I'm happy to say that I'll be joining this club this weekend! I ordered a DI LE and am really looking forward to getting it.

I'm told it has the latest cliffies, etc. The one thing I'm concerned about, reading this thread, is cutting the mylar off of the magnets. For the drone magnet, it sounds like I just take an xacto knife and trace it around the metal magnet on the top of the playfield, is that right? For the one under the theater, people seem to remove the magnet from the underside and cut it out from there. I do have a question about that. It would seem that you are then cutting the mylar with nothing solid behind it. I would think this wouldn't cut evenly. Is there some trick to it that I'm missing? Cutting mylar is all new to me so any advice would be much appreciated!

Hi all. Can I ask this question again? I’m very nervous about cutting Mylar on my own and would really like some advice. Especially for the Mylar on the theater magnet. Thanks!

Thanks guys. I’m used to removing stuff and fixing things. What sounded scary to me is cutting the Mylar from the underside as you are cutting against air so I thought it would make an uneven cut. In other words, from the bottom of the playfield, you have a hole where the magnet was, and the hole is covered with Mylar, sticky side facing you. If you cut around that hole, there is no support on the other side, so it would seem to me to cut unevenly. Did you put a small piece of wood against the top of the playfield while you cut from under it? Or am I completely confused and getting this mixed up?

It came!

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Unfortunaely, right at power up, there were two malfunction alerts -- the moving statue and the moving target, two key features of the game. They wouldn't operate in test mode. Feeling deflated, I checked all connections under the playfield, and everythign looked good. I finally decided to check the backbox and sure enough, two connectors were unplugged. Now, all is well.

What a blast to play! It is a fairly hard game too. Watching videos of some the best players, like Bowen's tutorial, before purchasing, can mislead you into thinking it is easy to get through modes. It's not. But it is addictive.

And, this happened on my 10th game. I don't know if that's a good score or not, but it felt like a pretty good one.

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Thanks. I haven’t come close since. I think I collected some SIM cards early on that game. Probably just beginners luck.

Same with mine. I do have a signed certificate though.

They are quite good, but I get the sense they are getting busy again and things are slowing down. Calling works best but may be expensive from where you are.

Hi all, I have a few questions with this new game:

1. In the goodie bag, my game came with two semi-circular mylar sheets for in front of the slings, but the mylar was not installed. By contrast, when I got my WOZ, the mylar was already in the game. Is this true with others? If so, for those of you who have this in a home use environment, have you installed the mylar? I wax regularly so I'm not sure if it is necessary.

2. Has anyone felt the need to put mylar where the ball drops onto the playfield from Station 3?

3. There is a white insert light right behind the Theater that is always on. I assume it is supposed to be on so that you can see behind the Theater screen when there isn't an image displayed? Am I right?

4. I just got to Chaos in Quantum City. Is there an end to it, or does it just go on with you collecting jackpots and avoiding attacks until you drain?

Thanks!

One other question. What controls the position of the diverted arm? Sometimes, even when I’m not in a mode, I believe the arm is down and diverts the ball. Other times it is up. I would have thought it was mode based, but it seems other things may affect it.

I wonder what the rationale for that is, or is it just an excuse to mix things up?

Call them. I think they will consider it under warranty.

Really? I don’t think that’s ever happened to me. I can’t really picture it. I’ll have to take a closer look tomorrow.

But you can save before doing a full install, right? And then reload your settings and audits?

Question: when I lock a ball, I can bypass multiball by pressing both flippers twice on the start of the next ball. But, if I drain that ball, then on the next ball I can no longer bypass multiball. Is that right, or am I missing something?

So, I have trouble locking more than one ball. I think it is because after locking one, I have to start a disaster mode and then lock another all on the same ball. If I drain, I’m stuck with a two ball MB. So, by design, it seems for an average player like me, it is tough to get a 3 ball MB.

Ah, thanks. I’ve occasionally added a ball but wasn’t sure how.

Now that you mention that, I did see that and forgot about it later. I'm having trouble keeping track of the rules with this game, a little more so than other games. One the one hand, the main mode rules are fairly easy to follow. On the other, there is a lot of other stuff going on that I'm trying to get a handle on. Still having a blast with it all, though.

Are people able to make a full left orbit on their machines? I sometimes can, but more often the ball ends up slowing down and going into the pops. Is that normal?

Thanks all for the responses on the orbit. I'll try to up my flipper strength some more, though I already did that a couple of times. I'll also play around with the pitch.

