I must admit I am a little concerned by the initial reviews but have faith there is more to come.

Exactly, I created the poll. Wanted an anonymous ID to keep the survey from being tainted by those that may not agree with me or my views. (been tagged as a JJP fanboy by many though I do also call a spade a spade too) Didn't do a very good job of covering my tracks though. Poorly thought out on my part with so much suspicion surrounding the subject.

It's safe to say we have seen all that Smaug can do but nothing of what it will do based on jacks comments and the reveal. It would be nice if we could get a statement saying something like this is or is not the complete game we will be receiving and if the lockdown bar interacts with elements already shown or something yet to be revealed. That would Go a long way toward settling the unease raised by the reveal while still allowing Jack the surprise factor space he might have left up his sleeve.

Crazy. We got it! you believe it's all there and you may be right but it's done when Jack says it's done not based on your interpretation of his comments. I simply am asking what many here are asking, for a clear statement on what we can expect. If this is it, fine, I still say hold off on passing judgement on an unfinished product. Jack has said there is more to reveal but didn't say this is it harware wise. When you read between the lines you are making assumptions. You know what they say about that. So again we get it you think it's 95% there you said it a dozen times on several strings. Please feel free to add value if you have any to but that message has most certainly been delivered.

Don't get wrong, you have made some decent observations but you DO sometimes get a bit repetitive. Please don't stop posting but keep it fresh

What if.... Hardware IS 100% complete but some art and features ware not shown at expo because the 3rd movie is not out yet. Anyone think this is a possible scenario? We know there are things and features excluded in expo like the bar button. How long did we know about the crystal ball on woz until the final reveal? Am I setting myself up? Maybe, maybe not...

I think we agree the reveals are on a shorter timeline than WoZ which was painstakingly long.
Reading between the lines myself anyone else find it curious we had a full playfield view at Expo but the playfield pictures are conspicuously missing from JJPs web site and flyer?

We agree, If there is something more coming, why not say... "wait for it..." Perhaps that's what they are doing privately, maybe not. But then again I certainly understand JJPs hesitation to share ANYTHING here. No matter what they say it gets lambasted or expectations and assumptions go wild only to grow beyond what is planned. Remember the subway camera rumor? How silly was that? Even things said on the JJP forum seems to have a straight line over to here.

Take these numbers with a grain of salt. It's in no way an accurate measure, too easily corrupted by those with an agenda and there seems to be a lot of fanboys from other camps that for whatever reason relish peeing in others corn flakes.

I find it pretty immature when people post stupid stuff behind relative anonymity of a keyboard vs talking to a person face to face. You know who you are, not singling anyone out here but how about upping your maturity and game and posting thoughtful comments? Anything I have posted about JJP or Stern or PPS I would (and have) say direct to them. I have criticism and praise for each but I at least try to be civil and constructive.

+1 calling an open pf layout with adjustable pitch and flipper strength, "U" turn ramp, and a third flipper slow seems a bit counter-intuitive to me. This game can be tweaked to be as fast as you would ever want it to be. Widebody pins may seem slow because points of reference are further apart, kind of like a tall high sitting truck seems to be slower at 50 mph than a go cart would.

I didn't call you out, you just did though.

Damn, I keep forgetting to turn off the camera, thanks! I'm sure you are candid and unfiltered with your buds, I am as well but you missed my point. All I was saying is people shouldn't post dickish comments, on a public forum. What may be funny to your crowd might be offensive to those that are the brunt of the joke. Like, that was out loud dude...

I seriously doubt JJP will get a 30% cancellation based on all this. Canceling a pre-order now gets you what? you step out of line and when they deliver on the promise to top WoZ, you'll be kicking yourself because now you just cost yourself $1500 to get in back of the line for a Smaug SE. Actually you won't be able to get one as that door will have closed.

Actually all this hubbub is a good thing. JJP will be on their toes to prove the doubters wrong, that WoZ was not a one hit wonder.

I'm sitting tight and am confident there are more good things to come and hopefully some (good) surprises.

As for cosmetics and Smaug interaction, I don't think it's near done. Smaug will directly interact when the ramp diverter is integrated as it's tail. Hopefully that is done well.

I still think the book is a red herring.

It is but the cabinets come with regular decals. The super thick glossy decals are an upgrade now.

So I am changing my vote from on the fence option to all in on Smaug SE, also added playfield protector and upgraded cabinet decals. With the feedback directly from Jack assuring he will address ALL the concerns voiced here (understood to the best of his ability and within reason) and assurance that the game revealed was little more than a demo slightly more advanced than WoZ was when we got our first chance to flip it, I have full confidence the game will be epic and beautiful as we have come to expect from JJP. All in!!

Believe it or not there are customers outside of pinside. I have absolutely no worries that even if the above poll is accurate that JJP is in any trouble whatsoever.

Some people just play pinball rather than get online and talk about it. Silly amateurs

Seems silly the argument that there will be boring mode variations on a drop target, target, scoop, ramp & lane game vs a ramp, target & lane game like LOTR. Granted LOTR has far fewer modes than TH will have but the variations with the far fewer possible shots/combos on LOTR are nothing short of brilliant. Add the extra variables on TH of drops, scoops user controlled ramp diverter and it creates near infinite variation possibilities, not just hit this drop, that drop. Get real guys! Repetition can be fun too, who does not like getting loop champion on HS2?

It will be great. I was excited to see a flow game when the playfield was revealed, the theme, monitor, audio, pop-ups, and the reveal of the intended depth will make this game killer fun. Upon reflection the initial negative Expo sentiment (being amplified and exaggerated here) was understandable. How could the game be fun with a flippable demo with no rules and an open pf coupled with the admittedly disappointment of the initial Smaug toy reveal? We all imagined something very much more given the anticipation that has built up over the last year. Take a step back, consider the talent and possibilities this game has behind it. My excitement has been rekindled after the Expo wet blanket. All the hubbub will only make the game even better as JJP is forced to pay extra sharp attention to prove all the naysayers 100% wrong on the rash judgement they handed out.

So who wants to change their vote now? JJP listened and responded in many big ways. If you voted you would cancel, did you? Are you second guessing that decision now? I was a "wait and see" I like what I'm seeing and am solidly in for the long haul now.