Do pinballs consume power wile turned off?


By mickthepin

1 year ago


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    #1 1 year ago

    Hey guys I just got this question and I thought there's probably someone here on pinside that could answer this in a second.
    Do pins consume power wile turned off but still plugged in?
    Thanks

    #2 1 year ago

    No. Assuming nothing plugged into the service outlet.

    LTG : )

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    #3 1 year ago

    Thanks LTG straight answer from a straight shooter

    #4 1 year ago

    Yep, it's called phantom energy. Most appliances do this.

    #5 1 year ago

    leakage in the emi filter could in theory register on the meter. its micro amps though

    #6 1 year ago
    Quoted from SkillShot:

    Yep, it's called phantom energy. Most appliances do this.

    Sarcasm, right?....pinball machines use dpst switches for power, which in essence is a physical disconnect from power...both hot and neutral disconnected

    Unless, as Lloyd pointed out, you leave something plugged into the service plug ( like a soldering iron...so I've heard)

    #7 1 year ago
    Quoted from MK6PIN:

    Sarcasm, right?....pinball machines use dpst switches for power, which in essence is a physical disconnect from power...
    Unless, as Lloyd pointed out, you leave something plugged into the service plug ( like a soldering iron...so I've heard)

    old ones use single pole, old filters leak a bit...

    #8 1 year ago
    Quoted from wiredoug:

    old ones use single pole, old filters leak a bit...

    Ahh....I learned something new, and stand corrected....retract my previous statement in reference to machines you state.

    #9 1 year ago

    Pictures 1-2 game plugged in .1 amp
    Pic 3 not plugged in 0.0 amp
    Pic 4 game on and playing 1.0 amp
    pic 5 game playing 115 watts
    Not pictured is at .9 amps game on but not playing

    All on a Stern's Iron Man

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    #10 1 year ago
    Quoted from MK6PIN:

    Ahh....I learned something new, and stand corrected....retract my previous statement in reference to machines you state.

    we all learn stuff every day, thats half the fun...
    i should add "in theory" to the 'old filters' thing.. i have not personally measured it but they do have a leakage rating so it seems possible.. it will be trivial like 2mA for example.. best way will be just measure it

    you might like this mick http://www.jaycar.com.au/mains-power-meter/p/MS6115

    #11 1 year ago

    The AMWat thing is only accurate above 1Amp .. this will be mA or even uA

    #12 1 year ago
    Quoted from wiredoug:

    we all learn stuff every day, thats half the fun

    Agreed....just another reason this hobby is so interesting to me.....

    #13 1 year ago

    Wonder if i can add that small amount of mA to the hamster wheel production? Might even be able to fire up another machine with that, out here in the boonies

    #14 1 year ago
    Quoted from thepinballworks:

    Pictures 1-2 game plugged in .1 amp
    Pic 3 not plugged in 0.0 amp
    Pic 4 game on but not playing 1.0 amp
    pic 5 game playing 11.5 amp
    All in amp readings.
    All on a Stern's Iron Man

    11.5 amps when playing cant be right. The ul listing is 8 amps MAX draw on the back isnt it? I run 3 or 4 games on a single 15 amp breaker all being played at an average of 3 amps each read with a clamp on meter, including sterns, without popping the breaker.

    #15 1 year ago
    Quoted from thepinballworks:

    Pictures 1-2 game plugged in .1 amp
    Pic 3 not plugged in 0.0 amp
    Pic 4 game on but not playing 1.0 amp
    pic 5 game playing 11.5 amp
    All in amp readings.
    All on a Stern's Iron Man

    You may be looking at watts. No pinball machine uses 11.5 amps. Generally 2 - 3 amps.

    #16 1 year ago
    Quoted from DrJoe:

    You may be looking at watts. No pinball machine uses 11.5 amps. Generally 2 - 3 amps.

    Right, I was looking at wrong pic.
    Thanks
    I corrected it.