The trap door is flat, but there is still a slight bump from the hinge in back that I'm guessing slows down the ball somewhat, though I imagine there is nothing I can do about that . . . .

I upped my flipper strength another notch, and it does seem to help make the orbit shot. You guys are right, though. It takes a pretty accurate shot to make it. The left orbit is actually pretty tight, and if you don't hit it right, the ball can slow down from the beginning.

I also just had a really good game going. Completed a mode, got a sim card, completed another mode, lit the sim card shot, and then got the ball stuck behind one of the drones. When I went to free it, I drained, and it was my last ball. I was sure I was on my way to a new GC score too.

Does that happen? That’s not by design, right?

While normally I agree with you, if someone’s not enjoying the game to the point that they want to get rid of it, there’s no reason not to change the settings. That is one of the things I love about JJPs pins is that almost everything is adjustable so that you can DIAL it IN to your own likes and playing ability.

See what I did there.

I made WOZ easier when I first got it by being generous with extra balls. Now that I’ve gotten more used to the table, I dialed everything back to make it more challenging.

Has anyone bought one of those candy chrome shooter rods for DI? I was looking at the blue one but wasn’t sure how the color matched up to the LE.

Someone posted in another thread that there is a new MB shown on the flowchart related to the theater modes. Anyone know whether this is in existing code and how exactly it is achieved?

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Love their commitment to code!

Come to think of it, I just inquired about the printed manuals the other day and were told they were at the printers so I’m guessing this is the last update to the manual, and it is now final. So, if they were adding another MB, it makes sense to put it in the manual now.

So, I’m a week into owning DI and two years into owning WOZ. They are completely different and both great. WOZ is all about stacking and has a lot of stop and go action. DI is about mastering the modes and flow. The code on both is deep and light years ahead of the competition. Theme integration on both is also amazing. I like contrast in my lineup. Variety is the spice of life. You will be very pleased with your purchase.

Start 6 disaster modes.

Thanks. I am having more rejects on the right ramp. I will have to either look into this or the velcro fix described earlier.

Code 1.52 is pretty much complete, isn't it? I mean, I know that we just discovered that they are adding a new multiball related to the theater, but that's just icing on the cake at this point. Or, is there something larger missing that I'm unaware of?

Sometimes, my theater magnet does not catch a fast moving ball when it is supposed to. Is there a setting to adjust this? The theater magnet setting description seems like it does something else. Thanks.

My guess is that there is a switch there that is not registering the ball. Put into switch test mode and check.

Is that right? Another plus for JJP. My game was built in February so I guess it has Titans. And here I was just debating whether to put them in, not realizing I already had them.

I’m pretty sure the flippers are regular rubbers though. Those I will likely replace.

Yeah, I've converted a couple of machines to Titans and have been very pleased. The flippers do feel a bit different than standard rubber, but for the most part it is fine. All of the rings behave about the same.

I should have realized that's why all of the rings on my DI looked so shiny. I'm really glad to see JJP do this. I love the white on DI too. For other games, I've tried to color match the rings, but white on DI gives it a really clean, sleak look.

Just waxed mine after 1 week of play. Used P21S, another great brand, but slightly fewer flakes left behind than Blitz.

Where can you get these? I didn’t see them on the Cliffy website.

I find it way harder to play on the phone. The level of control you have is diminished, and you don’t get that tactile sense. That said, the app is flawless in execution, without any lag. It is a cool feature that may be appealing for some, but probably not for most pinheads.

I find the right ramp/loop to be an extremely tight shot. I’m always hitting the phone scoop or drones instead. It is hard to find the sweet spot for the ramp. Do others agree?

EMP is my favorite mode. First of all, I can complete it. Even though it is dangerous, it is only three shots to the theater. And, it totally keeps me on my toes. The magnet action is insane, and you can’t ever predict what path the ball will take. Super fun.

In settings, you can adjust the face recognition aspect of the camera. If it is too particular, it may not be detecting your face enough and therefore not displaying the picture. You would need to adjust it a few degrees. I’m guessing the feature prevents people from taking unseemly pictures on location.

How do you get the alternate Station 3?

I was just curious as I didn’t know the history. I like the new design, but both are cool.

Looks great!

Pretty much sums up my games.

This ball trap has happened to me a number of times now. Has anyone else had this problem, and if so, is there an easy fix?

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My location is impossible to shake free as well. The good thing is that it only happens during my best games.

Congrats! And agreed. This game isn’t a drain monster, but it is a challenge to do well. The more I understand the rules and get the shot geometry and flow, the better I do. But I still have so far to go .....

