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Do EM's seem like they play in slow motion


By the9gman

3 months ago



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    #1 3 months ago

    I started this hobby in January with an old em I played as a kid (Jungle) fixed the whole machine up and the flippers were terrible even though I had rebuilt them and got the EOS switch set so they would work as hard as they could and I was still disappointed in their performance. Then I found Budwins post on making them DC which worked rather well ....he used a full wave rectifier with a 12 ohm high watt resistor attached to the hold coil ....I found this worked well but made the flippers too hot so I added a 1 ohm 5W resistor in line with the EOS switch cuts the pull in voltage to 16v and doesn't break plastic. Made the game a lot more fun. I ended up doing the same thing to a Sure Shot and made that one better but the fact of the matter is when I played my SS machines and switch over to the EM's it seemed like I was playing in slow motion. I sold both those machines and got two more SS units which are really fast. Recently picked up a Solar City because I like to tinker with the EM's, it just amazes me how they did all that with relays and stepper switches. Went thru the whole machine and made everything work again fired it up and again slow motion and dismal flipper performance after rebuilding and adjusting all of them the top ones are ok but readjusted the bottom they still seem like a lot of the shots are air balls. It was 45 years ago that I started playing pinball and I don't remember these things being that slow , but maybe they were or maybe the main transformers are a lot less efficient as they age. Since this new machine was bought to do a conversion down the road , I may just hot it up to see what happens by making the lower flippers DC and adding a rectifier and resistor to the bumpers then change to a higher angle

    #3 3 months ago

    yep dc does make a hot flipper, thus the reason for the 1 ohm resistor. I usually end up touching up the play field and clear coating then waxing. Hopefully that will make this thing a little less floaty

    #6 3 months ago

    did almost all that , inspected all plungers took care of any burs buffed and polished all of them checked the linkage....these pop bumpers are weird ...usually they have a contact that opens when the bumper is pulled all the way down, these don't they have an external relay that is used as a momentary on and I don't think the bumper gets the full amount of power to properly activate which makes them weak.

    #9 3 months ago

    I have 3 80b's that are fast that's when I notice the difference. I got my Monte Carlo and that was when I noticed that my first two EM machines were a lot slower even with flipper improvements. So I sold them and got two more 80b's then I got this machine and it definitely feels like the dark ages. My plan was to rehab it and play it until it comes up on the retheme block where I intend to make it a SS machine. I'm in the process of making major changes and retheming a Raven right now. I agree with you dc is much faster. The only reason I bought this one was because it has 15 drop targets which will fit with the new theme. In the mean time I will go with jazzing it up and waxing the crap out of it

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    #12 3 months ago

    Ok so I may have learned a lesson here. Finally finished My Solar City. New Rubbers ,play field cleaned ,lot of ball swirls tried the magic eraser trick don't really like cleaning the residue so switched to just plain scotch brite and an alcohol mixture. The paint on this thing is incredible to take that abuse. after all that had to clear coat then wax. The other night I was playing my Raven and granted the playfield is roached ,broken mylar cracks and the original clear coat flaking off and can not get it off without taking off paint that is why this will be re themed. I took the ball out and polished the crap out of it on a buffer to a high gloss mirror finish, the thing is like a hockey puck on Ice. So, I did the same thing to the new ball on the Solar City machine .........that alone makes it a lot faster .......and the original style Gottlieb flippers make you have to play strategically between the upper and lower flippers .....I actually kind of like it , must have played 20 games on it tonight so its ready for the line up.
    The Moral of the story is .........if you want to play faster .....polish the shit out of your balls

    #14 3 months ago

    yep and got away with it , wouldn't you know a machine I didn't care about ....planning to play the crap out of it and then turn it into a custom machine next year with a home brew playfield, turned out so nice .....wouldn't recommend this any more then magic eraser because you have to clear coat afterwards

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