friendly or productive, even if it's objectively defensible in some cases. So my use of the word "moron" many pages back was probably out of line.

A more helpful word for the anti-vaccine crowd is "people." Subject to group-think, confirmation bias and the Dunning-Kruger effect like the rest of us. We're all sadly ill-equipped to make consistently good decisions in this modern world. Doesn't mean its unreasonable to point out when people make bad choices, but a little compassion is probably in order.

There's more tetanus info on the pamphlet at this link (trigger warning, this appears to be from the Immunization Action Coalition, so don't click if you're allergic):
www.immunize.org/catg.d/p4220.pdf

A few interesting points:
- It's the cow shit on that old nail you need to worry about, not the rust (despite what they told you in school)
- 500 annual cases a year in the pre-vaccine days down to 30 a year today. 10% of cases are fatal
- Most cases are in those with no vaccine or lapsed vaccine (more than 10 years)
- There's still benefit to getting the vaccine after you're exposed.

I picture you after a few beers out in your yard arguing with a fence post that untreated fence posts last better the treated ones.

Didn't you see his Lee Marvin post above? o-din has pickled his body with booze and it's now an inhospitable environment for life.

Well that's not what the guy at WalMart shooting him up with a tracking chip said.

I know you are trolling now, come on man. Might as well say "I'm not hungry, therefore hunger doesn't exist."

If you read the actual report in full, I don't think you'll take away what the author of the blog post you linked concludes. The full text of the study is here:: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5134739/ If you search that page for the words "vaccine" or "vaccination" you'll see that the authors make no such claim about effectiveness about "natural" or "unnatural" immunity, and their models show the both possibilities: that vaccination does provide appropriate imprinting or does not, because they do not know.

Any conclusion other than the one they pose, " we show that an individual’s first IAV infection confers lifelong protection against severe disease from novel hemagglutinin (HA) subtypes in the same phylogenetic group" is a misuse of the data.

Is he ever not trolling?

I got all my childhood vaccines and that one scar on my arm itches once in a while. Seems back then they did a dip n stick procedure one kid after another.

But beside that one tetanus shot I have never had any more.

No way. Copper is a great wood preservative, but I don't drink the stuff or wear those socks for that matter. That I believe is a subject for a whole nuther thread.

Trolling.. the ultimate response to somebody who has a different point of view when you have exhausted all other illogical attempts to sway them.

Ha! Ha Ha!

If I could down vote this x100, I would.

I challenge anyone who got a flu shot to a fist fight. Let’s settle this like adults.

Sounds like something an immature child would say.

Congrats, you almost got the joke.

I got my first flu shot in 1990 in bootcamp. There was no option to refuse the shot. I have had one every year since then, and have not had the flu in my adult life. After the first one, I figured I was probably less likely to fight it off on my own, so I make sure that I get it every year.

Are you serious? This study is specifically about the effects the earliest infections on later immune response.
Things it doesn't talk about(positive or negative):
1) Ongoing vaccinations
2) Your assertion of a difference in immune responses

You are reading your own beliefs into it.

I've stated over and over that I could care less if you take vaccines or not. Your health is not my problem. You like to take different view points and troll as much as possible though. It's usually pretty funny and no one takes it very serious. Maybe troll is not the correct term, maybe pot stirrer is more accurate.

How dare he take opposing views! Probably more of a pot smoker than stirrer... freakin’ California hippies!!

People can have whatever views they want. His are often intentionally opposite just too stir the pot though. It's all in good fun, O-din is usually pretty funny.

No sheep.. just want to help others not get sick. Im not surprised you didn't like my post since you are from California where they have measles outbreaks. I mean they had one at Disneyland! Welcome to California.

This has been a fairly civil discussion and most have posted their reasons for taking or not taking a flu shot. I've posted my view and at no time did I say those that were were doing me a disservice.

There are a few however that have insisted that those that choose not to are doing them and everybody else a disservice or are just plain morons. So for those few and ONLY those few I am going to ask a serious question-

Are you overweight or obese in any way? If so you should go on a diet and lose that weight because you are unhealthy that way and the overburdened health care industry does not need the extra work and expense it will take to try fix the problems you have caused by stuffing your face. There is no reason you need to eat so much while so many people are starving elsewhere. Also most normal people don't want to be exposed to whatever diseases you might carry because of the unhealthy state you are in.

Whats your weight and height?

5' 11" 175 lbs.

As a borderline fat guy that needs to lose a few pounds, those are all fair points. Except you said "you have to." I think everyone here has been saying "you should."

Oh, and if America isn't majority-fat yet it's heading that way, so your reference to "normal people" may be out of whack with the norm. Otherwise you're all good.

The you have to was along the same lines as you have to get a shot. Nobody has to do anything with a few exceptions.

But I will edit it to make it less harsh.

Not sure if this is directed at me or not as I haven't called anyone a moron but if it is I'm 5'10 and 165lbs and am not fat. I know odds were in your favor with this being a pinball forum though.

Not bad, thanks for not eating too much. I always had a theory that thin people are constipated.. are you constipated a lot?

Nothing a few California street tacos can't fix.

Since we are talking about vaccinations.. just make sure you are vaccinated for hepatitis before you get those "street" tacos my man.