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DMDMK64 new DMD multicolor by pinballsp is on the way

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#701 5 years ago
Quoted from Crash:

Any word on 128x16 availability and price?

 

I had some problems locating the PLCC Z80 processor, I think I'll solve it soon. I do not want to use it in DIP format, to keep the entire PCB board with the surface mounting components, so the whole assembly is automated with the Pick and Place machine that I bought recently.

 

 

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#702 5 years ago

 

A new member for the DMDMK66 family is practically ready. It is a Multicolor DMD 128x64, for vintage machines such as the Rage in the Cage and other similar from the same period and even later.

The plasma DMD stopped being manufactured some time ago, and at the moment the new DMDMK66 128x64 would be the only solution worldwide, to replace the original plasma.

Like the rest of DMDMK66, it also allows you to configure the colors, palettes and brightness level. The product is 100% plug and play, does not need any special wiring, just remove the old DMD, put the new one with the same cables and connectors, and it works immediately, without licenses or activations.

Like all DMDMK66, it will also support advanced image-to-image coloring, based on the Magic Color Editor. All free firmware updates from the DMDMK66 Github. As soon as I can, I'll upload a video of this screen running with a Rage in the Cage CPU.

 

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#703 5 years ago

That's pretty cool.

I don't think affordable panels at that density are available yet (give it a couple of years), but what would it take to do simple software upscaling of 128*32 games? A 256*64 panel?

#704 5 years ago

I do not think you can improve the image, simply by doubling the amount of points on the screen, if you do not recreate all the animations again, it is something similar to the remake of the Attack from Mars. It has much more resolution, but it is clear that all the animations have been done again, even if they are similar.

The smallest dot pitch of current LED panels is approximately 1.5 mm, and it is very expensive, it is not even enough to double the dot density for the current 128x32 screens. Also, you would have to do all the animations again, that would be very expensive.

#705 5 years ago

You're talking about two totally different things, though.

4x the dots in the same area (a hypothetical 256x64 panel) would make it look quite a bit better, in my view. Simply due to higher density.

What they're doing on the remakes is another kettle of fish entirely, and completely beyond the scope of either community or commercial solutions without serious scale (I include you & ColorDMD in that). Not only are the animations, art and colouring completely new, but at a far higher resolution. You need a paid team working on that.

Anyway, academic for now, since the panels don't yet exist.

#706 5 years ago

 
I do not know if increasing the resolution of the panel, without creating the animations again at higher resolution, can improve something, besides these panels would be much more expensive.

In fact, the DMD's based on TFT screen that increase the number of dots artificially (by interpolation) to try to offer a "high resolution" image, get the opposite, the appearance of the image is terribly bad. Although this goes to the taste of each one.

Interpolation can soften the images a bit, but with low resolution images like those of a pinball, it is worse, the image becomes distorted. I know people who have tried those DMT TFT with that option activated, and they have deactivated it immediately due to how terribly bad it looked.

It's like supposing that watching a DVD movie (720x576) on a 4K TV is going to look better, due to the fact that the TV has a much higher resolution than a Full HD or an CRT TV.

#707 5 years ago
Quoted from pinballsp:

 
I do not know if increasing the resolution of the panel, without creating the animations again at higher resolution, can improve something, besides these panels would be much more expensive.
In fact, the DMD's based on TFT screen that increase the number of dots arficicially (by interpolation) to try to offer a "high resolution" image, get the opposite, the appearance of the image is terribly bad. Although this goes to the taste of each one.
Interpolation can soften the images a bit, but with low resolution images like those of a pinball, it is worse, the image becomes distorted. I know people who have tried those DMT TFT with that option activated, and they have deactivated it immediately due to how terribly bad it looked.
It's like supposing that watching a DVD movie (720x576) on a 4K TV is going to look better, due to the fact that the TV has a much higher resolution than a Full HD or an CRT TV.

The interpolated 'HD' on Smart / Color DMD are much more than double horizontal and double vertical, I think. Also, the gaps are completely filled (to the eye) on an LCD. Hence the smeared look.

So should the LED panels appear at a reasonable price at some point in the future, I think it's worth thinking about.

#708 5 years ago

 
I think we'll have to wait long enough for LED panels of 1.25 mm RGB dot pitch and with good price. I do not know if it is possible, a dot pich RGB so small.

