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Difficulty setting pitch on HS

By RobF

2 years ago


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#1 2 years ago

Since purchase, I have always felt my HS seemed a bit too floaty. It went in and out of storage and then finally through a playfield restore. Now that I care to play it more, I started to try to figure this out and I am confused. I purchased new Sys11 legs (28.5") and new levelers. With the feet maxed out on the rear and full in on the fronts, the steepest I can get the playfield pitch is 5.5deg. I talked to the original operator who bought this game back in '86 and I am pretty sure that this is an original, unaltered Williams cabinet. I did double check the leg bolt mounting and there aren't any alternate drillings front or rear. The floor it sits on is not on a slant. I took some quick measurements from the bottom of the legs not including the feet for reference. Hopefully someone can offer some suggestions what could cause this. Thanks in advance.

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#2 2 years ago

Are you using levelers with a 3" stem on the back legs?

#3 2 years ago
Quoted from ForceFlow:Are you using levelers with a 3" stem on the back legs?

Yes I am.

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#4 2 years ago
Quoted from RobF:

the steepest I can get the playfield pitch is 5.5deg.

What are you using to measure that ?

LTG : )

#5 2 years ago

Does the measurement from the bottom of the cab to the bolt holes on the front look right for a sys 11 cab? Compared to my Stern, spooky, and WPC games they seem pretty low. This is my only Sys11 game.

The bottom bolt is 3" from the bottom of the cabinet. WPC is 4", Stern is 7", Spooky is 5".

#6 2 years ago
Quoted from LTG:

What are you using to measure that ?
LTG : )

Digital angle finder.

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#7 2 years ago

5.5 should be fine. It's funny because the manual actually recommends 6.0, but I don't think you could get there out of the box.

You can remove the front leveler nuts to get a little more, if you haven't already. Would also check to see if the leg mounting brackets have been replaced. Someone may have installed them slightly off.

Wasn't until the 90's when 6.5 became the default. A lot of 80's games play fine at 5.0 - 5.5.

#8 2 years ago
Quoted from phishrace:

5.5 should be fine. It's funny because the manual actually recommends 6.0, but I don't think you could get there out of the box.
You can remove the front leveler nuts to get a little more, if you haven't already. Would also check to see if the leg mounting brackets have been replaced. Someone may have installed them slightly off.
Wasn't until the 90's when 6.5 became the default. A lot of 80's games play fine at 5.0 - 5.5.

I dunno, mine definitely looks to play slower than the videos I have seen.

#9 2 years ago
Quoted from RobF:

I dunno, mine definitely looks to play slower than the videos I have seen.

Did the playfield restore include waxing? New rubbers?

It's a bit of a hack and you need strong flippers, but you could stick a 2x4 underneath the rear legs for a bit more of an angle. I did that to my Gottlieb Spiderman for a while.

#10 2 years ago
Quoted from humanoid:

Did the playfield restore include waxing? New rubbers?
It's a bit of a hack and you need strong flippers, but you could stick a 2x4 underneath the rear legs for a bit more of an angle. I did that to my Gottlieb Spiderman for a while.

Yes wax and updated flippers. The behavior is floaty, not weak play off of the flippers. First I would like to confirm this is normal before putting something under the rear legs.

If anybody with a sys11 could measure how high up the front bolts are, that would be helpful.

#11 2 years ago
Quoted from RobF:

I dunno, mine definitely looks to play slower than the videos I have seen.

My playfield is at 6.4 I have the OEM legs like yours with 3" feet.

#12 2 years ago
Quoted from Pin-Pilot:

My playfield is at 6.4 I have the OEM legs like yours with 3" feet.

Thanks for the info. Yours has rear feet all the way out? How far up from the bottom of the cabinet are your bottom front leg bolts?

#13 2 years ago
Quoted from RobF:

Thanks for the info. Yours has rear feet all the way out? How far up from the bottom of the cabinet are your bottom front leg bolts?

Rear feet are not quite all the way, have about 3 threads showing. To the middle of the lower front bolt is about 3 1/4.

#14 2 years ago

It looks like you have a hard top PF installed. If so, floaty gameplay is expected.

#15 2 years ago
Quoted from Pin-Pilot:

Rear feet are not quite all the way, have about 3 threads showing. To the middle of the lower front bolt is about 3 1/4.

Thanks for the info.

Quoted from Jigs:

It looks like you have a hard top PF installed. If so, floaty gameplay is expected.

Not sure why you think that. Is this from personal experience? I haven't seen a single hardtop user that has reported this. Regardless, the floaty behavior on my game was if anything, worse before the hardtop PF swap over.

#16 2 years ago
Quoted from RobF:

Not sure why you think that. Is this from personal experience? I haven't seen a single hardtop user that has reported this. Regardless, the floaty behavior on my game was if anything, worse before the hardtop PF swap over.

I've played pinball on a plexiglass-like surface. I've also played on a hard top. Very much the same.

What is the degree you want HS to be? It's an 86 game, is 6 degrees the goal?. I had one for a decade, played fast and mean. I seriously doubt it was set to 6 degrees.

Great game tho, hope you get it dialed in

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