    #17 1 year ago

    I never leave machines plugged in anyway. I don't trust storms, nor do I trust switches with hundreds of thousands of cycles to keep them off. Better to be safe than sorry. I either use a main power strip from a trusted manufacturer (like TRIPP), or I use remote outlets.

    #18 1 year ago

    Yo

    #19 1 year ago

    Put em all on a gfi breaker and no worries

    #20 1 year ago
    Quoted from toyotaboy:

    I never leave machines plugged in anyway. I don't trust storms, nor do I trust switches with hundreds of thousands of cycles to keep them off. Better to be safe than sorry. I either use a main power strip from a trusted manufacturer (like TRIPP), or I use remote outlets.

    Do remote outlets offer protection from a storm? Are you talking about something like this?

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    #21 1 year ago

    Help me out here. If a circuit is open, how can it use power? If you switch off a power strip or a light switch how can energy be consumed. No, power cannot be consumed when a game is switched off. Pinball machines do not have phantom energy issues because they have a hard switch that physically opens the circuit.

    #22 1 year ago

    Does a Stern power switch not disconnect the transformer primary like traditional games before it? Why would there still be a current draw?

    #23 1 year ago
    Quoted from BoJo:

    Do remote outlets offer protection from a storm? Are you talking about something like this?

    No.

    LTG : )

    #24 1 year ago

    Yes, unless you have non-volatile RAM most solid-state machines use power from a battery to preserve memory state.

    #25 1 year ago

    The pinball machines pre 1998 in canada do as they had a second transformer installed before they could be imported into ontario canada and it was hooked up before the on off switch. It was a big cash grab from the hydro company.

    #26 1 year ago

    Some added safety information.
    There was no specification on WHICH TYPE of pinball machines.
    I am not referring to battery voltage for memory.
    We are not talking about residual voltage on modern machines either.

    EMs and wood rails 100% do.
    Measure the voltage in the cabinet.
    I only say this because it is not marginal, but dangerous.
    Really dangerous.
    Even with the installation of a home use single or double toggle throw pole switch.
    This includes Bally and Williams EMs games that have a faulty power circuit using the left flipper button to turn the game "on".
    That is why owners need to unplug games before full servicing on these types based on their age, if you are working on certain parts of the game, and do not need to do "hot testing".
    There are many reasons of these occurrences.

    If these games have grounding faults, they CAN kill.

    Foreign game manufacturers such as Zaccaria, Inder, and Bell need to be watched as well due to the ways they are powered, especially if they were reimported at not properly converted for use in other countries, using $#%@ed up connectors or bypass methods. Operators and homeowners have been known to do some strange things like adding voltage convertors, which are active all the time, resulting in power energizing inside the machines with things like lockout coils, because this is active as soon as power is applied.

    This applies to ANY game that uses a lockout coil on the coin door like Early SS Bally, Williams, and GTB games as well.

    Keep in mind ALL games also retain voltages after being turned off.
    They do not automatically discharge.
    You will get shocked, and if you touch the wrong place you can get seriously hurt.
    If a person wants to test the theory put your hand in the high voltage section or short circuit a capacitor (not recommended).
    People make simple errors that if they are lucky only damage their machine.

    #27 1 year ago

    I reached in the front door of my Power Play for some surprise concert tickets I had for my wife & got a big shock while the game was off. There was power somewhere.

    #28 1 year ago
    Quoted from scampcamp:

    I reached in the front door of my Power Play for some surprise concert tickets I had for my wife & got a big shock while the game was off. There was power somewhere.

    There is power in there but it's not flowing. When you touched it you created a path to ground causing it to flow through you.

    #29 1 year ago

    Right..

    #30 1 year ago

    Well so much for straight answer 1 and done.

    #31 1 year ago
    Quoted from xTheBlackKnightx:

    EMs and wood rails 100% do.
    Measure the voltage in the cabinet.
    I only say this because it is not marginal, but dangerous.

    Wish I'd read this before I tried to work on my Triple Strike with power off but still plugged in.

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