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Did Pinball actually commit suicide?


By Blitzburgh99

4 years ago



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    #101 4 years ago
    Quoted from Captain_Kirk:

    Ritchie, Lyman, Gomez, and Sullivan are still there.

    Some returned once the investors got in there and turned things around.

    Read old posts on RGP about those days. Pretty sad.

    LTG : )™

    #102 4 years ago
    Quoted from LTG:

    Some returned once the investors got in there and turned things around.
    Read old posts on RGP about those days. Pretty sad.
    LTG : )™

    Oh, I'm aware of what happened in 2008-2009.

    Ritchie and Lawlor were independent contractors back then.

    Ritchie is a Stern employee now.

    #103 4 years ago
    Quoted from emkay:

    The one near us does - kids are welcome until 9pm (or later if they're cool, lol), separate dining room & deck but the kids swarm the pins. Unfortunately, the feral ones tend to treat them rather poorly. http://railroadstreet.com/

    That is fantastic! The places I am familiar with are strictly bars. They'd never allow it, too much of a liability.

    #104 4 years ago

    Also, the game of pinball was taken for granted back in the mid to late 90's. Anyone interested in it just always expected it to be where it was going to be and that Williams/Bally would always just keep doing what they always did. When that changed and the years to follow, we scramble to wonder why and how. It's the classic case of nostalgia, and not knowing what you have until it's gone.

    I will say this though: Pinball to me is exactly like a time machine. I can play any game, be it anything from a Funhouse to an Eight ball deluxe, and every time I am transported back to the year that game was made. It's in your hands, interactive, and playing the same way it did when it came out and everything from the art to the sounds becomes a personification of that era, it's bliss. Equally rewarding is fixing something, it then becomes a feeling of ''it lives again like it once did- back then!''

    I don't believe that pinball will ever be understood to the masses like we understand it, but to me, that's what makes it so perfect.

    #105 4 years ago
    Quoted from thedefog:

    That is fantastic! The places I am familiar with are strictly bars. They'd never allow it, too much of a liability.

    Yeah, and A-list games too! I often find myself leaving a credit or two for some young'n whose parents didn't give them any coins just so they can get a taste. Or showing some soccer mom where the Go button is. "yeah, the flashing one - just push it."

    #106 4 years ago

    Three pages so far and nobody has mentioned how Python sunk Capcom? F'n Zingy Bingy....what the hell was he on? Did he intentionaly submarine the company or was it just some JPOP level hubris?

    #107 4 years ago
    Quoted from fumbleflippers:

    Three pages so far and nobody has mentioned how Python sunk Capcom? F'n Zingy Bingy....what the hell was he on? Did he intentionaly submarine the company or was it just some JPOP level hubris?

    Wow i've never seen that before. What was the story?

    #110 4 years ago

    Everything has cycles. Pinball will be no different. I find it hard to believe that when all of the boomers have passed, that pinball can survive like it is today. It simply is not in the next generations blood. Muscle cars will go through the same cycle.

    #111 4 years ago
    Quoted from fumbleflippers:

    Three pages so far and nobody has mentioned how Python sunk Capcom?

    There were more issues with that company than one man. Python was fired January 1996, they didn't close until December. And they only made pins in 1996. They made a few ? redemption things in 1995.

    Granted he did things to get Flipper Football out ahead of Big Bang Bar. But when they were losing a thousand dollars a unit going out the door, more games or better distribution wouldn't have helped.

    LTG : )™

    #112 4 years ago
    Quoted from LTG:

    Granted he did things to get Flipper Football out ahead of Big Bang Bar. But when they were losing a thousand dollars a unit going out the door, more games or better distribution wouldn't have helped.

    In my research for my cover story on Python I've actually talked to several people that on separate occasions said that BBB was not ready to go into production and the whole FF over BBB story isn't accurate. Capcom did have a lot more problems than just Python... Capcom going down doesn't explain why Williams' sales went down as well.

    #113 4 years ago
    Quoted from Blitzburgh99:

    There seems to be a fair share of blame to go around as to why pinball died out at the end of the '90s…video games, etc.
    Could the real reason be that pinball died out was that it advanced itself to be so complicated, that games became maintenance nightmare for operators, that they never worked properly for players, and they walked away with quarters for other things?
    Case in point: Indiana Jones is often referred to as a maintenance nightmare on route, but can be run well in a home environment.
    Did pinball jump off a bridge?

    No question this is part of it. Some DMD's you play so long even for a poor player and the rules are so deep you just don't want to play it again. Case and point IJ. Play a ball for 30 minutes and just leave the other 2 for someone else. Painful to play and very painful for even a skilled player on hard settings. This has to impacted pinball, no question. Think about a slot machine. Its the speed that keeps people plugging in money. Obviously not the skill.

    #114 4 years ago

    A large portion of this has to be the suicide portion - think about the maintenance required for the ROI - While pinballs are easy to maintain once you get used to it, heck I can't even have a party with out having something go wrong and thats a home environment with 6 games.

    #116 4 years ago
    Quoted from coz6:

    A large portion of this has to be the suicide portion - think about the maintenance required for the ROI - While pinballs are easy to maintain once you get used to it, heck I can't even have a party with out having something go wrong and thats a home environment with 6 games.

    I've often wondered if a company started making lower priced titles that are simpler (think system 11 type level) with modern hardware and advances could they make something that's desirable and lower maintenance?

    #117 4 years ago

    That is why you have to love Python.

    If the game would have been called Butt Pirate, it would have been a huge hit.

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    #118 4 years ago
    Quoted from vid1900:

    That is why you have to love Python.
    If the game would have been called Butt Pirate, it would have been a huge hit.

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    One of the suggested names is simply "Fuck Off"

    #119 4 years ago
    Quoted from vid1900:

    That is why you have to love Python.

    If this pornographic pin was made to Python's specifications, it would probably have been the holy grail of pins. I'm surprised Capcom didn't go for it, at least in the Japanese market.

    #120 4 years ago

    "Kingpin (9 prototypes made) and Big Bang Bar (15 prototypes) are now highly sought after collectors' items going for as much as $5,000 to $6,000."

    #121 4 years ago
    Quoted from emkay:

    The one near us does - kids are welcome until 9pm (or later if they're cool, lol), separate dining room & deck but the kids swarm the pins. Unfortunately, the feral ones tend to treat them rather poorly. http://railroadstreet.com/

    That is still not quite the right environment...

    #122 4 years ago
    Quoted from Classic_Stern:

    That is still not quite the right environment...

    Elaborate? I'm not following you.

    #123 4 years ago
    Quoted from Classic_Stern:

    That is still not quite the right environment...

    Founders Kentucky Breakfast Stout on tap?!?! I don't care if the place is literally on fire it is the right environment for me.

    #124 4 years ago
    Quoted from emkay:

    Elaborate? I'm not following you.

    Just in today's PC environment kids cannot be in bars. I don't care but I know this is now Taboo. I grew up in them.

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