What? Do you not understand or can you not read plain English? I don't know how better to explain it. But one last time. If you don't get it this time, I don't know what to tell you, but don't bother asking again. I'll try to make it so even a person with an IQ less than 50 can understand.

Flu shot advertisements are just like any other bullshit they repeatedly try to convince people that they need.

They are no different to me than any other crap some idiot on TV thinks he can convince people they need even if the don't or won't be buying anyway.

Now that we have been over and over it, how about you giving it a rest, or are you really that obsessed?
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Wolfmarsh just likes to think he is better and smarter than everybody else.

Have you lost any of that excessive weight yet? Bigger is not always better when it comes to one's health you know.

Congrats! I at one time was sort of fat myself.

Sounds like you got the Don Lapre special.

If only vinyl would last forever.

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Well. I made it thru both a norovirus and e-coli scare without any ill affects, so having them stick that garbage in my arm, I think I'll again pass on this year.

I have more faith in what Snoop says than some pinside keyboard zealots.

Great minds think alike.

I met Snoop at Disney's Ca. Adventure once. Him and his family got in the raft behind ours on Grizzly Rapids. Everybody was showing their love when they stopped the ride so they could get on.

When he got off, I knew the special door he would be coming out so I waited there with my daughter because she wanted to meet him. Sure enough, as he came out the door, I said "Hey Snoop, you're more popular than Mickey Mouse". Dude smiled and was totally cool.

Yes. I prefer originals over refakes any day.

Oh, and I love how those that don't get vaccines don't really give a shit if others do, but those that do seem so overly concerned about that those that don't.

Thank you so much for caring.

If they have defective kids that's not my fault.

I gave at the office.

i've had enough mountains to climb in my life to drag along others.

Seriously? Although I got those shots when I was younger, there is no way in hell I am relying on others that get flu vaccines or any other kind to stay healthy.

And those diseases didn't hit everybody, probably more those that weren't very healthy to begin with.

I take care of myself and am sure I am exposed to all kinds of bad shit every day, but still rarely get any kind of illness at all.

The day I'm counting on what others do to keep myself healthy is the day I start slamming triple quarter pounders every meal.

Relying on what others do to keep myself healthy. LOL.

I can't wait until they make a bad batch that wipes out half the population. Then we won't have to listen to these zealots trying to lay some guilt trip on us because they don't know how or aren't willing to take the steps to keep their own selves healthy.

I'm just happy that we can all agree that there are none that would have us take shots or medicines that a person had decided he or she would rather not.

Samoa seems to have a fairly dense population of 70 people for every square kilometer up from 20 in the 1950s. 1/5 of the population there died during the flu epidemic of 1918-1919.

Sad indeed, but in crowded, less than sanitary conditions especially in the tropics, mother nature will try to restore some balance and diseases will happen. Vaccinate for one, and something else is sure to do the same.

Exactly, the world has gotten too crowded and is being sapped of all it's resources. Homelessness seems to be at an all time high, and sanitation and infrastructure has taken a turn for the worse.

Vaccinate all you want, but there will be no stopping mother nature when she unleashes her wrath. Flu, plague, whatever, it's only a matter of time. Nobody wants to be the one to go when it happens. But many will anyway.

Noone's seen my credit score yet.

So true.

And although there are many speculations in this thread about why one's desire is to get one or not, and if we believe in science or not to me is all irrelevant.

IMO when it comes to science vs. nature, science doesn't stand a fighting chance. Although both could destroy the world in a matter of seconds.

I've got a credit score of over 150 and an IQ close to 900. They wanted to know all that last time I bought a car... with cash.

The only bad mark ever on my credit was back in the 1980s when you had to lease your home phone from AT+T. When I moved they told me I had two of their phones when I only had one.

After several phone calls they assured me it was cleared up, until the collection notice came. I told myself at the time I would never ever deal with them again, and for almost 30 years I didn't. It was forced upon me again when they took over from Pac Bell. Pleased to say nothing has changed with that company since then.

Sure, science has made great strides in medicine, but at the same time science is also responsible for all weapons of mass destruction, biological or otherwise. I can't and won't seperate the two. They are all a result of science.

Sure, but I thought I might share that tidbit anyway.

I used to live by there and remember the sirens going off at 4:00 AM during a huge rainstorm. On that day I had a renewed faith in "science" .

Yep, I must be an idiot for speaking the truth that does not fit your criteria or agenda.

For every Buffet, there is always a Madoff. Lot of people trusted him, didn't they?

Not saying you can't trust all of them, actually that is what I'm saying.

