I'm interested in adding a Lawlor pin to complement my only/first pin Star Wars Pro. Between DI and TZ, which do you think has the better playfield layout and ruleset? Themes are equally good to me. Thanks!
this is one of those rare comparison threads where you can't make a bad decision.
Quoted from bigehrl:
this is one of those rare comparison threads where you can't make a bad decision.
Agree 100%! Not only games with the same designer, but the same programmer. I have both-- I've had TZ for a long time and absolutely love it, but owned DI for two weeks so still in the honeymoon phase. I seriously doubt my opinion of DI will change, but know that it takes a year before I really know if a game will stick with me. TZ is a proven classic and I never tire of it, but DI is such a leap in technology. Also, DI has great flow whereas TZ is more stop and go. You can't go wrong with either. It may come down to what you can find locally vs buying new in box. (And the difference in price.)
I have both, and I don't see either going anywhere. I've actually had Twilight Zone for over 10 years now, and I never get tired of it.
Dialed In has a bit more of a challenge to it on standard setup. Getting to the wizard modes is a much harder task and collecting all the SIM cards requires a lot of precise play. Twilight Zone has a bit more variation to it, but after owning it for a while, you'll find getting to Lost in the Zone isn't all that hard (though you'll be skipping modes to get there).
Both games are very casual friendly because someone can step up, flip around, and see fun and cool stuff. For a serious player, both games can also be set up to be quite hard and challenging, yet still fun. My TZ is set up so brutal that it humbles the best players in our league quite often.
Either game will provide a very noticeable change of pace from your Star Wars, and either one would compliment it well. I don't think you would have trouble selling either game for what you got into it if you find that it's not what you were expecting. But honestly, you can't go wrong with either game. Dialed In is the best new game in years, and I consider Twilight Zone to be the best game of all time. It's a true win/win scenario either way you go.
DIaled in! Amazing lighting and effects and new modern lcd screen! Twilight zone is a nice pin, but these newer JJP pins make older Williams/bally pins feel outdated
Both are great games. TZ would be a better choice if you want to tinker with your game. It’s older and going to require more maintenance and fixing, and it also has greater possibilities for mods.
Dialed-In will still require some tweaking and can be modded too but you’d probably spend more time working on a TZ than a DI.
Personally I like the future/retro feel of DI and think it has the best combo shots in all of pinball.
The only thing I will say bad about Twilight is that i's slower than Dialed in....but I'm comparing a widebody to a standard so that has to factor in. Really tough call on this one.
Both are winners. DI is a lot like TZ being packed with features and lots of good shots. Both feel like a really solid, fun Lawlor game. I have to give the edge to TZ being an all star classic, better theme, and cheaper. You have powerball and a cool mini playfield. I never get tired of playing TZ and finally got one of my own. I would love to get a DI someday but need to play it more to see how it holds up.
Owned TZ years ago and miss it. Sounds, shots, everything, it's a really fun game.
Now own DI and it is even better. More flow (the ball just keeps going around and around with those combos), love the light show, sounds, artwork, rules and shots. But the theater and large display screen really put it over the top for me. I can't find anything I don't like about it.
So TZ is a "9" to me but DI is a "10".
Have both beside one another .... Dile is a better shooter, much better flow, great magnet action , best lightshow ever, great code .
Tz is a top classic with tons going on , nice toys,tons shots and ways to approach it and the powerball is great.
Really cant compare them as one 25 years newer with modern tech and awesome features that make tz feel very dated. I havent played tz since dile arrived 7-8 month's ago which is y its getting sold.
Having played both I prefer DI, but before you buy suggest playing it and TZ (if you can) just to make sure you like the way the pin feels. I have both Steve Ritchie pins, as well as a Pat Lawlor pin, and while I agree with you that variety is nice, most of the time I prefer the speed and flow of my Ritchie pins. Just something about them that works for me. That's why even though part of me wants to add some more variety to my lineup, I may end up getting SW as my next pin (need to go play it first though, plus come up with the funds). As my son reminded me, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it." Again, everybody has their pin play style preference, so if you try it and like it, then yes, go with DI or TZ (again between those two I would pick DI), the variety will be nice and you'll truly enjoy both of your pins. And if you try DI and TZ and don't love either, plenty of other designers/pins out there for variety.
Poll added for fun.
Thanks all for the input. Doesn't sound like I can go wrong here. Shame that neither are on location in the greater Houston area (apart from the pinball store downtown) to put more time on.