What are the four LEDs on the apron for? Just decoration? I’ve seen videos of people putting their phones there with the app on, but I don’t think the LEDs themselves do anything. Do they?

Thanks. That’s what I figured.

It took me 1.5-2 weeks to get a feel for the shots. Not sure why. Maybe just new pin syndrome. I’m now pretty good with the theater, left ramp and left orbit. I’m also pretty good with the side ramp. The right ramp is still a very tight shot for me. When modes require it early on, I try to rely on Big Bang, which is also a tight shot, but at least I only have to make it once.

Just got to Chaos In Quantum City for the second time. This time I paid more attention to the mode. Man, what a rush! The light show is great, and I was in the zone, just hitting ramp after ramp. At some point, I looked up to check my score, and drained in the process. Reminded me of the Kenny Rogers song: "You never count your money while you're sittin' at the table / There'll be time enough for countin' when the dealing's done".

I do wish they would add a MB or wizard mode that allowed you to actually complete an objective. I love the Battle the Wicked Witch wizard mode in WOZ, for instance. It is so tough, but when you melt the witch, it is a great feeling, and you are awarded with a 5 ball victory MB. Of course, in WOZ there really aren't modes like in DI, so perhaps that evens things out.

Yeah, it almost feels like an amped up version of Under Attack. It would be cool if it started with some goal to achieve, like stop four attacks with three balls, and only if you made the goal would it turn into a victory 5 ball free for all. Either that or make the Under Attack MB more objective based.

Just had my best game yet! Was two modes away from Armageddon. I felt like I couldn’t lose, until of course, I did. But, still, it was awesome. I love some of the later modes. Hit a new GC score of 1.8 million. What an amazing pin!

I was wondering that too. I’ve completed it twice. It ends with a shot to the side ramp. However, other shots are lit. Are they just for points until you can get the side ramp, or do they add to the value of the side ramp shop?

Also,what are the rules for acid rain cloud?

Agreed.

More importantly, this is the second post I've seen about that trap door flap breaking. I'm assuming its just a coincidence, but is there anything we should be doing to lessen the chance of that happening?

That sucks. It seems like a tough thing to replace. I wonder where the failure point is. It would be nice to know if there was something that could be done in advance, like reinforcing the underside somehow.

I was thinking the same thing. Do you think the stress comes from the trap door closing and always hitting the same place or the ball rolling over it? Either way, I wonder if a mylar strip would help absord and distribute the stress just a little.

Does anyone know if that is easy to get to, or do you have to take off one or more ramps? It kind of looks like you have to remove ramps.

I wasn’t looking at the area when I posted. My mistake. It looks like you need to remove the wireform though. Am I wrong? Or are you saying that with the playfield extended you can get it from the side?

One other question. I assume this had no effect on ball travel so you can still make the full left orbit, is that right?

Wow, did you make that?

I was thinking about the mode construction today and how good it is. It is so nicely balanced. The modes that are easier to complete, like EMP and Meteor, are nevertheless dangerous to play. And, the modes that are harder to complete and require more shots, especially of that right ramp which is the bane of my existence, are more safe.

I often try to start with EMP or Meteor just due to the fact that I can complete them and get the sim card shot lit. (EMP is so crazy though. While it is fairly simple to complete, the ball can literally be flung by the magnets anywhere, and you have to be on your toes.) Once I have Big Bang lit, I will try a harder mode. However, even then, hitting Big Bang can be risky, and I've had several times where I've rejoiced at hitting it only to have the ball shoot back down and drain before I can react.

Anyway, it is very well thought out and enormously fun.

On both my WOZ and DI, I can’t lift the playfield without scratching against the sides, and that’s without blades. I don’t know how people with blades do it.

Am I right in my assumption that overcharging the phone increases the point value of the mode shots?

Makes a nice risk vs reward aspect to the game. That can be pretty significant if especially if you have some SIM cards. But hitting the QED guy over and over can also be a bit dangerous.

That's disappointing to learn but good to know.

I find drone to be very difficult. High voltage is probably the easiest, and I’ve completed it. Monkey Wrench is probably in the middle since the left ramp is fairly easy to hit, and you just need to get lucky with the timing.

You have the true cliffys. You can exercise some strategies to get the SIM card. It is hard to hit straight on. One strategy is to start a MB when it is lit to get a better chance of having the ball go in randomly. Or you can play a mode like meteor where you are shooting the standups to try to get the ball to bounce in. I also find that I can hit it every so often from the upper flipper, so going after the theater shot to the upper flipper is good as you will eventually nail it.

