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Do fake high scores annoy you, and should they be addressed?


By sevenrites

4 years ago



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#1 4 years ago

Hello,

I couldn't help but notice a fake high score submitted for Tales from the Crypt which is blatantly obvious since TFTC scores in increments of 10 points.

The "high score" in question was posted by a TravisHooper34 and is linked below.

https://pinside.com/pinball/community/pinsiders/travishooper34/scores

Additionally, I grabbed a screen shot of his pics right from his profile page and there just happened to be his TFTC with #1 Keeper score listed at 229,969,300 - that pic has since been removed but I have it here - and you'll notice his new pic is the apron area of the game, but the lighting on his game in the new pic matches this pic of his real high score.

I've contacted pinside 2x about this and haven't received an answer.

I'm not trying to be extra nit picky or anything but I think this is BS.

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#2 4 years ago

Case closed..

#3 4 years ago

Yes, worse than the National Debt…

#4 4 years ago

It's outrageous.

#5 4 years ago

I think a Pinside commission needs to be formed to uncover this fraud.

Steve

#6 4 years ago

This would annoy me too. What's the point if scores aren't real.

#7 4 years ago

Scandalous!

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#8 4 years ago

what do scores really mean if you can adjust so many parameters on a pin anyway?

#9 4 years ago
Quoted from Biv:

what do scores really mean if you can adjust so many parameters on a pin anyway?

OR rack up points with the glass off. Then replace the glass, and lock down bar, and then take photos.
It really comes down to your judgment.

#10 4 years ago
Quoted from Darcy:

what do scores really mean if you can adjust so many parameters on a pin anyway?

OR rack up points with the glass off. Then replace the glass, and lock down bar, and then take photos.
It really comes down to your judgment.

True, and true, and I'm sure people can photoshop their high score pics as well. The idea is to try and preserve some type of integrity here, wherever possible, especially when it's very obviously a fake.

#11 4 years ago

No pinball plays exactly the same, there's always something a little different due to switch gaps, differing coil ohms, older or newer moving parts, differing rubber bounce, playfield waxed or not, glass on or off, etc. They all can make or break a high scoring game.

Steve

Quoted from Biv:

what do scores really mean if you can adjust so many parameters on a pin anyway?

#12 4 years ago

Does it really matter?

Each to their own, I guess. But I really couldn't be bothered to think twice about someone entering a score on a website.

Don't like the score? Mentally dismiss it!

#13 4 years ago

Blownfuse, I recognize your screename... I worked for 10 hours straight, over 100 games until I beat your Alien Star high score. That was a tough one. My apologies for knocking you off the top spot, but I sincerely appreciate the challenge you gave me there. I haven't hit higher than 3 billion since. I suppose that's why I take this subject a little more seriously. I appreciate legitimate high scores that give me some type of way to measure my skill on a game and something to work towards.

#14 4 years ago

LOL, good for you. Now I have something to shoot for. AS is a kick ass game.

Steve

Quoted from sevenrites:

Blownfuse, I recognize your screename... I worked for 10 hours straight, over 100 games until I beat your Alien Star high score. That was a tough one. My apologies for knocking you off the top spot, but I sincerely appreciate the challenge you gave me there. I haven't hit higher than 3 billion since.

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#15 4 years ago

I've never paid attention to those scores...but I really thought they were more for personal record keeping than as a way to compare skill level between players.

If it's important for other people to know how good you are - go play in tournaments or leagues.

#16 4 years ago

I wish thats all I had to worry about. Must be a slow day in the pinball world.......

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#17 4 years ago

If lying about pinball scores and posting them to Pinside makes them feel better, they will have a disappinting life ahead of them.

#18 4 years ago

This thread needs the AG.

#19 4 years ago

Has anyone informed the media of this travesty?

#20 4 years ago

Entering a fake score is stupid, but I don't think it needs to be addressed. Having low enough self-esteem to enter fake pinball scores on a website is enough of a punishment.

#21 4 years ago

Some people just have far too much time on their hands

#22 4 years ago
Quoted from Gorno:

Has anyone informed the media of this travesty?

So you're okay if I go over to Hotdoggin' and put in a fake 4,000,000+ point score I didn't work for and knock you out of the #1 spot you legitimately earned?

