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DIY: 'LISY', a replacement MPU for Gottlieb, Bally & Stern

By bontango

3 years ago


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    #1051 63 days ago

    Just checked it and looks like there is a bug in Pi0_v03 image ( Pi0w_v03 is OK )

    Please change in config.txt line
    dtparam=i2c1=on
    to
    dtparam=i2c_arm=on,i2c_arm_baudrate=50000

    and let me know if it helps

    #1052 60 days ago
    Quoted from bontango:

    Just checked it and looks like there is a bug in Pi0_v03 image ( Pi0w_v03 is OK )
    Please change in config.txt line
    dtparam=i2c1=on
    to
    dtparam=i2c_arm=on,i2c_arm_baudrate=50000
    and let me know if it helps

    Works great now, thanks again !
    The Lisy80 with embedded Pi0 boots 10sec faster as a Pi3A

    1 week later
    #1053 53 days ago

    Anyone have an extra lisy80 they could sell?

    #1054 52 days ago

    I am going to order some LISY80 boards. Grabbed the gerber, CPL and BOM from here: https://lisy.dev/swrep/LISY80/smd/

    The process went fine, no errors. However, I did note that there are no sockets being populated, and I don't see them in the BOM. Is that correct?

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    #1055 52 days ago

    JLC should be putting the socket's on (on the SMD one at least)

    #1056 52 days ago

    Yeah, that seems wrong to me. But I don't see sockets in the original BOM, either.

    #1057 51 days ago
    Quoted from ThatOneDude:

    But I don't see sockets in the original BOM, either.

    I do provide two type of BOM.
    If you look on my repository server for the LISY80 SMD here https://lisy.dev/swrep/LISY80/smd/
    there are two subfolders in the assembly folder: 'full' and 'smd only'

    - BOM&CPL in the 'smd only' folder do only contain SMD components, no DIP components, so no hand-soldering service from JLC, you need to solder yourself
    - BOM&CPL in the 'full' folder do contain all components, icncluding DIP sockets (see below)

    hope that helps

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    #1058 37 days ago

    I am trying to build some sys80 displays.
    PIC18F45K42-E/P seems to be out of stock.
    Can I use PIC18F45K42-I/P (https://no.farnell.com/microchip/pic18f45k42-i-p/mcu-8bit-64mhz-dip-40/dp/3131860) instead, bontango ?

    #1059 36 days ago

    Yesterday they had >200 in stock ...
    But yes, you can use E/P and I/P type.

    #1060 36 days ago

    bontango - do you have any plans for emulating the later sys80 sound boards, for example MA-766 ?
    I have 2 games that are missing this board ...
    If you have something up your sleeve I will postpone the hunt for used boards

    #1061 36 days ago

    Already tried, but the soundchips are not easy to emulate, sothis project is 'on hold' at the moment ...

    #1062 34 days ago

    I am recording the samples for a game where one single sound has several variations (some effects/filtering).
    Is there any way to have LISY80 play one of these variations (at random or in sequence) any time this sound is triggered ?
    For example if sound 3 is triggered, then first file "3.wav" is played, next time "3a.wav", next time "3b.wav" and so on ?

    #1063 33 days ago

    For LISY35 this is already possible
    ( see page 41 ) https://lisy.dev/swrep/LISY/LISY_user%20manual_v5.27-67a.pdf
    Would it help to implement it the same way for LISY80?

    btw: for which game you recording sounds?
    once finished would be great if you can send them to me, to integrate in the LISY image?!

    #1064 33 days ago
    Quoted from bontango:

    For LISY35 this is already possible
    ( see page 41 ) https://lisy.dev/swrep/LISY/LISY_user%20manual_v5.27-67a.pdf
    Would it help to implement it the same way for LISY80?
    btw: for which game you recording sounds?
    once finished would be great if you can send them to me, to integrate in the LISY image?!

    Yes, that looks good !
    It's for Hollywood heat and Gold wings, I'll send you a PM.

    #1065 33 days ago
    Quoted from Zigzagzag:

    Yes, that looks good !
    It's for Hollywood heat and Gold wings, I'll send you a PM.

    Oh I am very interested in what you do for Hollywood Heat

    #1066 33 days ago
    Quoted from Cheddar:

    Oh I am very interested in what you do for Hollywood Heat

    Going to be a bit of work here ... not aiming for perfect, but aiming for playable

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    #1067 33 days ago
    Quoted from Zigzagzag:

    Going to be a bit of work here ... not aiming for perfect, but aiming for playable
    [quoted image][quoted image]

    Let me know if you need details on anything and I'll get you pics

    #1068 29 days ago

    FYI: There was a problem with BallyFA and Bally Games with Cheap Squeak soundboards
    ( Granny and the Gators, XandOs, Kings of Steel, Black Pyramid, Spy Hunter, Fireball Classic, Cybernaut )
    It happened that the soundboard did not boot cleanly, resulting in no sound.
    You need HW v1.11 together with Software v1.18 to get it work.
    https://lisy.dev/ballyfa.html

    If you want to update your 'old' BallyFA and do not hesitate to work on SMD chips:
    It can be done with a software update, 'lifting' four SMD pins and do some wiring on the board.
    Let me know if you need details.

    #1069 29 days ago
    Quoted from Zigzagzag:

    Going to be a bit of work here ... not aiming for perfect, but aiming for playable
    [quoted image][quoted image]

    You can do it. Just tedious. My son helped me splice every wire between the head and cabinet on a Motordome. Did it over three evenings. Worked perfect and once done the final harness came out great.

    #1070 29 days ago
    Quoted from Robotworkshop:

    You can do it. Just tedious. My son helped me splice every wire between the head and cabinet on a Motordome. Did it over three evenings. Worked perfect and once done the final harness came out great.

