Very interesting, thanks Eric!

How much of your view of the T lite is blocked with that on there? Doesn't look like too much?

I find an opinion to be more believable when done with tact.

Just sayin...

I can see all of it except maybe 1/8", someone 5' tall loses about an inch off the bottom.
On ELVIS since the chasing marquee is lower it fit in the PF glass channel so I only need the larger one at the bottom and it doesn't block it at all no matter how tall or short you are but for a kid it blocks about an inch of the DMD.
They do look funky from a side view but from the player's position you don't notice them and they block 100% of the glare.
Here is a vid of the Elvis prototype from ArcadeUpkeep, looks great but the glare had to be addressed since the glare took out half the PF.

I figured it evens it out, for the ones that praise the hell out of it, thinking it's worth it's weight in gold. So every chance they get to say how perfect it is. I have to chime in showing the other side of the fence. Then people can base their opinion off that.

And for Bryan. You've seen me for many years. You know how I am. I try to throw it up as upfront as I can. No beating around the bush here.

And to even it out, I can't be soft about it. When you have this side expressing themselves like this.
" stuff is so awesome, it's the greatest thing since sliced bread, I want to have it's children".

And if I could come back with.
"it doesn't live up it's expectations".

Seems a little one sided. Doesn't it. People arn't really going to feel the negative effects.

But if retort with
"this stuff is fucking shit. I wouldn't take it someone gave it to me for free". Now you can see how the pro's and cons are fairly even. that's why I use the "tact" I do sometimes.

I can see with how big they have to be it could be a bit intrusive. Thanks for looking into it for us. Thanks to Tracelifter for posting the directions and pictures!

Sorry little late to the party. Tracelifter did describe how to make them on a different thread I believe. I may give it a shot and just install when I play.

http://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/jersey-jack-invisiglass-has-a-scratch-in-it#post-388474

Please keep in mind that pinball pal is not currently taking orders and has not been for a while.

I order stuff from them all the time and completely missed that material.
4 sheets on order to make some guards for my machines that I have been putting off.

What angle did you end up using for your guards?

Thanks again for posting the link.

Personally I would never spend that kind of coin on a sheet of glass but when you do there is a certain level of performance expected, when that does not happen you have to feel ripped off. For those that love the glass and happy with the purchase what another person says should not matter if you are truly pleased. A good point was made that the PDI glass was originally marketed to eliminate the glare. Since that did not seemingly happen the selling point changed to optical quality or "invisible". That is a different direction entirely and for the cost should do both IMHO.

The "money to burn" comment is pretty mundane. I am sure a lot of people would think its crazy to drop that kind of money on a sheet of glass ( I do) but my friends make fun of me because every time a shop a new game I use a new piece of PF glass and its only $25.

Use a square or straight edge and a razor knife to score length and width and snap it to size.
Angle is 40 degrees.
I used 2x6 stock to make the mold to bend it on and a propane torch to heat the plastic.
The sheets are not a full 12x24 they are 11 7/8 x 23 7/8.

Also be certain that you make the bend so the textured side of the ABS is facing down towards the playfield. Otherwise you will be creating another form of glare.

For those wanting convenience, you can buy DMD Glare Guards from Pinball Life
http://www.pinballlife.com/index.php?p=product&id=1099

They are also available at:
Bay Area Amusements.com

Flipper Fidelity.com

Pinball Decals.com

Top Score Game Rooms.com

and Rob Anthony carries them in his booth at all of the shows and his web site:
Lock When Lit.com

Kim

Thx guys!

How much "lip" did you allow for sliding under the head?

One inch.

Almost forgot. Also available at my website: www.WrongCrowdProductions.com

Kim

Wondering same. Looks like pinballlife dropped it?

I just stick mine in the plastic track for the back of the glass. Easier.

Pinbits carries it:

http://www.pinbits.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=62&products_id=390

Yep but that's the polarized stuff and currently they are sold out.

I have a bunch of this stuff left from when I made my own if anyone wants some. I agree with pinbits, this stuff is almost like magic. It is amazingly effective and is virtually undetectable (beyond the fact that the DMD reflections disappear). I cut mine larger than the ones from pinbits because I wanted to be able to just slide them behind the dmd without even having to take the display out. I can pop mine into a machine in 10 seconds and then take it back out if I want to switch to another machine. Here are some pics of what my STTNG looks like with them out and then installed.

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That stuff works great and it also takes the white look out of the PinLed alphanumeric displays and makes them look more like the originals.
Drawback is that it darkens the DMD and you still have the BB glare to deal with.

BB glare?

Is that back box glare?

Marcus

Yes.

Thanks for posting, jrobinso99. That was very helpful

I will skip reading most of these posts and get right to the point. Kim (Mr 68) of Wrong Crowd productions has made an easy to use, affordable and effective product. I have no idea how many I have bought at this point over the years but for me they are perfect. I have a light controlled room where the biggest issue is the DMD. The main room has 11 pins in a row and you would never know they are installed from looking at them but they do the job.

I just got another batch of the DMD glare film I used in the STTNG pictures. I wound up sending all mine out to pinsiders so I had none left for my own pins I have about 15 left and they are $20 each shipped. PM me if interested.