"...sold more in 1 day...it's a hit". I take it you mean $250 down on each game not $9000. The people at shows are not a mirror of likely sales imo. Maybe the UK doesn't matter but if there are more than 5 games in the country by the end of next year I will be surprised.

UK price is £9495 ( $11570 )

If you know the sales numbers tell me how many UK sales.

I agree it looks like a good playing game. That is not enough at $9k. It has to tick all boxes. It doesn't so in my opinion very few people are going to travel far to try it anyway. JJP's first two games are very good and match the asking price. As things stand it's clear the vast majority of pinball fans think this is a fail. Look at the poll thread.

Is this a potential problem ? They get 2000 deposits of $250 dollars. They build them and then 80% of customers ( 1600 ) pull out. What happens then ?

And they don't even drop any coins at shows never mind buy the game.

Ok. That's a knee jerk reaction. Be sure to report back when people realize they can get their deposit back.
I suspect you will also have the largest return you have ever seen in a 9mth time. IE when people go back and tell their wives.

"A phone rings and the games called Dialed In. " "Sounds terrible but if it's a few grand...err it's 9k + shipping

Pinball Heaven in UK. How many orders so far ? ( NON- refundable £250 btw )

Sure have as much fun as you can. ( It won't be easy over here at $11500 ) But this thread is essentially about whether JJP is going to SELL this game in numbers that would be considered a success.

But Joe you are in the business. You praise everything to the sky. Absolutely no problem with that. And I know you love the coin-op scene whether it's business or not. I think WOZ and Hobbit are great games. They tick all the boxes and although expensive are in my opinion value for money. Let's see if JJP move on price or give people the option to change to a standard machine. I would tell Jack what I think and how many he is likely to sell in UK/Europe at $11500.

Yes the 20% VAT doesn't help and also with Stern I understand everything has to go via a sole UK importer in London. So Pinball Heaven ( exclusive UK JJP importer ) gets 10% put on Stern games because he can't buy direct.

So the US is still getting a much better deal than us. I do think there is a big opportunity for Heighway with kits at 60% of the game price. As well as space issues for many buyers.

I was surprised he did that. As you say it involved having big money tied up for years. Jack has been wonderful for pinball but I think we may be coming to the end of a honeymoon era.

I still see a tricky future for this game. The WOZ and Hobbit standards have all the gameplay features of the LE's.

I think JJP will have to consider reducing the price of the LE. Because if it stays at 9k the standard can't be too much less unless it's completely stripped down.

Once people have put down $250 when do they have to pay the balance ? I think I heard Jack say a couple of weeks before you get the game. If so they could end up with a warehouse full if large numbers cancel late on.

Why would you want to get say 2k off the cost of a new game when you could likely sell it yourself for probably at least double that ? Unless you think JJP are going to sell you one now for 9k and allow you 5k off a new one in two years. Not very likely.

The pricing and the models/numbers is a real mess. That is unless you think we are in TAF or TZ unit production 5 figures. If the price had been 7.5k 2000 LE's and no more special editions guaranteed he would have had a good chance of actual sales not deposits. Also not giving a number for the collector's edition another mistake.

Jack will only give you 7k for a two year old pinball if a loaf of bread is 1k.

There are 60m. people in Britain. How many Dialed In machines in UK 12 months from now ? I would be confident less than 10.

I don't sell to UK regardless not sure why you would post here.

This is a forum and an ad. But forget the UK I'm really talking about $ price in the US. I just want to see JJP and pinball sell as many games as possible. We will see what Jack does. If he doesn't eat a large slice of humble pie he's heading for trouble. Just my opinion. On the positive side I have seem more videos of the game and have been very impressed by the gameplay and lightshow.

I read the UK pinball forum yesterday and it was unanimous that the NIB pinball business from US firms is now just about dead. Even the sole UK JJP distributor said he was not going to EAG London in January. ( Our biggest amusement machine show ) He has been there the last few years. He reckons that he wouldn't sell to ONE operator. Big taxes and exchange rates are problems but so is the initial cost of games.

Good posts. A nightmare scenario with this payment model is hundreds/thousands canceling in Spring. These days of social media people may get together to make a point. When Jack started many people thought they were a real part of a new adventure. Not just customers in a numbers sense. I believe that feeling has been lost for many first in a small way with the WOZ RR and now with too big a price on game 3. If was mentioned that Stern can stand one machine being a fail. But they release 3+ games a year.

If they were from pinheads wives I would be impressed !

Going by his ad on the website and the "reviews" I will be amazed if there is any move downwards on the price of the LE in the near future. And any artwork changes likely to be just the side cabinet imo.

I think what you have said should be read by JJP. There are more important things to be concerned about in the world but it would be a shame if the momentum in pinball and particularly JJP is lost because of near crazy levels of optimism from what is a low deposit funding system where the rug can easily be pulled from beneath you.