    Thanks for the encouraging words, Robotworkshop !

    I've been through the same with a T2 before, so I'm not too worried

    And with the great boards from bontango I'm covered for display, driver and MPU !

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    #1071 29 days ago
    Quoted from Zigzagzag:

    It's for Hollywood heat and Gold wings, I'll send you a PM.

    Dang, Cheddar, sounds like he's got our projects

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    #1072 28 days ago
    Quoted from Zigzagzag:

    Thanks for the encouraging words, Robotworkshop !
    I've been through the same with a T2 before, so I'm not too worried
    And with the great boards from bontango I'm covered for display, driver and MPU !
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    how do you get the solder ring to melt nicely? Maybe I'm trying to melt mine too fast.... also what tool do you use? heat gun, lighter etc

    #1073 28 days ago
    Quoted from northvibe:

    how do you get the solder ring to melt nicely? Maybe I'm trying to melt mine too fast.... also what tool do you use? heat gun, lighter etc

    I used a heat gun, but for my next project I will probably just hand solder and put shrink tube over.

    #1074 28 days ago
    Quoted from Zigzagzag:

    I used a heat gun, but for my next project I will probably just hand solder and put shrink tube over.

    I use these on my outdoor equipment and use a heat gun but maybe i was too close this last time..... hard to have patience when you want a project done

    #1075 27 days ago
    Quoted from Zigzagzag:

    Going to be a bit of work here ... not aiming for perfect, but aiming for playable
    [quoted image][quoted image]

    Aaaahhh cut harnesses, a nightmare! I had to deal with a Street Fighter 2 with all playfield harnesses cut like this... Took me few evenings to rebuild it but it worked! And that was pretty satisfying All this thanks to the documentation from Gottlieb, and buying a bunch of gottlieb wires on eBay from an old harness (i managed to preserve the color coding).

    #1076 23 days ago

    So beautiful... I almost hate to open it!

    bontango you had stated you were going to create a new thread for each of your designs. If you would like to create one for the Pic Programmer, I would be happy to share my build process

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    #1077 22 days ago
    Quoted from songofsixpence:

    If you would like to create one for the Pic Programmer, I would be happy to share my build process

    My plan was to create a thread for each NEW design, so if you want to share your build process feel free to create your own thread.
    I think i could be usefull for others ...

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    #1078 13 days ago

    bontango I've built a couple of 80b displays and programmed the PIC (had to use the boards to do this as the breakout supplied with the PIC3 from AliExpress didn't work).
    I have set the jumper for external power and supplied 5V - and then tried to push the "test" button.
    Is something supposed to happen when I do this ? Because all displays stay off ...

    #1079 12 days ago
    Quoted from Zigzagzag:

    bontango I've built a couple of 80b displays and programmed the PIC (had to use the boards to do this as the breakout supplied with the PIC3 from AliExpress didn't work).
    I have set the jumper for external power and supplied 5V - and then tried to push the "test" button.
    Is something supposed to happen when I do this ? Because all displays stay off ...

    NVM, figured out both ext and int jumpers have to be connected when testing on the bench with an external power supply.
    All good

    #1080 9 days ago

    bontango I'm looking to build a couple of GottFA1-plus boards.
    On your webpage it says the TL783CKC might be hard to source.
    If I read the schematics correctly this is used to generate 60V and 42V.
    Are these voltages only needed for the displays ?
    If so, I guess this (and surrounding) part might be omitted if using LED displays ?

    I was also wondering if the sys80 displays on your website would be compatible with sys1 games ?
    I find some information indicating that these are interchangeable, but nothing really solid about this.

    #1081 9 days ago

    60V and 42V are needed for the original displays.
    For LED displays 'it depends' what LED displays you use.
    My LED displays do generate internal used 5Volts from the 60/42Volt because I wanted
    to have a 'plug&play' display without the need of new wiring.
    So here these voltages are needed.

    If you want 'pure' 5Volt LED displays have a look here http://pinballwiz.org/index.php/system-1-led-display/

    And yes, Gottlieb Sys80 6-digit displays are interchangeable with Sys1 displays.

    #1082 8 days ago

    bontango Is it possible to use the GOSOF sys1 sound board as it is today, or does it require a .jic file ?

    #1083 7 days ago

    which GOSOF board do you reffering to?
    https://lisy.dev/gosof.html
    or
    https://lisy.dev/gosof-01.html

    For the first one you need a '.pof', for the second one with '.jic' file the Cyclone IV chip is not available at the moment.

    btw: I have feedback that with SYS1 emulation not all sounds are working, I'm working on that!

    #1084 7 days ago
    Quoted from bontango:

    which GOSOF board do you reffering to?
    https://lisy.dev/gosof.html
    or
    https://lisy.dev/gosof-01.html
    For the first one you need a '.pof', for the second one with '.jic' file the Cyclone IV chip is not available at the moment.
    btw: I have feedback that with SYS1 emulation not all sounds are working, I'm working on that!

    I was looking at the SMD boards, but I may have a couple of non-SMD boards lying around.
    I can test them first.

    #1085 4 days ago

    Came across components for LISY SMD-35 (I think).

    If anyone needs parts, pref in Canada, perhaps we can work something out. I've got one board, and I'm not sure why I ordered this extra set of stuff.

    Looks like a doubled up on quite a lot, so there are 6 of those PICs (PIC18F45K22-I/P) That seem to be backordered everywhere if anyone needs them.

    I'm guessing it cost me about $140 CAD with tax etc.. so I'd be happy to get $100 CAD + whatever to ship or local pickup.

    All new (sealed) parts, except the jumpers, could not find that, so just 5 spares in a bag.

    Thanks-

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