Price may be the deciding factor if I could find a nice TZ locally for $6K and save $3K-$4K (after tax/shipping) over DI.
Had a really nice TZ two years ago and it was a fantastic game but could make you really annoyed as it is very challenging and not for newbies to pinball. Got DI now and it's not making me annoyed at all, its wonderful and newbies like it as well. Add to that the modern tech and my vote goes to DI.
I’ve owned a TZ since 2003. I sold mine last year and got the one that Mike Chesnut used to own. Mike was a friend and the game is immaculate, so it’s bolted to the floor. I think it would compliment your SW pro better in a 2 pin collection.
I really like Dialed In as well and will probably get one at some point.
“No bad decison”++. Similar to other posters, I own both. Of all of my pins, TZ has been a maintenance nightmare. But: will never be leaving my collection (in fact, perversely love it even more because of the issues...and how they forced me to up my pinball repair IQ).
That said, since DILE joined the lineup in October I haven’t logged a single game on TZ. No doubt “honeymoon” effect, but I absolutely love the flow and the rules. SIM card collection one of the best designs for in-home longevity...cruel but fair way to create pressure in every game. (For the love of Lawlor, if you do get DI pls do not be tempted by the “save SIM” setting...bastardizes the experience IMO).
If you can find a decent TZ locally it will no doubt hold or increase value. And: can get one likely $3 or 4K less than DI. Would be a “no regret” decision, as long as the maintenance realities don’t scare you off. DI will be easier to find for some time. And: though I expect it to hold value, we’ll have to wait and see if that’s the case.
If you only have space or funds for 1, would honestly go DI. Especially if you have kids - with the light show, magnets, Selfie mode, etc...it’s made WOZ lonely (which - with grade school girls, never thought would happen).
I don't think new machines are immune from maintenance nightmares. JJP games make me nervous with all the gear needed to run them. Some guys seem to have a lot of issues but also heard JJP worked out a lot of issues over the years.
What makes TZ a maintenance nightmare? I've always heard that but never any details other than the clock board which is an easy fix. I just picked one up and so far it doesn't seem that bad. I had to replace and tweak a few things but that's normal pinball stuff. Nice thing about TZ is that it's a really popular game with many out there so lots of parts available.
I’ve had a TZ for about 5 years, then had to sell it. I miss it, and it is a great playing game. I had to do some basic repairs but it was pretty reliable. I just received my Dialed In, 2 weeks ago. I had a honeymoon phase for all the pins I have purchased, and even some regrets, within a couple of weeks, but I think the honeymoon phase for DI, will be way longer than anything else I have purchased. It really grabs me, in a good way.
I don’t think a pin has made me smile this much, in a long time. Now, in 3 years, I may change my tune, but I’ve got a real love affair going on with DI, that I really did not expect at all.
I did do some tweaking to Dialed In, like adding cliffy protectors, adjusting magnet rates, adding ninja pinballs, and I had an opto that came out of its place. Other than that, it’s been good. My build date was November. Really stoked about this one.
As always, I would suggest playing one, after learning the rules, before making a decision. Both are great games.
Great choices here although game play is very different. Wide body vs standard body.
TZ has a great theme and a ton of unique features. Lost in the Zone is one of the coolest end modes in pinball. There is certainly a lot to do and great callouts from a bunch of the best games ever made.
DI has less of a theme but also a great variety of unique features. I've not been able to achieve as much on the game so the depth is likely there but I've never made it to the end. I will say it's a great game to shoot and the interaction with the game (selfie and emoji mode) will be a hit with your younger guests. This is why I voted dialed in. My kids love this aspect, as a 35 year old, I don't necessarily love it but seeing them enjoy it is all I need.
Good luck on your decision. Both games are great choices.
I love both pins, but I would easily choose DI because of all the modern tech. It gets pretty old fixing these WMS games. I hate to be the Kylo Ren of pinball but maybe it's time to let old things die.
I enjoyed owning my TZ a ton but after 10 years I wanted something new. However, I wouldn't have sold my TZ had not Dialed In not been built. Dialed In comes across as TZ 2.0 in my mind, a game designed and coded and worked on by many of the original TZ team. DI is such a cool and fun game designed by Pat Lawlor and coded by Ted Estes. I've been extremely impressed with the game so far.
This comparison has stumped me the most of all of these. TZ absolutely slaughters with theme but DI succeeds on so many more levels with flow, depth and tech. Although old something about tz is still special. I just despise that power mini pf. Still it's such a classic. Haven't voted yet..... Great question
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