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Display Question - Early Bally 6803 Games (Eight Ball Champ, Etc.)


By acebathound

9 months ago



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#1 9 months ago

I just want to verify that the games below all use 4x 7-digit displays and 1x 6-digit for the credit display. Seems I can then add them to the list of displays that the Pinitech UNO / Pinitech TRADITIONAL LED display sets work with.

Only reason I'm checking here is I swear I came across a picture with one of these machines showing all 7-digit displays being used, including the credit display. There's a single Classic Stern game (Star Gazer) that I know had used 5x 7-digit displays.. otherwise the 6-digit doesn't line up with the credit display correctly.

I'm kind of a nut for trying to make sure I'm putting out correct information as much as possible, so just want to verify on the games listed above with people that own or have owned them in the past. Is the standard configuration of 4x 7-digit displays and 1x 6-digit display for the credit/match correct for each of these games?

Thanks!!

#2 9 months ago

Can't say anything about Beat the Clock and Lady Luck, but Eight Ball Champ uses 4 7s and 1 6. I know this because I'm having a problem with the 6 digit display, and it is sitting right here next to me.

#3 9 months ago
Quoted from chrismcb:

Can't say anything about Beat the Clock and Lady Luck, but Eight Ball Champ uses 4 7s and 1 6. I know this because I'm having a problem with the 6 digit display, and it is sitting right here next to me.

Great, thank you!!

I think the other two are setup the same way.. IPDB pictures on Beat The Clock look like it's a 6-digit display there. Kind of looks that way on Lady Luck too. They're also low production count anyway. EBC was the main one I was concerned with since that had higher production count.

#4 9 months ago

4x7 + 1x6 was common in this era. When Bally transitioned to 7-digit displays it was discovered Midway had a huge stash of 6-digit display tubes left over. Somebody in purchasing apparently made a ginormouse bulk purchase. Bally had to keep using them up in games wherever they could.

#5 9 months ago

What is this voodoo you speak of? LED replacements for Eight Ball Champ displays? What else am I missing out on? BTW, I already swapped in the 6116 NVRAM, so that didn't get by me...

I think I would like to get white LEDs with 4 different colors (each player has own color) and leave the credit/match white. How might I order that?

And yes, EBC Serial #764 has a 6 digit display for credit/match and 4 x 7 digits for scores.

#6 9 months ago
Quoted from newbieinKC:

What is this voodoo you speak of? LED replacements for Eight Ball Champ displays? What else am I missing out on? BTW, I already swapped in the 6116 NVRAM, so that didn't get by me...

Yep! Turns out the very early Bally 6803 games (EBC, Lady Luck, Beat The Clock) all used the same 7-digit and 6-digit displays as the Classic Bally/Stern. I kind of forgot they did that. Thanks for confirming yours as well! I didn't want to add these games to the compatibility list on my LED sets before double-checking they were a standard 7-digit setup (4x 7-digit, 1x 6-digit).

Hmm, what else? Well if your 6803 keypad is in bad shape, I have replacements for that. I actually had an EBC eons ago. And a Strange Science as well. Both had keypads that had at least one or two buttons so worn out you had to mash them a bunch of times to get the button to register.. a working keypad makes making adjustments a bit less frustrating

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/bally-6803-keypads-diy-kit-or-assembled

Quoted from newbieinKC:

I think I would like to get white LEDs with 4 different colors (each player has own color) and leave the credit/match white. How might I order that?

Cool, not a problem to do a different filter color for each player display like that. I'll send you a PM with some info.

#7 9 months ago
Quoted from acebathound:

Yep! Turns out the very early Bally 6803 games (EBC, Lady Luck, Beat The Clock) all used the same 7-digit and 6-digit displays as the Classic Bally/Stern. I kind of forgot they did that. Thanks for confirming yours as well! I didn't want to add these games to the compatibility list on my LED sets before double-checking they were a standard 7-digit setup (4x 7-digit, 1x 6-digit).
Hmm, what else? Well if your 6803 keypad is in bad shape, I have replacements for that. I actually had an EBC eons ago. And a Strange Science as well. Both had keypads that had at least one or two buttons so worn out you had to mash them a bunch of times to get the button to register.. a working keypad makes making adjustments a bit less frustrating
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/bally-6803-keypads-diy-kit-or-assembled

Cool, not a problem to do a different filter color for each player display like that. I'll send you a PM with some info.

I am going to hold onto that idea for a couple of weeks. I just bought the stuff I need to rebuild the high-voltage portion of the power board yesterday. I might as well see if I can get my EBC back up with what is on its way to me. Problem is, that even if I fix my problem, there are other signs that my plasma displays are getting long in the tooth. Honestly, if I would have been diligent and found your LED display upgrades three days ago, I would have already switched.

My keypad works great, so I am not in the market for one of those yet. I am glad that you offer the replacements and upgrades for my "oddball" machine. I have already enjoyed one of your upgrades (NVRAM) and will probably do business on new displays soon.

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#8 9 months ago
Quoted from acebathound:

I just want to verify that the games below all use 4x 7-digit displays and 1x 6-digit for the credit display. Seems I can then add them to the list of displays that the Pinitech UNO / Pinitech TRADITIONAL LED display sets work with.

Eight Ball Champ
Beat The Clock
Lady Luck

Only reason I'm checking here is I swear I came across a picture with one of these machines showing all 7-digit displays being used, including the credit display. There's a single Classic Stern game (Star Gazer) that I know had used 5x 7-digit displays.. otherwise the 6-digit doesn't line up with the credit display correctly.
I'm kind of a nut for trying to make sure I'm putting out correct information as much as possible, so just want to verify on the games listed above with people that own or have owned them in the past. Is the standard configuration of 4x 7-digit displays and 1x 6-digit display for the credit/match correct for each of these games?
Thanks!!

Stargazer has a 6 digit display for the credit/match - the 6 digit display lines up fine in mine. Did you mean Orbitor 1? That has 5x7 displays.

#9 9 months ago
Quoted from slochar:

Stargazer has a 6 digit display for the credit/match - the 6 digit display lines up fine in mine. Did you mean Orbitor 1? That has 5x7 displays.

Was referring to this post from a while back on Star Gazer..

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/credit-display-for-stern-star-gazer-6-digit-or-7-digit

What's odd is the manual mentions 5x of the C-645 7-digit displays and no mention of 6-digit. But the backglass artwork does seem to lend itself to a 6-digit credit display.

Good call with Oribitor 1, not sure why I had that down as 5x 6-digit, but that is indeed 5x 7-digit.

On that note, if anyone wants to take a quick look through the list I have here to see if they spot anything that jumps out as wrong for the display counts, that would be helpful I'm going to run through it again myself and get these other games added.

https://www.pinitech.com/docs/ballystern_display_games.pdf

#10 9 months ago

When I bought my SG it was untouched from the factory, the factory eproms were 4x2716 with the stern labels on them. Those are long since removed from the game though and erased.

It's very possible they sent some down the line and had some alignment issues. The 6 digit on mine doesn't line up "perfectly" but since I have a greatwhich BG in it now, dunno how that compared to the original (I'd have to dig the original glass out of storage to compare).

I have noticed that lots of BG's from every manufacturer seem to have some slight variations in the alignment regarding any of the displays - nothing more than a couple sixteenths though. The one in my black knight bothers me the most though as I have to make sure to put the glass back in perfectly or the millions digit on p1 gets cut off as well as the credits.

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