Also to control so many dots, calculating in real time the interpolation and also applying advanced color, will be necessary a more powerful hardware, for example the new NXP microcontroller that is released this June, the RT1020, an ARM Cortex M7 at 500Mhz. It is a processor that I will try, for new projects, as soon as it is available in the distributors, in June or July.

#709 5 years ago

Better off just waiting for oled prices to come down and just use sheets of oled, you can can draw the dots how you want, get the nice rich bright colour of oled. You would want to swap to FPGA though! (basically a colorDMD but with oled screen) Almost certain colorDMD will be keeping there eye on oled technology and will jump when prices have dropped.

#710 5 years ago

Mid-size OLEDs might never be a thing, now. At least, not affordable ones.

Emissive quantum dot is more likely - simply because it doesn't have the 'decay' issues to overcome, and because any number of OEMs will be capable of manufacturing it, rather than 2-3 total with OLEDs larger than 2-3".

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#711 5 years ago

 
Due to the recent acquisition of Github by Microsoft, I have decided to migrate to Gitlab.

From now on, all downloads of Firmware Updates, Manuals and Documents of my projects will be available at the following address of Gitlab. https://gitlab.com/pinballsp

Therefore, downloads of firmware updates for DMDMK66 displays can be made from this web address.
https://gitlab.com/pinballsp/DMDMK66

The Github account will keep it for the time being, but it will no longer be updated, I will probably delete it.

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#712 5 years ago

Wow sorry to hear that, but glad at the same time you’re moving to a new repository platform.

#713 5 years ago
Quoted from Crash:

Wow sorry to hear that, but glad at the same time you’re moving to a new repository platform.

Github still works, for now, but I do not like to have anything controlled by Microsoft, it is a company that destroys everything it touches and abuses its economic power by buying everything with money.

Many Github users are migrating to Gitlab, for the same reason. There are many open source projects on Github, and now it is under the control of Microsoft, which is quite rare, because it is a company that only thinks about monopoly and crushing competitors, buying companies and patenting everything.

https://about.gitlab.com/2018/06/03/movingtogitlab/
https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/technology/gitlab-sees-huge-traffic-spike-after-news-of-microsoft-buying-github/
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#714 5 years ago

 

I added the DMDMK66 Multicolor displays to the Pinside Shop and activated it, to place orders more easily.

https://pinside.com/pinball/my-biz/shop/inventory

Although it is also possible to place the orders by email [email protected], private forum message, Facebook private message https://www.facebook.com/Pinballsp, Skype pinballsp or Whatsapp +34693344445.

Finally I got a cheap freight cost for USA and Canada, only 49 euros for any DMDMK66, Europe 26 Euros and Spain/Portugal 8 Euros. All shipments by Courier with tracking number to trace online by internet.

I keep also cheap prices for displays, 128x32 only 189 Euros, SEGA 192x64 only 265 Euros. For the new 128x64 and 128x16 I will update price soon.

 
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#715 5 years ago
Quoted from pinballsp:

 
Due to the recent acquisition of Github by Microsoft, I have decided to migrate to Gitlab.
The Github account will keep it for the time being, but it will no longer be updated, I will probably delete it.

I would not do that, since you have printed that URL on the back of some of your displays (at least the 128x64 one posted earlier). Better keep it and refer to Gitlab from there.

#716 5 years ago
Quoted from mgpasman:

I would not do that, since you have printed that URL on the back of some of your displays (at least the 128x64 one posted earlier). Better keep it and refer to Gitlab from there.

Yes, I know, but I put a warning message in my Github account to redirect users to Gitlab. And in the next PCB boards I will replace the printed text of the link to Github with that of Gitlab.

#717 5 years ago
Quoted from pinballsp:

Github still works, for now, but I do not like to have anything controlled by Microsoft, it is a company that destroys everything it touches and abuses its economic power by buying everything with money.
Many Github users are migrating to Gitlab, for the same reason. There are many open source projects on Github, and now it is under the control of Microsoft, which is quite rare, because it is a company that only thinks about monopoly and crushing competitors, buying companies and patenting everything.
https://about.gitlab.com/2018/06/03/movingtogitlab/
https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/technology/gitlab-sees-huge-traffic-spike-after-news-of-microsoft-buying-github/

I was sorry to hear the news that Microsoft is buying GitHub, not you moving to GitLab. I don't think it was misinterpreted but I wanted to say that in just case.

