If I was Heighway at their seminar, I would pull a Sony Playstation like reveal. Show the game. Say the price. Drop the mic.

When is the game shipping?

This thing is absolute garbage. Worse than New Coke.

Anybody that thinks this thing is going to do well on location is delusional. Just about everything is licensed these days. Look at the casino games. It's what people expect. It's what draws them in.

This thing is going to fall fast

and probably close to the 15k mark here in Australia.

Are you are expo? Or have you formed your opinion based off a sales pitch and behind your keyboard?

Your posts are toxic to this forum and you are reaching Ka**da status.

Gary has said many times one of the reasons he won't do un-licensed is that distributors would say "send me 2 to test". This is exactly the situation we're in, this game will need to be played by people because the theme does not sell itself.

Can JJP handle a "sleeper" game, that won't have huge front loaded sales. That will be the challenge.

Skimming through front page and the BM66 posts... one thing is clear by comparison, this reveal shut down BM66... i think they picked up 1.5 new pages of posts vs 20+ for this game. Granted much of it is complaining but were still all talking about Jacks game and not the competition, that says something.

Majority seems to agree with me.

I know you're feel oppressed being in the minority. It's understandable that you're lashing out.

I wonder if we will look back 5 years from now and say the same thing about $9k for this pin. With all the new pins coming to market - I suspect not. I won't be buying one NIB - will wait and see how things go the next 12-24 months.

Code is no where near done very unfair to judge the game as is; give them 6 months to get code done

Shut it down in a good way. Now, everybody is complaining about this.

Meanwhile, Batman continues to impress.

Not really, more people are saying the opposite as they actually see and play the game.

Also, just because a game has a licensed attached to it doesn't automatically make it a success. Theres been plenty of licensed games that have tanked over the years.

Thank goodness the owner of pinside has a good head on his shoulders! Well put Robin

Wrong.

And I never said every licensed game is a hit.

I think it's great JJP did an original theme. Looks like fun, not my type of theme or something I would buy, but would definitely play it on location. Problem is pricing and how come JJP can't make a "pro" version. If it's too expensive that even operators don't buy it, no one can enjoy it on location either.

I think the code looked great from what I saw.

Just telling you the facts, feedback from people that have actually PLAYED the game is very positive.

JJP's failure doesn't make B66's price any cheaper. It's still worth less than any JJP game and because of the price Alien is getting more traction in a lot of people's minds.

This may sound like a joke but they need an option to change the ringtone and disable the picture taking sounds. Unbelievably annoying. We pretty much expect everyone to silence their phones these days.

Game looks fun to me in the videos. I admit I like cartoony, goofy, and different games. I also appreciate something original and not another old rockband or retread like Stern often does. I knew it would not be cheap so never really any thought of getting one before reveal. Lawlor is far from the god or king of pinball in my eyes. Yes, he had some pretty good games but also some very forgettable ones. The game definitely has everyone talking.

Yeah my buddy is there and kept saying how fun it was and I dont even think he's a lawlor fan. It looks like fun to me, Ill just have to wait until a rich person near me buys one

You know ...I played the game...IT IS FUN AND THE GAME IS WELL MADE...I Believe in JJP and I still think they are the best out in regards to details and making a quality pinball game. I will say that i was shocked on the 6999 LE.....I dont think that has been done before and to us collectors...that is not a LE.r

I think it is well done and it will be interesting to see how things develop over the next year......So the question is ...Will I be getting one???

Your #&^@%! $# right I will...I am going to get the collectors edition...i think it will be well worth the money...I will have it at our showroom for my clients and public to play. I trust the company and this will be a good game.

If this game had been $6500 or $7000 everyone would be loving the "theme" that's the truth. Jack banked on Pats brand and from what I've seen of the short video and people that have played reactions he picked a winner designer, Pat with Keith coding and a solid budget will produce a great playing game and almost certainly dialled in will be a great playing game. Unfortunately Jack forgot that twilight zone and Addams family were both licensed themes and despite Pats reputation you still need a license to be the number 1 selling pinball of all time, nothing Pat could of done to change that. Add in a price at least 20% above people's estimates going in and yes the backlash we seeing is understandable. As much as Jack makes a quality product he has not been able to combine all elements together to create a truly stellar product that secures his place in pinball history. Stern has produced LOTR, Spider-Man , Simpsons, Acdc, Ironman, Metallica etc.. Etc.. This history alone gives them credibility only matched by Bally/williams golden age. JJP needs to have at least one smash out hit that transcends the fanboys and haters and is universally acknowledged as one of the great pinball tables of all time. WOZ was close but not quite universally loved to cement the JJP brand or make it bullet proof. Based on what I've seen and the positive feedback of the gameplay and videos, had JJP given Pat say toy story or bond, most of us would be singing a different tune.

Jack needs to get things 100% right on the next machine (if there is one) and cement themselves as a true Stern competitor. No one else has anywhere near the capabilities to take it to Stern like JJP, yet he is letting himself be upstaged by a bug ridden, alien. Hell he is even getting upstaged by Jpop 2.0 in American pinball that is how bad things are.

Ryan, will you be picking one up to route? And if so, which version?

Tough choice for me, that's a lot of scratch. For that price, I could pick up TZ and a TAF (if I could find them) with some cash left over.