#23 4 years ago
Quoted from ryanwanger:

I've never paid attention to those scores...but I really thought they were more for personal record keeping than as a way to compare skill level between players.
If it's important for other people to know how good you are - go play in tournaments or leagues.

Exactly. You can't compare scores between different machines, anyway. Besides the fact that governing integrity is totally futile (anyone that wants to can cheat), games are all configured differently with different rule tweaks, and most obviously there are always physical differences that make a major difference. Flipper strength, flipper angle, game angle, condition of the playfield, waxing, state or type of the rubbers, position of outlane posts, and on and on.

Frankly I don't see the point of trying to beat others' scores if it's not on the exact same machine, but if you do want to, I think you're just going to have to accept that it's a casual thing without much oversight or seriousness or credibility.

#24 4 years ago
Quoted from sevenrites:

The idea is to try and preserve some type of integrity here, wherever possible

Amen!! Without truth we have nothing and pacifism is almost as unjustifiable as lying. We all should have the integrity to stand for honesty and not accept mistruths. While I do not care what anyone's score is, nor do I care how many, or what machines someone owns. I do care about the truth, truth is the anchor of reality. Everyone should care and speak against lies, it should be the responsibility of all of us as a community. You should be able to take someones word as truth, it may not be possible in the world, but it could be here, with just a little effort.

#25 4 years ago

No, they do not annoy me.

#26 4 years ago
Quoted from Elvisinmypants:

Amen!! Without truth we have nothing and pacifism is almost as unjustifiable as lying. We all should have the integrity to stand for honesty and not accept mistruths. While I do not care what anyone's score is, nor do I care how many, or what machines someone owns. I do care about the truth, truth is the anchor of reality. Everyone should care and speak against lies, it should be the responsibility of all of us as a community. You should be able to take someones word as truth, it may not be possible in the world, but it could be here, with just a little effort.

Anyone that wants to can cheat and there's nothing anyone can do to stop them. Fighting some kind of impassioned battle for truth when it is A - something as trivial as pinball scores that have no meaning anyway because they're on different machines and B - a situation where there is literally no way to detect if someone is telling the truth anyway, it is just an absurdly pointless endeavor. Just accept that the scores are for fun and don't really mean anything. If you want to play competitive pinball, go to a tournament.

#27 4 years ago
Quoted from Gorno:

Has anyone informed the media of this travesty?

Well considering I stated in that high score that I have the game set at easy; so go ahead. Those high scores will never be realistic. All machines would have to be set at factory levels, be functioning correctly, have the same incline and be level. And, we have to trust each other enough to not cheat with the glass off.

#28 4 years ago

In every single human activity that involves a scoring system, you'll find people cheating and faking their score. I guess it tells you a little something about humanity, though there's worst things we do.

Acknowledging it as the hidden rule of any ranking on the internet, where it's too complicated to see with certainty who cheats and who doesn't, can help getting some perspective on the matter. Disregard the dubious scores, or just disregard the entire leaderboard and forget about it, it will ease your mind.

#29 4 years ago
Quoted from aKa:

In every single human activity that involves a scoring system, you'll find people cheating and faking their score. I guess it tells you a little something about humanity, though there's worst things we do.
Acknowledging it as the hidden rule of any ranking on the internet, where it's too complicated to see with certainty who cheats and who doesn't, can help getting some perspective on the matter. Disregard the dubious scores, or just disregard the entire leaderboard and forget about, it will ease your mind.

There's a reason all sports have refs. Any system that doesn't account for human nature is a worthless system. Any person that expects people to not act like people is going to lead an angry, disappointed life.

#30 4 years ago

"Do fake high scores annoy you?"

I never knew they existed and now that I do, I still don't care. So the answer is no.

"and should they be addressed?"

See answer above.

#31 4 years ago
Quoted from pezpunk:

Anyone that wants to can cheat and there's nothing anyone can do to stop them. Fighting some kind of impassioned battle for truth when it is A - something as trivial as pinball scores that have no meaning anyway because they're on different machines and B - a situation where there is literally no way to detect if someone is telling the truth anyway, it is just an absurdly pointless endeavor. Just accept that the scores are for fun and don't really mean anything. If you want to play competitive pinball, go to a tournament.

