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Do mods decrease resale?


By Modernpinman

4 days ago



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    #51 4 days ago
    Quoted from schudel5:

    This is the worst of all of them...powder-coated coin doors, legs, rails, lockdown bars, wireforms, ugh! Hard pass.

    Eegads

    #52 4 days ago

    Depends if they are mods I want and would have bought anyway. Contrary to many here, I do not care for the color DMD as an upgrade as most set it to that smudged totally filled setting that looks like trash.

    #53 4 days ago
    Quoted from Zablon:

    I do not care for the color DMD as an upgrade as most set it to that smudged totally filled setting that looks like trash.

    So you find it hard to hit a button 2 times to change it?

    #54 3 days ago

    So I’m also going to disagree with ColorDMD, but for different reasons. I don’t like to sell games with them still in it. People seem to have a price in mind for games, and that price doesn’t include a ColorDMD. But much worse than that, the replacement game I’m buying will probably need a ColorDMD! So I’m paying full price for it, and any extra mounting stuff. For a game like Stern Star Trek, that’s $445.33 USD to my door. Why would I sell it for a dime less than that, seeing I’ll need one as soon as that game leaves and the next game shows up?

    So when I put one in a game I drop the original DMD into the box, write the game name on it, and toss it in the closet. Then the original goes back in when I sell it.

    #55 3 days ago
    Quoted from Completist:

    A good point. A new board is not a mod or upgrade imo. It was only put in because the game wouldn’t work without it. The cost of the board brings a non working game up to standard. At no point does it make it worth more. No one is pulling out working original boards and “upgrading them”. Same as LED displays in a pre dmd game. I’ll take the plasma displays please.

    You don't think a 35 year old game with a brand new board is worth a little more than a game with a 35 year old board?

    #56 3 days ago

    One other thought, there are some games out there that I know I would want to keep and mod myself. I don't want someone else's mods. I want the fun of picking them out and installing them.

    #57 3 days ago
    Quoted from pinzrfun:

    You don't think a 35 year old game with a brand new board is worth a little more than a game with a 35 year old board?

    Depends on the boards but usually no. Weebly or alltek for a classic Stern/ Bally maybe because they have added features.
    Any replacement board for a W/B...why is it replaced? What was wrong with the old one? I can fix a board very easily in almost any condition for a couple bucks, no need to spend 100+ on a new one. And I'll take an OG board over a Rottendog every day

    #58 3 days ago
    Quoted from TheLaw:

    Depends on the boards but usually no. Weebly or alltek for a classic Stern/ Bally maybe because they have added features.
    Any replacement board for a W/B...why is it replaced? What was wrong with the old one? I can fix a board very easily in almost any condition for a couple bucks, no need to spend 100+ on a new one. And I'll take an OG board over a Rottendog every day

    Yes this was my point. A replacement board to me doesn’t make the game more valuable. The lack of a board of course makes it worth less than a running game. 35 yr old boards that have been serviced / bulletproofed are completely reliable. I DO appreciate repro board suppliers who keep pins alive.

    How many System 11 owners wished they had an original over the repros with sound issues?

    #59 3 days ago
    Quoted from Aurich:

    Putting in a pool lowers your home value.

    Might also depend on where you live. When I lived in San Diego a pool didnt matter to me. It was basically too cold for the pool (even more so at night). Now living in Florida a pool is a must to me. I will also add that if you have a nice house in Southern CA it will probably sell very quickly if priced right to the market. I dont think it matters if it has a pool or not. A Florida home will take longer to sell.

    #60 3 days ago
    Quoted from MrBally:

    Genuine VFW LED's? I always turn off camera #4 and get a pocketful every visit.

    I like to get to the club before clay does and change one or two GI lights on a random game with different coloured LEDs to see how long it takes him to find them and have a stroke about it

    Quoted from TheLaw:

    Jesus those things...they're great if you want 3 diff'rent colored "warm whites"

    "warm" whites?!? I thought that those cost him too much and that's why he switched to the blue and/or sometimes purple "cool" whites. I swear every bulb in that bag is a different colour

    #61 3 days ago
    Quoted from TheLaw:

    So you find it hard to hit a button 2 times to change it?

    Lol, no, it's just that that seems to be what every person uses which I find strange because it doesn't look good at all (IMO of course). Ultimately, I am not really interested in them so I'm with the person who says he would keep them and put them in another machine.

    #62 3 days ago

    I do not care for LED's in an older pin so yes for me that is a mod that would lesson my interest and what I'd pay. They do improve some of the more modern pins but for EM's and early SS they just don't work for me.

