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Do we expect too much too soon from newly released pins ?


By stretch2

6 years ago



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    #1 6 years ago

    Are our expectations too high when a new pinball machine is released ? Are we being too critical ?

    #2 6 years ago

    Obviously.

    Everyone gets super excited and then starts imagining what it's going to be like, what songs are included, what the rules are, & that the game will be complete on release.

    #3 6 years ago

    Absolutely.

    Some folks have no patience.

    Also....people concoct fantastic features with their imagination, and a new pin just can't surpass those expectations.

    #4 6 years ago

    Patience and pins have no relevance together.

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    #5 6 years ago

    At $6,500-$7,500 your expectations should be high.

    #6 6 years ago
    Quoted from stretch2:

    Patience and pins have no relevance together.

    Respectfully disagree.

    I've been able to amass a reasonably okay collection by being patient. If I rushed into everything, I don't think I'd be anywhere near where I am now.

    You can afford to be impatient every once in a while...but understand the opportunity costs of doing so).

    Pete

    #7 6 years ago
    Quoted from stretch2:

    Patience and pins have no relevance together.

    Smoking gun of problems in the pinball world today It's not really that bad but I had to exaggerate it a bit.

    I totally get it. If I was buying NIB games I might be overly excited before they come out. Like a lot of people here, I too might be imagining modes and songs on Metallica, closing my eyes and picturing myself playing an LE on top of a mountain when James Hetfield comes up behind and arm brushes my leg with his manly arm as he hits the start button. Hot breath on my ear as he whispers "Mind if we rock this thing together?" *guitar solo*

    #8 6 years ago
    Quoted from TheLaw:

    Smoking gun of problems in the pinball world today It's not really that bad but I had to exaggerate it a bit.
    I totally get it. If I was buying NIB games I might be overly excited before they come out. Like a lot of people here, I too might be imagining modes and songs on Metallica, closing my eyes and picturing myself playing an LE on top of a mountain when James Hetfield comes up behind and arm brushes my leg with his manly arm as he hits the start button. Hot breath on my ear as he whispers "Mind if we rock this thing together?" *guitar solo*

    #9 6 years ago
    Quoted from TheLaw:

    closing my eyes and picturing myself playing an LE on top of a mountain when James Hetfield comes up behind and arm brushes my leg with his manly arm as he hits the start button. Hot breath on my ear as he whispers "Mind if we rock this thing together?" *guitar solo*

    Sure were still talking about pinball here?

    #10 6 years ago

    I expect too much from new games for sure

    I expect new pins to cost too much, break too much & distract me from chores too much

    #11 6 years ago
    Quoted from goodgameslover:

    Sure were still talking about pinball here?

    There's some balls in there somewhere...

    #12 6 years ago
    Quoted from TheLaw:

    I too might be imagining modes and songs on Metallica, closing my eyes and picturing myself playing an LE on top of a mountain when James Hetfield comes up behind and arm brushes my leg with his manly arm as he hits the start button. Hot breath on my ear as he whispers "Mind if we rock this thing together?" *guitar solo*

    Did you order the "it got weird" edition of Metallica?

    #13 6 years ago
    Quoted from Garrett:

    At $6,500-$7,500 your expectations should be high.

    This x1000!!! If you're gonna bend over the collector that keeps your business a float with your "LE" production model the LEAST u can do is have the latest and greatest toys in it. End of story.

    #15 6 years ago

    Yes. Its one of the main reasons why I don't like Tron. I thought it was going to be like Jesus.

    #16 6 years ago
    Quoted from PW79:

    Did you order the "it got weird" edition of Metallica?

    No I just assumed this is what Metallica fans daydream aboot

    #17 6 years ago

    Inspired by Nevus, I would think that if prices get any higher, they will need to sweeten the deal with hookers and blow (That's male escorts and nose candy for the ladies). How else can those depreciating their machines practically speaking deduct H&B?

    #18 6 years ago
    Quoted from stretch2:

    Are our expectations too high when a new pinball machine is released ? Are we being too critical ?

    "Our"? Mine aren't. But yes, only unmet or unrealistic expectations justify alot of the brio on these boards. That and a seemingly inability to give a game the time to settle to its rightful level, which cannot happen for years.

    #19 6 years ago
    Quoted from PW79:

    Did you order the "it got weird" edition of Metallica?

    quote of the month!

    #20 6 years ago
    Quoted from AbacusMan:

    Yes. Its one of the main reasons why I don't like Tron. I thought it was going to be like Jesus.

    close second in the quote of the month contest!

    #21 6 years ago
    Quoted from Garrett:

    There's some balls in there somewhere...

    A multiball i'm sure.

    #22 6 years ago

    AARGH....

    #23 6 years ago

    Well, I expect the game to be basically complete without any easily found bugs. By easily found I mean, if you play tested it at all you would notice it. Complete may mean "no frills" in the rules but at least all the switches do something, and the basics are there, such as the lane change, all modes and the wizard mode there and finishable. All the gravy can wait as long as they will actually do it.

    #24 6 years ago

    If the code updates are a priority then yes the machines will get better.But when those updates are put on the to do list while a new pin is getting more attention ,then there is a reason to expect more.

    #25 6 years ago
    Quoted from Garrett:

    At $6,500-$7,500 your expectations should be high.

    Best post in this thread. I expect a lot out of a game I pay $7,500. I expect quality control, completed code, reliability, some type of novelty/originality, pinball specific callouts, great music, great art, and appealing themes.

    I don't want to want a game just because it is rare, expensive, or hard to fine. I want to own a game because it is awesome.