You just don't always know which ones to trust, so I'd rather just trust myself.

No, Rick and Morty took care of that. This is just a sideshow. Like at a circus. With clowns.

Speaking of clowns, my straight A, honor student, fourth year of college daughter laughs at those that tell her she should get the shot.

Guess daddy, and perhaps mommy didn't raise no fool.

You have no point. We all got our shots when we were children.

But we don't get them on a yearly basis for something minor like the flu.

And the more somebody else tells us we should, the more we think they ought to mind their own fucking business.

OK pinfactory 2000, I'll play.

Do you own or drive a car? Do you have more than one? Do you put a lot of miles on it? Do any of your family members?

Well, I sure hope not as almost 1.5 million people die in car accidents every year as opposed to about 50,000 from the flu.

I sure as hell hope you aren't one of those out there puttng any of the population at risk. That would almost be hypocritical on your part, now wouldn't it?

More like your agenda seems to be you're right and everybody else that doesn't see it your way is wrong.

Generalize much?

Whatever your beliefs you are trying to force down other people's throats, I don't believe you are helping your cause.

Using your flu shot logic, it's the others out there that life's in danger everytime you get behind the wheel.

But you mean to tell me you actually take the risk of hurting somebody else each time you leave the driveway, when it would be much safer for everybody if you did not drive at all? I mean that's all you have to do to reduce the risk, just stop driving.

In other words, people that live in glass houses should at least stop to think, if they can, before they throw stones.

Strike two and three, you're out!

I never have been.

And not really a worry, but the thought of how many more holier than thou zealots in the world there are now that can't mind their own business, and would rather tell others what they should or should not do, and twist all kinds of logic around to fit their spiel, is just one more thing to avoid.

I'd take a good dose of the flu than deal with or listen to any more of them than I have to.

Cue up the why do we have to deal with so many people that don't believe in science spiel. lol.

Oh it exists alright. Making the world a better and safer place.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_warfare

I never said I denied science exists. And I'm sure not many do.

That's why for the life of me, I can't understand why some are using that as basically a strawman argument in this thread.

"You don't believe in science" lol.

But hey, if you are going to push science is always right and the answer to everything, I got news for you. It is not.

I didn't say you did.

However, it has been used many times by several in this thread supposedly as a win response to those that do their own research and make their own adult descisions instead of letting someone else make them for them.

It started out as a simple yes or no question. Or so many of us thought. Little did we know there would be some hellish demons to be fought.

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As long as we all can agree on that, I'm good.

As far as the others I got the mumps vaccine and got them anyway. No big deal, I got to stay home from school and watch Captain Kangaroo.

Perhaps he was too busy dodging ping pong balls falling from the sky care of some moose to notice?

You get Blenderhead's blood, prepare yourself for skateboarding and the midnight munchies.

Of course!

You are even worse at this.

If minimizing risks is the topic of discussion, then why do you even take the risk of getting behind the wheel when 1.5 million people die that way every year? And even more get maimed.

And just out of curiosity how many miles do you and your family drive each year?

Like the super intelligent ones that say " I got my flu shot but got sick anyway, but at least I'm not contagious"

Perhaps the shot they got didn't work?

I work with the public and have heard too many times they got the shot but got sick anyway.

Nothing like having a false sense of security and going out and spreading that shit around anyway.

I'm just going to say what I think.

Unlike MMR, there are too many strains of the flu and that kind of virus is always mutating, so they will never be able to eradicate it.

Gat a shot if you like, or don't if you don't. Plain and simple. I don't see the point in debating that. Some people are healthier than others and take care of themselves so they have strong immune systems. For those that don't, perhaps science can save them.

Point is? I never told anybody that wanted one they should not, but there sure have been a lot of others that do that tell others they should.

As long as that is the spiel, this thread will never end.

Not lately, but I have checked out onethousandreasonstogetaflushotandyouareadumbassifyoudont.com

I'm going to clarify what I meant before I go do more important things today.

My statements were in regards to putting others at risk, not you. There are those that insist by not getting the shot you are putting others at risk just like every time you get behind the wheel of your car.

If you are only concerned about yourself, then we misunderstood each other.

Apparently my mom, a 97 year old granny, never faced that. She doesn't take flu shots anymore either after one put her in the hospital 10 years ago. Or perhaps it was just a coincidence she got deathly ill shortly after the shot.

CDC- "Yes, we are accomplished and educated, and have made sure what we recommend is safe and the FDA has also approved it. But in regards to that Xaralto that caused your grandmother's death, and the hernia mesh that has caused you major problems, be sure to direct your lawsuits at the companies that made them, not us or the FDA"

Apparently the Patriots lost the last two games because of the flu. They should have all got vaccinated. Or did they...