#718 5 years ago
Quoted from Crash:

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I was sorry to hear the news that Microsoft is buying GitHub, not you moving to GitLab. I don't think it was misinterpreted but I wanted to say that in just case.

Yes, I understood it from the beginning, thanks Crash.

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#719 5 years ago

Any progress on a 128x16 display?

#720 5 years ago
Quoted from Crash:

Any progress on a 128x16 display?

Hello

With my Pick and Place machine working, I hope finish all pending projects this summer. The Creature Holomod kit, Dmdmk66 128x16 and fisrt Advanced Color firmware for all Dmdmk66, are the priorities.

#721 5 years ago

PM sent.

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#722 5 years ago

 
DMDMK66 128x64, already available in the Pinballsp Facebook shop. As soon as possible I will do more pictures and videos of display working in a full game.
This new color display replaces the old plasma that is no longer manufactured.

https://www.facebook.com/Pinballsp
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#723 5 years ago

 

The Multicolor DMDMK66 128x32 display already supports Stern Spike. Today latest tests, and everything has worked perfectly.

Like the other brands, it works with Auto Detection, this means that it is not necessary to configure anything so that the firmware automatically detects all the pinball manufacturers supported by the firmware.

As of today, DMDMK66 128x32 supports all Bally / Williams, Data East, Capcom, Stern / SEGA WhiteStar, Stern SAM, Stern Spike and Spinball.

In development Gottlieb, Advanced Coloring image by image and Virtual Pinball.

As soon as I can I will make a video of the DMD installed in a pinball Spike, playing a game, since the CPU on the work bench does not allow to start a game without having all the boards. I will also upload to Gitlab and Github, the new version v1.84 Final with full Spike support.

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#724 5 years ago

I think what everyone's waiting for is "Advanced Coloring image by image".

#725 5 years ago
Quoted from rubberducks:

I think what everyone's waiting for is "Advanced Coloring image by image".

Yes, I know, a Panamanian programmer is working with the coloring software, meanwhile I can finish the creature's hologram kit. I am also testing a new and more powerful microcontroller for the Color Processor hardware (not for the DMD), an NXP RT1020 Cortex M7 at 500 Mhz.

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#726 5 years ago

 

The DMDMK66 family continues to increase, in this case it is an adaptation of the 192x64 model's firmware for these vintage bowling machines, PRO Striker and COSMIC PRO Striker.

Now I am studying the changes that will be made in the DMDMK66 firmware, and soon it will also be compatible with the Multicolor DMDMK66 192x64 display.I am pleased to provide spare parts for old machines, which would otherwise not be repairable, in addition to giving them a better appearance with new color Displays that make the product more attractive and eye-catching to the player.

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#727 5 years ago

Dude... Any Williams pins pictures or video? I'm interested in a few myself but I'd like to see them in action before I pull the trigger.

#728 5 years ago
Quoted from lurch:

Dude... Any Williams pins pictures or video? I'm interested in a few myself but I'd like to see them in action before I pull the trigger.

 
Hello.

In my Facebook and Youtube channel, there are some videos of DMDMK66 in a Bally/Williams.

Also there are pictures and videos in my Pinside shop and Facebook
https://pinside.com/pinball/market/shops/1097-pinballsp/01682-dmdmk66-128x32-multicolor-100-plug-and-play

 

 

#729 5 years ago
Quoted from lurch:

Dude... Any Williams pins pictures or video? I'm interested in a few myself but I'd like to see them in action before I pull the trigger.

Had it in my Twilight Zone. Good Hardware, but without a coloring software it is only a spare part for a crashed Original Display.

#730 5 years ago

To each his own, I personally am pretty content with the 4 color palette.

#731 5 years ago
Quoted from Crash:

To each his own, I personally am pretty content with the 4 color palette.

Do you have to colorize to the 4 colors or does the game guess on its own?

#732 5 years ago

You have to configure the 4 colors.

#733 5 years ago

I do hope a colouring option is available soon.

PIN2DMD is pretty much dead now, as anything other than a self assembly project. Anyone would be absolutely mad to order from Dominik / GGS again, and pinballsp has now stopped selling his PIN2DMD compatible units.

#734 5 years ago
Quoted from rubberducks:

I do hope a colouring option is available soon.
PIN2DMD is pretty much dead now, as anything other than a self assembly project. Anyone would be absolutely mad to order from Dominik / GGS again, and pinballsp has now stopped selling his PIN2DMD compatible units.