    #26 6 years ago
    Quoted from Garrett:

    At $6,500-$7,500 your expectations should be high.

    This.

    But.

    When rabid buyers will fight over the top of each other to prebuy pins before the first ball is plunged, I'm afraid it sends the message to the manufacturers that there's room to price higher and quality is secondary if its themed right and had the right pedigree.

    #27 6 years ago

    at the price people are paying they do expect a lot. unfortunatly when stern releases games with software that is 40% done it crushes a game before its been given a chance to suceed. I think xmen is a lot better than most people think after the last update yet most people have given up on it. I hope stern has learned from this and continues to release new games with more compleated software like they did with avengers. i also wish that stern released the premium/pro versions of their games before even showing le pictures so people could have more than a day to decide if they want one before the crazyness kicks in. actually i wish they would just release 1 version of each game but with the money they make off le's its not gonna happen. i wonder how many "pro" games have sold more than 500 in the last few years? ironman and tron and ....

    #28 6 years ago

    Remember when Stern made one version of a new pin? It was priced reasonably and was usually produced until either demand dropped or copyrights ran out.None of this craziness with the LE feeding frenzy and high price flipping before the machine ever goes out the door.

    #29 6 years ago
    Quoted from stretch2:

    Remember when Stern made one version of a new pin? It was priced reasonably and was usually produced until either demand dropped or copyrights ran out.None of this craziness with the LE feeding frenzy and high price flipping before the machine ever goes out the door.

    To some extent I think the LE's are partially responsible for the exponential growth of players to the hobby. It really brought out the "collector class" of pinheads . . . and those tend to be the people that bring others into the hobby.

    I like the LE's. Don't like the speculators. Looks like you can't have one without the other though.

    #30 6 years ago
    Quoted from Garrett:

    At $6,500-$7,500 your expectations should be high.

    Bingo. Yeah, critics will be out there but for thousands of dollars on a toy, it is fine to have high expectations.

    #31 6 years ago

    Hey,
    It's like finally going to a movie that you"ve heard from everyone it's fantastic !
    Your expectations are soooo high when you finally go it never reaches your expectations.
    You wonder afterwards what was all the hype about.

    #32 6 years ago

    It's 2013 and we have seen nothing new and creative except prices increase.

    #33 6 years ago

    The real question should be:

    Do we demand too little for the $$$$ we are currently paying?

    #34 6 years ago

    For the price, I fully expected Olivia Wilde to personally deliver my Tron:LE. It seemed the least Stern could do to fulfill the promise of the LE model. Needless to say, I was left disappointed.

    #35 6 years ago

    Just a question... when the Williams games were coming out in the 90's, were there similar issues? Was the software complete and were there mechanical issues? I'm not being a wise guy. I'm serious. I wasnt in the hobby back then and I'm curious to know if the same issues occurred back then as machines were being released.

    #36 6 years ago
    Quoted from Garrett:

    At $6,500-$7,500 your expectations should be high.

    Exactly...these games should blow our minds, not make us wanna blow our brains out.

    #37 6 years ago
    Quoted from gac:

    Just a question... when the Williams games were coming out in the 90's, were there similar issues?

    Yes...all the time. You can look up ROM sites and see all the changes and fixes they went through.

    #38 6 years ago

    Thanks Law. I know there were updated rom versions but it seems like they were for minor issues. Some people are talking about software being 40% complete on the new machines! It also seems like many playfield parts dont function properly or break quickly/easily now. Was this the case with the 90's machines too?

    #39 6 years ago
    Quoted from stretch2:

    Remember when Stern made one version of a new pin? It was priced reasonably and was usually produced until either demand dropped or copyrights ran out.None of this craziness with the LE feeding frenzy and high price flipping before the machine ever goes out the door.

    Remember when Stern was teetering on failing because margins were so thin that a single dud was risking a fatal blow?

    Remember when they were so cost conscious we got crap games and all the good ideas got left on the table? Well... now with higher prices being validated by the market they are putting them in the game.

    #40 6 years ago

    Every time a new Stern comes out, people on here hype the crap out of it. That's the problem.

    #41 6 years ago

    I would say the problem is the fact that Stern has managed to do literally nothing to push pinball forward, despite a huge resurgence. If anything, they've regressed to simpler designs. (though, Metallica may be an exception.) I'd take a LOTR and RBION over ACDC and Tron any day of the week.

    #42 6 years ago
    Quoted from Collin:

    I'd take a LOTR and RBION over ACDC and Tron any day of the week.

    Well Tron vs RBION....Borg loves a good Lawlor layout.

    #43 6 years ago

    No. For 7k our expectations should be even higher

    #44 6 years ago

    Every new pin is expected to be the best pin ever, so ya.

    #45 6 years ago

    Its very easy to be critical of a new pin as there is no personal attachment to it. There are no memories of playing it 15 years ago and re-living some fond memory from the past while playing that game. The NIB are measured for what they are. Themes, rules, etc with no emotional attachment. Thats why is so easy to bag on them. So to me its not necessarily that we're TOO critical, just that its so EASY to be critical in general of a NIB pin.

    All that said and while i appreciate STERN keeping things alive, there is nothing to change them from releasing games with incomplete code if people keep buying them AND there is no competition or alternative. And that said, look how they've turned things around in the last couple years with a new start up just starting to bite at their heals. Hopefully as JJP actually gets some games out there will be more improvements. Competition is what's really needed. Stern/JJP/and a few boutique manufacturers would be the best scenario for everyone I think.

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