When I nail the right orbit/ramp, it occasionally (~20%?) doesn't make it's way through the grey/plastic ramp and up to the wireform. Instead, it bounces back and typically goes in the skill shot slot, pops, or back down the right orbit.

I've studied some slow motion video and believe the ball hits the ramp flap and goes airborne, eventually striking the corner of the metal guide (see diagram).

I imagine dialing down the left flipper power would fix this, but wanted to know if anyone else has dealt with this. Flippers feel awesome and would like to avoid dialing them down for this one shot.

Anyone else experience occasional right orbit/ramp rejects?

Thanks for any help,

snaroff

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It's either luck, or your flippers aren't operating at full strength. Until I dialed in my EOS switches and loosened up the flipper bats, my flippers weren't operating at full strength (and some of these ball speed sensitive issues didn't surface).

snaroff

Thanks for passing along Pat's comments! I've already considered Pat's suggestions (though I haven't discussed this issue with him).

As I said in my original post, I believe the problem is the fairly thick flap is causing the ball to be airborne. The problem isn't the ramp per se...it's the flap that bridges the PF with the ramp. If the ball were staying glued to the PF/flap/ramp, it would function 100%. I'm not saying some of the ramp's aren't "off", but mine isn't. If I take the ball and run it by hand, the ramp is perfectly aligned with the metal ball guide.

Once or twice a game is roughly what I'm seeing, but I'm at default flipper speed. Before I "cave" and dial down the flipper, I have an idea I'm going to try out. Keep you posted! Would love to solve this and not surprised I'm not the only one with this problem...

Thanks for speaking up!

snaroff

Think I solved the problem (for my machine...YMMV).

I created a vinyl bridge between the PF and the flap to avoid airballs. Took me 5 minutes. Only had to remove the upper PF and gate to pops to access. If I wanted a perfect seam, the wireform would have needed to be removed. Considering where it is located, a perfect seam isn't necessary.

Here is the tape I used:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000FPDKI4/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00

More testing is necessary, but I'm optimistic. I've never felt the ball fly around the ramp/wireform like this...a result of the ball staying planted firmly on the PF/flap/ramp/wireform. Bet that even when it wasn't being rejected, the flap was causing the ball trajectory to go off course and lose momentum.

Will post back with my results after more testing.

Hopeful this is my last major issue to resolve...yeah!

snaroff

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Correct. When the flipper is fully extended, the switch should fire. If the switch fires early, you don't get the full force.

snaroff

Sounds good...look forward to hearing if it works for you. I played about 5 games and the difference is huge...no rejects and the shot feels perfect overall. Silky smooth.

Don't know if you've had the bounce out/back problems with the left wireform, however the tape works there as well to prevent the ball from going airborne. Less invasive and simpler than the funky JJP plastic cage. Since installing the tape, haven't had one bounce back or bounce out

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/dialed-in-owners-and-fans-club/page/42#post-4134733

snaroff

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