Ok, I was a little slow to realize this, but I just caught on to all the modern physics puns. I’m kind of geeking out about it. Quantum Mechanic. Schroedingers cash. The creators are defintiely having a bit of physics fun.

Maybe after JJP does Willie Wonka with Gene Wilder, they can do a Peter Sellers pin. Dr. Strangelove? Pink Panther?

It’s just disappointing in the fact that I thought I was getting a ton of multiplied points by hitting Big Bang when in fact I wasn’t. But, you are right. It increases the risk/reward aspects of the game, and that makes things more interesting.

Nice! So, what's the plot for Showdown? It looks like you are fighting against DIE itself.

Yeah, the attention to detail in this pin is phenomenal. Just thinking back to the reveal and how much criticism they got before anyone had even played it makes me feel bad. To put that much effort into something only to have people fixate on stuff like the name must have been really deflating. I’m glad they eventually got all the credit they were due.

The yellow BOB award raises the bonus x. I believe it can also be raised with a random drone package award.

I’m pretty sure that after 2000 games, I will have reached it zero times.

The use of the theater there is really cool. I also love how they use the theater in the match sequence with the spotlight shining up onto the LCD screen.

That's awesome!

For #3, if the camera doesn’t recognize a face, it either displays a blank picture or an old picture of you. You can adjust the recognition sensitivity of the camera in settings.

I’m getting a ton of air balls off of the standoff’s. The problem is that if I lower my right flipper power another point or two, I can’t always make the right orbit all the way around. The ball falls to the pops. Any ideas of what to do to avoid the air balls? They keep hitting the wireforms.

Your games have cliffys. They switched over to cliffys in January at some point.

Ugh! I’m still getting way too many air balls even though I reduced power to the flippers quite a bit. Every time I hit a stand up target or brick the phone shot, it seems as if I get an air ball. I swear this wasn’t happening a week ago, but I can’t be sure. Anyway, I might try raising or lowering the back legs a bit. I think raising is the correct direction to prevent airballs, is that right?

I just watched a video of someone beating Showdown. So, it looks like it is you vs. DIE, and you both have health meters. I guess you have to hit the jackpots to reduce their health meter before their attacks reduce yours. That's pretty cool. I was disappointed though that when the person won, there was no fanfare or celebration. It just went back to normal game play with the balls that were left still in play. Perhaps the video I saw was early code. Does anyone know? If it is current code, I really hope they add in some celebratory animations at the end. Something like what happens when you melt the witch on WOZ. Not that I'll ever see it, but if I do, and if I beat Showdown, I want a celelbration. And it better be good!

Current code is 1.52 so I guess that’s what we have so far. Maybe the next update will add something to it. They are adding a whole new MB after all.

Yeah, but JJP is at a different level than the rest. The ending to Battle the Wicked Witch on WOZ is one of the greatest moments in Pinball. Here’s hoping they can do a little something more with DI.

Yeah, me too. I just like knowing that’s it’s there.

Yes. I believe so.

I believe one shot to the side ramp ends the tidal wave mode. All other shots are just points. Or perhaps they raise the value of the final shot.

*@#!*$ is what I say when I complete a mode and simultaneously drain before collecting the SIM card.

Nah. I’m a glutton for punishment and like the challenge. Maybe someday when I’m sufficiently frustrated at never getting more than 2 or 3 SIM cards.

I have the cliffies. It is not too bad, but it is still more luck than anything.

You mean like this:

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You can see a little bit of lightening right under the button. I’ve only had my pin for 6 weeks. None of my other NIB pins did that. It is not a huge deal and is barely noticeable, but it is strange and somewhat disappointing that it is happening at all. I just bought some vinyl cling flipper button protectors from Titan to ensure it doesn’t get worse.

Weird. Could it be a defect in the printing rather than wear? I don’t know whether mine came that way or not, but I don’t think so.

By coincidence, my vinyl cling protectors came from Titan today, and I just put them on. They cover the area great, stick well, and are easily removable. They are like holiday window clings. Perhaps a better solution than Mylar given how easy they can be removed and switched to other pins if necessary.

Yes, mine is the right side. Thanks to you both for confirming. It sounds like it is either part of the image or perhaps a minor defect in the batch. Either way, I'm glad that it is not from wear. Strange that it looks just like a finger mark. I guess I bought the button protectors for nothing. Oh well, no harm in using them.