    #63 3 days ago

    For me it depends on the mod and the game the mod is going into. Color DMD are always a plus. Shaker motors usually add value. PinSound boards add value in certain games (like a must have in Getaway, DataEast GNR, etc). LED's are break-even type of mod for me and don't add/subtract value. Dancin' Boggy man mod and glow-in-the-dark ramp bones in Scared Stiff add value. Aftermarket clear coating on playfields also add value in my book.

    Things that subtract value (for me) are: weird color powder coated parts, playfield decal overlay stickers, bad touchups on playfields, non-original sideart that is installed badly and any mod that is not easily reversible.

    #64 3 days ago

    Mods, with very few exceptions, that are radically different from stock-appearing will usually compromise the value of a pin. Off the top of head, I can say that for, say CFTBL the Mike D mod will likely increase the value ~1800.00 or so. Powder coating-not so much. I have bought and sold many pins (over 1000, probably closer to 2000) in my life and have always passed on the ones that are either heavily modded or "personalized". Sadly, and no offense implied to those who like it, powder-coated pins are an automatic no.

    #65 3 days ago
    Quoted from CubeSnake:

    ...I can say that for, say CFTBL the Mike D mod will likely increase the value ~1800.00 or so. ...

    Really? Why so much?

    #66 3 days ago

    Most mods are usually really easy to remove (except some Cliffy protectors) so its really just a personal decision. The exception to that is personalized powder coating, game blades, ramps, wire forms, etc....Unless your a pinball purist I think most people who purchased pinballs the last 10 years like many of the mods as they do dress up a game nicely, and very few affect game play. So if u think your gonna take a big hit on all the mods, just remove and sell them on the open market for 50-75% of the retail price.....for me I've upgraded the lighting on several 90's B/W games and the LED's are far superior as many of those games were too dark in the first place, and frankly the original lighting sucked.

    #67 3 days ago
    Quoted from PtownPin:

    Most mods are usually really easy to remove (except some Cliffy protectors) so its really just a personal decision. The exception to that is personalized powder coating, game blades, ramps, wire forms, etc....Unless your a pinball purist I think most people who purchased pinballs the last 10 years like many of the mods as they do dress up a game nicely, and very few affect game play. So if u think your gonna take a big hit on all the mods, just remove and sell them on the open market for 50-75% of the retail price.....for me I've upgraded the lighting on several 90's B/W games and the LED's are far superior as many of those games were too dark in the first place, and frankly the original lighting sucked.

    A Cliffy is considered a mod?

    #68 3 days ago
    Quoted from JayDee:

    A Cliffy is considered a mod?

    Hey, I'm still trying to figure out why they are putting pools I a pinball machine

    #69 3 days ago
    Quoted from JayDee:

    A Cliffy is considered a mod?

    doesn't come with the original game so yes its a mod.

    #70 3 days ago
    Quoted from Taxman:

    Really? Why so much?

    Not really too sure on that-but-I was recently offered 2400.00 for my unused MikeD kit (uninstalled in it's box along with monitor) and I'm reeeally thinking about letting it go at that price! I wish I bought 2 of them!

    #71 3 days ago

    NO WAY IN HELL!!! The real question is does it increase the value and the answer is probably no. Who is going to complain because you added a color screen, powder coated, side blade art the typical upgrades. I'd say no one. When you look at a company like Mod Couple they're just setting the World on Fire, their mods are enhancing the games. I look at Wonka and their mods are going to get it closer to the WOZ level. Their Pirate mods are amazing.

    Mods can also always be removed so it doesn't hurt the game no way no how. I think its possible you can get a slight bump for your game with some mods but typically you should only add mods if you plan on keeping the game forever. Otherwise you're probably going to lose some money.

    #72 3 days ago
    Quoted from drfrightner:

    NO WAY IN HELL!!! The real question is does it increase the value and the answer is probably no. Who is going to complain because you added a color screen, powder coated, side blade art the typical upgrades. I'd say no one. When you look at a company like Mod Couple they're just setting the World on Fire, their mods are enhancing the games. I look at Wonka and their mods are going to get it closer to the WOZ level. Their Pirate mods are amazing.
    Mods can also always be removed so it doesn't hurt the game no way no how. I think its possible you can get a slight bump for your game with some mods but typically you should only add mods if you plan on keeping the game forever. Otherwise you're probably going to lose some money.

    I couldn't disagree more....so what your saying is a stock game with a color dmd, and shaker would sell for the same price as one without....I think not.

    #73 3 days ago

    Almost no mods add value for me. Like someone else said, I have a number in mind and if the mods put it over that number, no thanks.