Hopefully someone else will start assembling them and selling them. ive done ~10 of them myself and its very easy. They cost me about $100 each, maybe up to $120 each after activation and an SD card etc. I just don't have time to assemble and sell them but somebody could do it and make money.

#735 5 years ago

The problem with PIN2DMD is the product is poorly designed and the people involved are untrustworthy. There have been multiple cases of DOA kits and Dom leaving customers hanging after he has taken their money.

#736 5 years ago
Quoted from Crash:

The problem with PIN2DMD is the product is poorly designed and the people involved are untrustworthy. There have been multiple cases of DOA kits and Dom leaving customers hanging after he has taken their money.

Pin2dmd isn't a product. It's still a DIY project for people that like to build their own display replacement. You only need an acrylic mounting frame, two led panels, a shield, a Nucleo Dev board and some cheap electronic parts. Easy to assemble. I run three of these self build in my machines, never have had any problems.

It's true that customer of GGS had reported serveral problems with GGS, but there is no business relationship between Dom (GGS) and pin2dmd. Dom was offering ready to use kits that can be used with pin2dmd firmware. Just like pinballsp does (or did).

Br Steve

#737 5 years ago

 
Improving my work tools, for a better quality control of the product, and a faster assembly and test.

I have designed a board to check the LED panels (before assembling them in the DMD), and the DMDs once assembled. The board allows to test 64x32 and 64x64 led panels, activating the basic colors, red, green and blue, individually or mixed, so I can detect quickly if any led fails, to not mount that panel in a DMD. I have add support to check a special P2 led panels based on ICN2038S chip controller, a headache of panel not compatible with any other version.

The second function of this board is a DMD tester, it generates signals that emulate those of each pinball manufacturer, with the option to visualize a pattern or a fixed color (red, green, blue or mixtures). I can generate signals also for DMD of 192x64 and 128x16. I add a micro SD card holder for other functions that I can think of, for example to test splash screens with animated GIFs, etc ...

My second tool is mechanical. It is about acrylic supports to align the led panels, at the time of assembling the DMD. The manual alignment is not so perfect and it takes longer. With these brackets based on square pieces, the panels are perfectly aligned instantly, then I can place the PCB and screw it to the panels, which are always held by the support to prevent them from misaligning.

Although all these tools are for my use, I think it is interesting to show what I am improving the production process to offer a product of the highest quality.

As for the DMD features, it is improving little by little, recently added Spike, which already works 100%, only need to add Gottlieb and virtual Pinball, so that the firmware is finished in terms of supported pinball manufacturers. Also the Advanced Coloring that is so much in demand, we are working on it, I would like to release the first version as soon as the summer ends.

 
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#738 5 years ago

Today I replaced the DMD in Dracula with Luis's display. The process was absolutely quick and painless and took about 10 minutes. Step by step:

1. The existing plasma display. The lines were caused by a broken trace on the DMD driver board which was repaired before putting the new display in.

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2. Removing the old DMD and cardboard high voltage shield.

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3. Removing the high voltage fuses from the DMD driver board since I do not want unneeded high voltage present at the connector.

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4. Cutting the existing plastic standoffs in half so the new display will have a flush fit against the speaker panel pads.

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5. Unboxing the new display. Luis took the time to seal it in shrink wrap which was cleanly done and protected the DMD during international freight shipment all the way from Spain. The box and plastic arrived undamaged.

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6. Fitting the new display which rests perfectly on the new makeshift standoffs.

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7. Connecting the +12v/+5v power and data cables and securing the screws.

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8. Discarding the original cardboard shield as it is unneeded and will not fit anyway. The heat from the original Quantum DMD from the driver ICs made this brittle and even split the cardboard.

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9. Re-installing the speaker panel and done! The brightness is immediately superior to plasma (and this is on the stock setting). Currently only the brightest dots show through the red filter, but we will be getting a replacement speaker panel face with a clear window. I have a Comet DMD Glare Eliminator filter I have ready for the new face and will upload more photos of this when done. The contrast appears much better in person.

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#739 5 years ago

 
Thanks for your support Crash.

The red filter on the front panel, it came from the factory?. If you do not remove it, that filter completely disables the multicolored, because white turns it red, orange turns red and blue practically disappears. At the end it looks like a single-color red screen, when it really is multicolored display.