Perhaps it was a reaction to something else in the shot, who knows. And we don't care about population statistics. Only what works for us. At least we have enough intelligence to make our own decisions. I'm sure there will be someone that says we are stupid for doing that.

Most of the population I see on a daily basis is obese and very unhealthy looking. I'm not going to base anything I do on statistics that they are a major part of.

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It doesn't even take that. You could be in the middle of a major accident that's not even your fault, and just because your vehicle is there, it could cause several deaths regardless.

For those that are so concerned about putting others at risk, JUST STOP DRIVING!!!

To practice what I preach, I will not be putting any lives at risk by getting behind the wheel of a motor vehicle to go get a flu shot.

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I only use my car for important things.

Thanks, but please don't respect my right to drink a half a bottle of Jack Daniels without eating dinner ever again. Please.

Next year I might get a flu shot to wipe out the shit I got last year.

Sorry to hear that, but perhaps he took the expert's advice and got the flu shot recommended for those with Crohns. Or misunderstood the recommendations.

"it contains the live forms of modified flu virus"

https://www.crohnsandcolitis.org.uk/news/the-flu-vaccine-and-ibd

Honestly what concerns me a bit is this influx of ankle biting mosquitos from South America that appeared last year. Oh the price of having fresh produce year round.

Anyway you can't see them and they are ruthless. I kept them at bay this last summer with candles, but the year before they tore my lower legs up. This variety is known to carry Dengue fever virus although no cases reported here.

I guess just another good reason to keep the old immune system strong. My bosses daughter contracted west nile and it took a year for them to figure it out and it put a perfectly healthy teenager into a wheel chair. She walks with a cane now. They are fairly convinced she got it while visiting the Chicago area.

That was point earlier about dengue fever and west nile. Mosquitos go straight for the bloodstream. If your immune system isn't up to the task, look out

West Nile is bad shit once it takes hold, I've seen it first hand. It's crippling. And even with our normally dry climate, it gets pretty tropical here some summers with lots of mosquitos even more now. Not trying to compare any to polio, but this is a current and real danger.

No that was a good information summary. I may not have presented it that way though.

On one point they recommended someone with Crohns get a flu shot and if he did he got the flu anyway.

The other piece of information which I highlighted is that some forms of the vaccine contain live virus, which I believe some here has said it does not.

If the article itself is in error, I did not write it.

Maybe just as effective as that live virus those mosquitos inject.

A few snorts of whisky seems to work for me.

Another worst flu season in decades that I will be sitting out.

I think the modern definition of "healthy kids" doesn't mean what it used to.

I'm sure if it will help pad their statistics and fit their agenda, the CDC would consider these "normally healthy kids", if they were to not get a flu shot and then get sick.
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This thread be like-

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It's actually almost invisible. Like the chances of a strong healthy person getting sick from it or getting a shot to prevent it.

Taking those numbers and generously saying 10% of the population is strong and healthy, of which even fewer will get sick, then the odds are slim to none.

Gotcha. Statistical numbers include the strong and healthy with the sickly, and they are all equally percentagewise going to get sick.

I have several habits that say I might not be. But seeing what other samplings of the human race look like on a daily basis, I feel pretty solid at age 57. Plus years of experience tell me how to avoid getting sick even with my daily contact with the human race.

It's whatever's right for you or any other individual.

Nobody should be making their own decisions based on somebody elses preaching.

Supposedly at least some chicken egg product.

As been stated in this thread several times, you could get a flu shot and have a false sense of security and still be contageous with it or another strain and have have ZERO symptoms. Great right? Well, for YOU, but you are still contagious. You could spread the shit all over potentially killing people, all the while you appear strong and healthy!

Ooooo, the Big Hunk!

That wasn't really an excuse for not getting one.

It was more pointing out how ridiculous those are that are trying to lay some guilt trip on those that don't, as many think that once they get the shot, they are immune to getting anybody else sick.

They could already be infected, and at that point even with the shot, they are as contagious as anybody else.

Or they could be carrying another strain, but because they got a shot, they feel high and mighty that their whoever was certainly infected by somebody that didn't get one.

My reason for not getting one, is that I don't need or want one.

Stating facts or science as you believe it is not guilt tripping.

When even if you get the shot, you could do the same, is.

In fact, it's a little more than that.

Do you drive a car? If so, how many miles in a year?

Did you drive a car to get your last flu shot?