    Only exception being cheap mods like cliffies - if they were put in early and the games been played that should result in better quality playfield. Maybe some mods that I would have wanted but are no longer available, otherwise I would just add them myself when money allows

    #74 3 days ago

    The question the OP had was do mods decrease resale value....the answer is clearly no as most if not all can be easily removed....it might decrease the market segment if somebody put some crazy powder coating on a game, but it certainly wouldn't decrease sales value. The debate is what would people pay for these mods on resale....its really anyones guess...mine guess would be 25-100% of their original value depending on the mod.

    #75 3 days ago
    Quoted from TheLaw:

    Depends on the boards but usually no. Weebly or alltek for a classic Stern/ Bally maybe because they have added features.
    Any replacement board for a W/B...why is it replaced? What was wrong with the old one? I can fix a board very easily in almost any condition for a couple bucks, no need to spend 100+ on a new one. And I'll take an OG board over a Rottendog every day

    Completely agree with this. I want an origin board so I can fix it. Plenty of tech advice on orginal stuff.

    #76 3 days ago
    Quoted from drfrightner:

    NO WAY IN HELL!!!

    Apparently you haven't see the guys that had nice brass wireforms on their Shadow's and decided to powder coat them some shade of purple or something. That brings the value down for me.

    #77 3 days ago

    No I won't give you an extra 100 dollars for that ugly plastic plunger you defaced the machine with and I expect the original be put back in thank you

    #78 3 days ago
    Quoted from PtownPin:

    I couldn't disagree more....so what your saying is a stock game with a color dmd, and shaker would sell for the same price as one without....I think not.

    You can't get full price back on your color screen you just can't. Most people I see marketing a game will say this price with the screen this price without the color screen... why? Well because many people don't want to pay it because pinball players will tell you it doesn't change game play. All of my old games have color screens, every single one. I value it but most do not. That is a fact. No one is going to pay extra just because it has a shaker either. Why would you it doesn't cost much at all... I do feel that when you go all out on a game you might get a bit more but not a lot. Dude you're talking to someone that has mod his games probably more than anyone on this entire website. Come by my house and I'll show you... I've powder coated every game, color screened every game, pinblade art every single game, and I buy tons of mods to improve the theming. I've realized however that no one cares that much one way or the other they just want the game. You might get a little bit more for powder coating, color screen but not a ton more. I can tell you this however my pirates JJP game is so modded up that I wouldn't sell mine for anything less than $11,500 at this point. The mods made the game look 10 times better, but mods don't really make every game look better. I've learned over time that mods are only worth it on a handful of games, most games you don't even notice. I do agree that depending on how the game is modded changes the game somewhat. Just a couple mods here and there is no big deal.

    Quoted from Lamprey:

    Apparently you haven't see the guys that had nice brass wireforms on their Shadow's and decided to powder coat them some shade of purple or something. That brings the value down for me.

    See that is an opinion... I think most people would prefer powder coating. But its the same thing as re=painting a car you do something and wild and custom you limit the people who would want it. I think most powder coating jobs are pretty much enhancing the game, and people like it. If someone does something nutty yeah I would agree otherwise I wouldn't.

    #79 3 days ago
    Quoted from drfrightner:

    You can't get full price back on your color screen you just can't. Most people I see marketing a game will say this price with the screen this price without the color screen... why? Well because many people don't want to pay it because pinball players will tell you it doesn't change game play. All of my old games have color screens, every single one. I value it but most do not. That is a fact. No one is going to pay extra just because it has a shaker either. Why would you it doesn't cost much at all... I do feel that when you go all out on a game you might get a bit more but not a lot. Dude you're talking to someone that has mod his games probably more than anyone on this entire website. Come by my house and I'll show you... I've powder coated every game, color screened every game, pinblade art every single game, and I buy tons of mods to improve the theming. I've realized however that no one cares that much one way or the other they just want the game. You might get a little bit more for powder coating, color screen but not a ton more. I can tell you this however my pirates JJP game is so modded up that I wouldn't sell mine for anything less than $11,500 at this point. The mods made the game look 10 times better, but mods don't really make every game look better. I've learned over time that mods are only worth it on a handful of games, most games you don't even notice. I do agree that depending on how the game is modded changes the game somewhat. Just a couple mods here and there is no big deal.

    I couldn't agree more that many of these mods make the games look a thousands times better (mine are all modded). Also I'm not arguing that one should expect much of a return on the mods. What I'm saying is that if I had a Met premium with color dmd, shaker, a few other mods that its not unreasonable to get an extra $300-$400 for the game (at least in my market) compared to the same game that has zero mods.....I've had a few buyers ask to remove the color dmd, which I happily did, but I'd say 90% want it once they see the game. The one mod that doesn't seem to get a lot of resale value is invisiglass/PDI (which I install on all my games)....so I typically just remove and install the original glass....

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