Wanted to say a huge thanks to you, for making this open source! I was not only able to get a black hole revived from a barn, but was also able to use my phone with the lisy web browser as a troubleshooting tool. Had a gi/ switch short and was able to troubleshoot easily with this. Had one minor issue with getting bad Roms but was easy enough to fix with your help!

I hope you have Williams in mind!

Also any update on the gottlieb displays?
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Awesome! Also you have the gerber file for the led insert?

@bontago any plans for Bally or gottlieb driver boards? I’m about to mess with some pcb design software for driver boards and might bounce some ideas off you

Just ran into an issue with mine, have had this this system 80 board working like a charm for weeks now, was doing some gi troubleshooting. Turned the game on and off and got stuck at wait for pi. Checked for leds and no switch led.

Things noted switch pic18f was super hot, and now my lisy green led is dim?

Tried booting with usb and keep getting error

Any help would be great!

Edit can no longer get lisy to boot almost seems as if the pi is freezing. Also found the 47k network array had had a short on 2 switches replaced that with no joy. I can’t also run a debug

That was it thanks! Now have enough PICs to build about 8 boards. Thanks for the assistance

I had to goto mouser a few weeks back

https://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Bourns/4609X-101-563LF?qs=Y%252BBfgPVcerTdtuQqhwttmQ%3D%3D

365 in stock, I think I grabbed 10 last time since it was cheaper for 10 then 2

That’s bight they don’t, didn’t even think about that.

That’s brilliant! I’ve been doing some digging is see that almost all are using mofset, and saw your lisy home is based off lisy 80 so in theory if I or we could get the output to pins set up we could essentially just use that boards general structure and get all in puts and out puts routes for card connectors? Would be great to seat a 50 pin idc connector to hook up both boards together and ditch the interconnect.

Also started to do some digging into using micro controllers to control banks of lights and do away with some transistors but that’s way above my pay grade.

Welcome it’s a great set up, after building a lisy80 have ordered almost very gerber Ralf has published. It’s rock solid stuff

If any one needs, sound cards, lamp testers, pic programs, or gottlieb power supply or -35 boards let me know can do them at cost plus shipping. Or if some does a bulk order for some display pcbs can go that route as well.

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Hey everyone about to do a decent sized order for displays if you’d like to get on it please let me know.

Bally
Gottlieb 6 digit
Williams 6-9
11ab 4 square like seen on data east, swords of fury etc

Ones used on high speed etc top row alpha bottom 7 digit

Nope we can add 7 digits to the order and believe I can use 7 digits in a 6 digit game just need to look into it

Really enjoying this, kinda put “fun” back into restoring

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I used a tip120 as well, what I had on hand.

Also if anyone in the USA needs a complete diy kit Including mpu with sound card (minus PIC’s and pi... PIC where around $4 a chip and all mine are accounted for ) I have a ton of spares of everything and went overboard on mouser. Will throw in some extra spares so you will have those on hand.

I can also assemble the board as well, just trying to recoup some cost back.

Sent an email to Ralf, jlc found an error with the smd placement on 4 items.

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Thanks for that catch! Long day coupled with multiple items.

Hey Ralf! Jlc took just (last night) took all your files with no problem, and all my stuff is in production
Even the most recents.

bontango i have the ball bowler roms for the bally conversion ball bowler games i can send to you to add to the list.

It’s like shuffle alley but with a 4” ball, essentially the same Roms with some minor tweaks. Not sure on the pinmame I’ll look into it

If anyone in the USA needs 7 segments I have close to 100 common cathode, in 1” color is white with black back ground. Went with white to make any color I felt needed with a filter. Pricing will destroy mouser at $.75 a cube

Same mounting and pitch just slightly bigger, I’ll post a picture up to compare to an old board

Here’s the 1” in comparison to a gottlieb

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And to a system 11

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Should be here by Friday I’m hoping. Judging by the data sheet I was provided they should be the same foot print. But if they’re not I’ll be building a bunch of segmented clocks with Arduinos.