It's a shame, because the multicolor effect, even with an automatic coloring system based on brightness levels, is spectacular compared to a conventional plasma, mainly if colors are chosen correctly for a specified machine.

The original cardboard shield was probably put on by the manufacturer to protect the user and nearby circuits from possible high voltage discharges. My DMDs do not use any of those high voltages, everything goes in low voltage DC, no problem if you do not put the cardboard protector.

#740 5 years ago

Yes, the entire front panel is printed on red translucent plastic and is designed that way from the factory. I will be getting a repro one with a clear window from Jeff at Classic Arcades when the budget allows. In the meantime I'll just set it to white monochrome.

#742 5 years ago

 
It is already official, after some tests and some modifications in the firmware, DMDMK66 192x64 already supports the COSMIC PRO Striker and PRO Striker machines.

As soon as I send these screens to a user in Argentina, who bought them from me to restore these machines, I hope to publish a video of the screen running with the game on the machine.

I will also publish videos of the DMDMK66 128x64 working in the Rage in the Cage, as soon as I send the pending order of shipment that I have to the United States.
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#743 5 years ago
Quoted from pinballsp:

 
I had some problems locating the PLCC Z80 processor, I think I'll solve it soon. I do not want to use it in DIP format, to keep the entire PCB board with the surface mounting components, so the whole assembly is automated with the Pick and Place machine that I bought recently.
 
 

Any luck finding a surface mount Z80 CPU?

#744 5 years ago
Quoted from Crash:

Any luck finding a surface mount Z80 CPU?

 

Yes, no problem, I already have several suppliers for Z80 PLCC. Now I'm busy with the Hologram Kit for the Creature and the Advanced Color for the DMDMK66, I want to release both this month. Then I will prepare the final version for the 128x16 screen.

 

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#745 5 years ago

We are still working with the Magic Color Tool Editor for the Advanced Coloring in the DMDMK66 and other future DMDs (which I am still thinking about designing).

The editing and coloring part is quite advanced, although there are still things to fix and try. Of the tools of colored, need yet add the two assistants of colored fast by pencil and fill (special assisted option, not the basic, I will detail when available), and the intelligent coloring image to image. It is also pending the option of importing projects, with two options, importing from Color Processor files and importing from Source files, the first option will give us the game practically colored, without the need to waste time coloring by hand, leaving only to add the masks and the Keyframes.

Meanwhile, I am testing the new RT1020 Cortex M7 processor at 500Mhz, as I said, but I have designed a new board, which although it is not the final design, will allow me to try advanced matters such as colored image to image, mainly with 192x64 animations that need the faster hardware. The final version will employ the 144-pin processor, with an additional SDRAM memory of 512 Mb, which will store the colored game and the program for very fast access.

I have some more surprises, but for now I prefer not to give details, to avoid being copied for those that we all already know (they are experts in copying what others do, and then they complain otherwise, that they have been copied, we just have to see how they have COPYED the design of my DMDST32 board, as if it were the most normal thing in the world).

Now I am dedicating myself mainly to the Hologram mod for the Creature, because it is more priority, but I do not stop doing and try things for the Advanced Coloring of the DMDMK66 (and new future models of DMD).

If I can, as soon as the product is ready, I would like to offer it already with some games totally colored and ready to use, like the Baywatch of course, and some of the main ones of 128x32 (The Theater of Magic, Monster Bash, Medieval Madnes, Attack from Mars, The Addams Family, Indiana Jones)

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#746 5 years ago
Quoted from pinballsp:

I have some more surprises, but for now I prefer not to give details, to avoid being copied by those we all already know (they are experts in copying what others do, and then they complain otherwise, that they have been copied, we just have to see how they have COPYED the design of my DMDST32 board, as if it were the most normal thing in the world).

Dude, you where literally LAST to the after market led DMD's so this quote is quite laughable.

#747 5 years ago

Would be interesting to see some pics that are NOT available public. For now I see only things I’ve already seen from competition, let’s see some MSF or GB or else, just things no one else has done before!

#748 5 years ago

well no MSF is already being worked on (by me) guess I better throw a thread up when I get home so I don't get accused of copying someone!

#749 5 years ago
Quoted from Malenko:

well no MSF is already being worked on (by me) guess I better throw a thread up when I get home so I don't get accused of copying someone!

Nice, waiting for thread!

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