They don’t ignore it. I’ve gotten very good and prompt advice through it. It can be hit or miss at times, so a call is always wise if they don’t respond. It sounds like Frank is out for a bit and Paul supposedly has left, so they may be a little short staffed at the moment. They always follow through though. It may just take a reminder or two.

Another geeky physics thing I noticed: Quantum City's motto is "We're probably here. . . . And so are you."

I believe that when you get the ball into the shooter lane, and it auto plunges, it counts as a right ramp shot. I think this is because the ball hits the switch right at the end of the shooter ramp and then completes the path all the way to the wire form. I noticed this when I completed the volcano mode without successfully making a single right ramp shot. I was in MB, and the ball save was on when I drained a few times. Each drain led to an auto plunge which counted as a right ramp shot.

I'm pretty sure I noticed this at other times as well.

Anyway, I thought I would pass it along in case others hadn't noticed. It could be a strategy used to complete some of the harder modes. Start MB when you need the right ramp and let the balls drain.

I also wonder if I put my auto plunger on higher strength whether it would shoot the ball hard enough to miss that first switch in the right lane and thus not count as a complete shot . . . .

Not to mention adding a new multiball. See the newly released game flow chart.

GDPR has changed the rules on a lot of things in Europe including the use of photographs of people. If the player doesn’t know that their picture is going to be taken and perhaps used on the high score board, it may be a problem.

Well, that should do it then.

People are going to have different definitions of "deep". DI, in my opinion, is as deep as any of the other pins. There are 9 disaster modes or so to play, 3 wizard modes, one main multiball, 3 side multiballs (soon to be 4 with the new code release), 3 crazy Bob objectives, and 4 theatre objectives. It is well balanced so, with the exception of the wizard modes, you have a chance at seeing all of these features, just not in the same game unless you are a really good player. You play through the modes linearly, but they are random at the start, so each game does feel a bit different. The main objective of collecting SIM cards also adds to the whole experience.

However, it is not a game like WOZ which is all about planning and stacking to maximize your points. There are more strategic decisions to make in WOZ, and you play it completely differently. For example, you are not really rewarded for stacking in DI, but you have to stack in WOZ to get the most points. I would characterize them both as equally deep, just very different in terms of rules and objectives. Both are good. Some will like one rule set; and others will like the other type of rule set.

People should play it and see if they like it. They shouldn't worry if the code is deep. There is plenty to do; it just depends upon whether you like doing it.

EDIT: 11 modes, not 9.

I picked up a T shirt at Pintastic. I wear it with pride!

This is true. It would be nice if the Bob modes and theatre modes were more lucrative so there was an incentive to play them. They’re still fun, but I agree that most of the time I ignore them.

Yes, you're right. I wasn't thinking of the BOB multiballs when I posted. I actually really like those MBs, and there is a useful reward for completing them. They are short and have simple but creative rules centered around one objective. I agree though that Drones Gone Wild is the outlier. I find that one very difficult to complete.

I take back a little bit what I said about the BOB modes not being lucrative. I've gotten some decent points on the lottery ticket mode when I concentrate on it. And, I've gotten some decent points on the emoji mode, though I don't understand how the scoring works for that mode and whether I am better to let the emojis accumulate and then hit a shot or just hit shots quickly. I do wish they would up the value of the selfie mode. I love frenzy modes, and the one in WOZ can lead to some crazy points. Even when I've played the selfie mode in DI with a MB going, I never get that many points.

I will also say that some of these side objectives can really add to your bonus. I think a lot of us ignore them because they don't seem immediately gratifying in terms of points. But, I've had some pretty high bonuses that results from the number of side objectives I've done along the way. I do wish it was easier to increase your bonus multiplier. I never get mine about 2x because you just have to go through so many BOB modes to increase it. It would be nice if there was something else in the game (beside the random award) that also allowed you to increase the multiplier.

Yes, you’re right. But I’m not that great at getting the skill shot.

The difference between the standard and the LE is just bling. All features and game play are the same. You just miss the powder coated rails, invisiglass, leds on the ramp, and a few other cosmetic features. I believe even the standard has a shaker motor.

Also, not sure if you are aware of this feature, but on both you can control the flippers with an app on your phone. I don't really like using it, but I've had kids who think its really cool.

I don't think I can backhand the left ramp at all. I didn't know it was possible.

Ok. I’ll have to try it. I backhand the scoop all the time. I find it easier than hitting it with the left flipper.

Perhaps start by finding the connector for the opto under the playfield. With the power off, unplug it and then plug it back together. See if that fixes it and report back.