Did you know it is a scientific fact that every time you get behind the wheel that increases your chances of causing somebody else's death or harm in a vehicular accident?

Did you know that it is also a scientific fact that by not getting behind the wheel, that almost eliminates the risk of you contributing to the cause of a vehicular accident and it also helps the environment in ways that can also not lead to someone else's harm or death?

Just the facts, the scientific facts.

Do you have any scientific basis to back that up?

I'll bring the rats.

All I want to know is how many rats have died in the name of science.

I almost forgot it was flu season.

Can't that wait until football season is officially over?

Very sad.

Should we blame the parents or doctor on this one too? Or is it science fiction?

So far this is what I have learned from this thread.

Some use what intelligence they have and listen to what some so called experts say and choose to get vaccinated.

Others use what common sense they have, and go by their own experiences and choose to either get one or not.

And with others, if you are not making the same choice they are, you are an inconsiderate idiot.

Not that hard.

I believe science is responsible for bombs that can blow up the world. Science is also responsible for what creates greenhouse gasses so many are concerned about today. Science is also responsible for those colorful dyes and chemicals with long names that show up on food labels.

Science is also responsible for the vaccines, of that there can be no doubt.

What scientific creations one chooses not to use in regards to his or her own well being does not mean they are denying the science exists. It might be more in regards to how little one would like to rely on science and all their medicines and chemicals to stay healthy.

Well, mom was born in 1922 when I believe Harding was president, and according to your chart she should have been gone sometime in the 1960s, but miraculously is still with us today without getting the shot for more than at least the last ten years. Her choice what to and not to put in her body.

Other factors beyond medicine such as handling of water, waste, and food has greatly contributed to people living longer. We haven't had a bacterial plague wipe out large portions of the population in some time.

A problem that has arisen from the longer lifespans people do have now is the rapid increase in world population which is sapping it's resources and dirtying up the planet to no end.

There will come a time when it can take no more, and those longer lifespans and world population will do an about face, no matter what science tries to do because it will be too late.

Lol on that!

I don't need to say it but with all the advances in science and technology over the last century starting with the industrial revolution, it has been slowly destroying this planet. Look no further than the oceans where all the waste, trash, and other scientific runoff has found it's way. I could go on and on, but with almost every advancement, there are consequences that most will do nothing about until it is too late.

News says people are getting hit hard with the flu. Tents set up outside hospitals to handle the overflow. All I can say is do what you gotta do. Or did what you gotta did. And hope you feel better soon.

Yeah man!

Just like all the hype from people that know more than I convinced me to invest in one of these.

I could have also invested in New Coke and Betamax at the advice of others.

So yeah, I'm just going to scurry on down to Walmart and get that shot now.

I was just kidding. lol. I didn't buy that junk just like I won't let them shoot that junk into my body.

I see all kinds of seemingly brainwashed people buying into shit just because they see an ad on TV or someone else tells them they should. Or four out of five doctors recommend it. lol. Or even caving into peer pressure to become one with some herd.

I like to think of myself as more intelligent than that and having a mind of my own and able to decide what's best for me. Sure when I was a punk kid I did some stupid shit that others did. But I think I might be a little wiser now. Perhaps.

More insults

Hahaha

Yeah, that's going to work!

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So what would you do with those that get the shot and get sick anyway, and go out and spread it around.

Give them a medal or trophy?

No I'm an anti someone trying to tell others what to do and lay some guilt trip on them for not making the same choice they do.

And using insults and other tactics to prove they are right.

Thread title is "Do you get a seasonal flu shot?"

Not "Tell us why someone is clueless or an inconsiderate idiot if they don't"

And you've just shown you are a genius with people skills that most will want to believe or listen to. Just kidding.

I won't be watching that video with the bald dude or taking anything you say seriously.

So, are you saying if one gets the shot there is absolute no way in hell they can get the flu, even perhaps another strain?

Some of these guys on the flu shot brigade sure take themselves seriously.

I don't know what it is Sad Sack, but his whole spiel is like the desperation we've been seeing throughout this thread.

They sound like they are so fearful they are going to die, they want to use guys like us as scapegoats or something for their own weakness to disease.

It fits the mold

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It's funny. We were watching the news last night and they said if you have the flu and are feeling dehydrated be sure to contact your doctor.

How bout if you are dehydrated, start drinking some water. lol.

Then there is the cure for the flu- get plenty of rest and drink plenty of liquids. What would be wrong with doing that beforehand so you don't get sick in the first place?

I don't plan on getting the flu this year so I feel the shot or any other man made chemical remedy is toxins I don't need in my body.