I don't care about the lie, I care about the lying.

#32 4 years ago

Humans lie, that's all. Nothing really new about it ...

#33 4 years ago
Quoted from Elvisinmypants:

I don't care about the lie, I care about the lying.

I dunno man, expecting humanity to suddenly turn perfect seems like you're just looking for a reason to be outraged. May as well get mad that we aren't born with wings and halos.

#34 4 years ago

Not a big deal.

#35 4 years ago

This is why I snap a picture when I get a once-in-a-lifetime score:

https://pinside.com/pinball/archive/andromeda/scores

But really, the only scores that matter are those posted in a tournament or league.
I wish more people would share HOW they achieved their super-high scores. That's good information.

#36 4 years ago

Scores are for yourself - if you're posting fake scores on here, the joke is on you alone.

#37 4 years ago

I do that too.

Steve

Quoted from swampfire:

This is why I snap a picture when I get a once-in-a-lifetime score:

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#38 4 years ago

I thought this thread was gonna be about the fake high scores programmed into pinball machines lol

like in WWF Royal Rumble Tim 900m And 800m KLY 700m JST 600m Mar 500m Ied 400m
Hidden messages in high scores really gets me annoyed

#39 4 years ago

No. I don't post my high scores for anyone but me. I don't really care what anyone else thinks of them...

#40 4 years ago

The only fake ones on my machines are the ones without my initials.

Those never happened.

#41 4 years ago

If scores are so trivial, why even have a place to post them in the first place? If you are going to have a place to show off scores, you may as well have some rules to govern them. Of course you can't catch every cheat, but when one is as blatant as this, why not give em the boot?

#42 4 years ago
Quoted from ryanwanger:

I've never paid attention to those scores...but I really thought they were more for personal record keeping than as a way to compare skill level between players.
If it's important for other people to know how good you are - go play in tournaments or leagues.

Exactly this.

I get why the OP is disappointed. It would be awesome if there was some sort of online way to compare skill outside of the tournament format with some assurance that it's reasonably legit. For example, I play FPS games on the PC but I don't have an interest in tournament play. Still, I can see how I rank globally in casual play (though, it should be noted there is plenty of abuse even in live, casual play to boost rankings).

Unfortunately there's too much variability game to game. Tournaments and leagues are the closest we have to measuring skill with the fewest number of random variables.

It would be kind of cool if games were shipped with a "high score settings mode", which is the standard settings for achieving high scores, outlane peg hole position, etc. Then if players recorded their games they could show that they opened the coin-door and put the game in that mode prior to starting the game, as well as other physical settings. Or it could be agreed that factory default settings are used for that purpose.

Still, without an extremely consistent tilt mechanism, which I think would need to be digital, that one difference can have a major impact on score.

#43 4 years ago

Who cares about someone else's high score? You can modify the game in numerous ways, tighten the outlanes, remove the tilt bob, put all settings on easy, level the playfield, 5 ball play, etc. Every pin plays a little different, too. Unless you are competing on the same machine with the same settings, it's all meaningless.

#44 4 years ago

Everyone who plays my machines knows my scores are for real. No one would dare fake such poor scores...

#45 4 years ago
Quoted from sevenrites:

The "high score" in question was posted by a TravisHooper34 and is linked below.

You do realize that if you remove the glass and have quick hands can have any score you want, right?

#46 4 years ago

It's not even that great of a high score. If you're going to cheat at least make it a 1,000,000,000+

#47 4 years ago

my fake score is better than your fake score!

#48 4 years ago
Quoted from BobC:

my fake score is better than your fake score!

Maybe. But you did yours with the glass off. I paid somebody to do mine.

#49 4 years ago

Technically related to this thread,
I'll take a photo of this Crazy Insane! High Roller Casino score at a local bar!
Christ it's insane!!!

#50 4 years ago

I have some decent high scores listed on here. Some in the top 15 on the respective games. Are there guys who score higher and don't list them? Probably. Are some of the insane high scores bogus? Possibly. Do I give a crap either way? Absolutely not! Its just pinball. If I was single, I wouldn't be whipping out my high score to pick up ladies. Who really cares?

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