Also if anyone is looking for a us based manufacturer for segments here’s a company based out of ny, amazon has them but anything ic, resistor, etc I’ve gotten from amazon has been junk. Was sent 5 cd1450 and to save on packaging they sandwiched the chips together. Needless to say they didn’t work.

https://www.lc-led.com/Catalog/department/36/category/49/67

Files worked great! Time to get to work

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System 11 displays

If anyone needs a set of gottlieb displays got my original ones working, smd assembled. Also have 4 credit displays up for grabs

bontango any good source for black hole sound files? ive built your sound hat and would like to use it. but all pinmame rooms have the .snd file but not converter can covert it and no media player will play it

Anyone looking for sound files here you
Go https://www.dropbox.com/sh/n2q9jtdg9v8jp54/AACzbDUXbi2NbI5QOJgL93e4a?dl=0&preview=Black+Hole+(Gottlieb+1981).mp3

bontango thanks again for all this work! How’s the sound board coming along mine just took dump!

Yup!

thanks again ralph, you saved my black hole. my speech board toasted itsself and had the phat sound card from your build site all ready to go threw that in. Over thought the use of it but figured it out! wasted a week trying to repair the original when i had a solution at my disposal. not bad for a total of $20.

hey robot prob going to keep it, i know the sc-01 is fine and working i could trigger pheoms just had a latch issue. \

Any idea why all segments are locked on on “e” on a credit? Checked the wiring and all good.

Also would the sound phat, even with jumper I can’t adjust volume. Pot is all to left and at boot getting “lisy volume is at 180%)
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Ralf, finally got around to building a 35 board. I get random numbers on the displays. When hooked up to the hotspot lisy thinks it’s pink panther even tho S2 is set to on on rest off (eight all)

All Roms are on the Sd for Bally none for gottlieb

That’s the funny part this is a lisy35 board,

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Thanks for the help got that sorted now having issues were I’m getting no lamps, and solenoids not working cross detector is always lit

Thanks for the help, built this board over the course of a month, over a 9 months ago. Grabbed the wrong resistor, didn’t have the 1.5m ohm but had 2m and it solved all my issues

bontango thanks again!
Gen1 Bally displays came out awesome

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3 items,

anyone want to get in on my lisy system 7 order? will all parts ( 2 parts out of stock header pins) $80 per board to my door and assume another 10-20 with in the USA

same goes with lisy 80, about to order 5, i only need one same deal as above should be about $25 shipped from china to my door and another 10-20 to your door.

all at cost, just trying to spread the love.

JLC cannot build cyclone's from scratch right now main IC is out of stock from intel.

bontango any thoughts to adding a ribbon cable connector on both driver board and mpu to eliminate the interconnect harness?

thanks! never see that on the site before!!

Built a sys 80 power supply. Only getting 3.5 volts at the 5v test point. Looks like the lmXxx is what handles the 5v. I must have screwed something up. ill figure that out.

old power supply in( verified everything) LISY80 in, game boots get game 34 (alien star) tries to load rom, then get ERR 10, followed by NO LAN and some other stuff on the displays. Ive seen this before on my black hole and it was ROM related. But can't remember if it was how it was label or how it was thrown in the ROM folder.

EDIT: was an adult for once, check my rom and grabbed the unzipped file. game is working great thanks!

any chance you'll design a set of williams 3-7 displays?

I have actually, sent you an email a few months ago about his system 11. As much as I appreciate his contributions, the layout isn’t friendly as you
Need to sand down the segments for all his displays. And his board layout is very cluttered having capacitors over ic chips, and being double sided assembly, connectors in random spots

That would be great! He actually uses .8 in all of his designs and still requires the sanding. They’re just space to close.

no problem! figured as much! 7 digit was what i was really after, if we could alter it with out the sanding im 99% sure there would be no issues seeing the full display even with .8's. .8's are what rotten dog, wolfpack and xpin are using on all displays for williams.

i will get on this and report back, thanks for the help!

re-flash the switch chip, had a similar issue and flashed my switch ic with the solenoid flash. Re-flashed and game fired up. If that doesnt fix it check your resistor network values for the switches, Had one go bad randomly.

edit: looks like your missing the bally green LED. might need to investigate that. but that could also be related to the "flashing"

the one in the center of the board marked "bally" it under the triple tree.

Glad I could help! Also I believe this led flashes like a Bally game and Ralf coded it to relate the flashes like in the original mpu. So might point you in a direction

willing to sell one of those 7's? maybe by you some mooses tooth?!

they should be in the main file.

Anyone have a spare 7 board? Will gladly pay you for it.

Also have 2 spare gottlieb credit displays for free if anyone needs them.