I was hoping to have a show piece when I open my location. So far, Alien seems to be hitting the sweet spot in terms of price ... add to that the ability to buy kits, and for an OP, it seems like a good purchase.

I played it. Game play and ball flow is solid. No doubt about it.

Cell phones for me though represent the workplace so it didn't give me something to really get excited about it which is unfortunate because the gameplay and original theme is really good. It just seems to be focused on the life size iPhone on the playfield and takes away from the underlying theme and initial reaction. This is a bummer because I'm a huge Pat Lawlor fan.

Personally, selfies blow balls but I'm probably in the minority when it comes to selfies so the whole selfie gimmick had zero value to me.

I'll probably buy the game someday because of the game play but not not right away unfortunately. If it's not too late, re-title the game and lose the cell phone and this will sell like hot cakes.

Full disclosure:
I am a fan of JJ and Stern. I own Sterns and JJP. Price doesn't deter me.

I need to go on record after seeing this game inside and out and all the toys in it I think they have a huge winner here. Those of you criticizing the game without playing it really need to take a breath and wait. So much going on in this game .

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From the thousands of themes this hobby has there is no way to predict a machines outcome based on its name. I think we have become accustom to licensed themes for the past many years so when an original title comes along we are a bit off balance. The only issue for me is the price...$9000 seems a bit high. I own a small business and learned early in the research process that every business operates in 1 of 3 modes. It is up to the business owner to pick his M.O.

1)You can price high, stock low and shoot for big profits on every sale at the risk of another company under pricing you. (Limited Buyer)
2)Price medium, stock medium, balanced profits and cash flow. (Average Buyer)
3)Price low, stock high, operate at a high volume output. (All Buyers) This mode can have very high profits if managed correctly. Much better production discounts due to buying supplies in greater quantities. Often dominates markets and can provide an awesome cash flow which can often be more important than profit depending on your business structure!

There is nothing that prevents a large company from offering lower than average prices and still make money other than their capability to produce the product and capitalism!

Game does look fun and heck the price is not horrible when viewed next to TDK VE pro price. I guess the name/phone thing is just bad to me. I could do without any reference to cell phone or selfie or text message. The presentation was horrible JJP should have had some real hi quality gameplay videos.

Thanks for the feedback - I never assumed it would not be fun to play, just still really disappointed in the theme
BM66 is going to look so much better sitting in my basement then Dialed In would.

Cool. You may be the closest location to me that has one ... so I'll have to make a trip down to play it!

I played it last night once you complete a mode you will be awarded a lottery ticket. You have to wave your hand across the camera to scratch it off. Also super jackpot is achieved by hitting the ball back the way you came down the lines. It hard to do.

Pat said he's running about 20 % software. It was a blast to play

OMG that phone ringing noise is so annoying. PF though looks enticing. God I wish they would just change the sound, music and overall theme. haha

dont forget price

You could just sell the kit, or trade for a different kit. I think it makes more sense the more titles they come out with. Hopefully they stick around long enough!

Declining quality control CHECK, not addressing PF issues in a timely or professional manner CHECK, non-existent code updates or full of bugs CHECK.

So tell me again, why are you wanting another Stern?

I had a chance to play it three times last night. Each time I found something new. And after sleeping on it....

I want to go back and play again! Does the name stink? Not really. But it also didn't blow my socks off. The game is fun. Isn't that what we want in a game?

Thanks to everyone here who had played the game taking the time to provide there impressions, makes being on the otherside of the world a little easier to bare. Glad everyone seems to enjoy the gameplay. Unfortunately can't see many if any being routed in OZ. delivered here you would looking at close to 15K and as everyone knows aka batman SLE 15k is the point in pinball when the poop hits the fan

Maybe the games they make are actually fun to play?

I'm not sure people even play pinball anymore ...

I love the theme, love the tech. No way I could spend $9k on a pinball, period. I would guess most operators wouldn't unless they have a record of other pins racking up 10,000 plays over a year.

I agree with original poster. I posted in this in another thread just a few minutes ago.

My comments:

- Jack and Pat took a lot of time up front to set up the concept with the audience. Even passing out a comic book that helped frame the storyline of the game. It was well thought out intro. They addressed taking a risk on an original theme versus a movie, tv show or rock band but felt it was worth the gamble.

- When revealed "Dialed In" you could feel the room enthusiasm deflate a bit. I'm not sure what title people were thinking, but it felt like there was a "ok" when it was announced. Being honest, I felt the same - but can't say what I was expecting. Time machine was in my head I guess. I wanted to play and experience it - but I guess I leaned toward theme more than I thought.

- The game has MANY elements (i.e. sounds, components, etc) from Pat's previous designs. I could hear Roadshow, see Crazy Bob's store, LCD graphic elements reminding me of RFM, etc. I felt like many "cookies" were incorporated into the game - and a JJP employee nearby confirmed that comment I shared with friends.

- The gameplay was enjoyable. It's a typical Lawlor game, not super flowy but it does flow. That right outline shot that goes up a wire form ramp was gratifying.

- The toys on the game were interesting. While the phone may look outdated in 3 years based on the speed which technology advances in the mobile industry it's well integrated. It informs where to shoot (where you can see it), mode starts initiate there then move to the main LCD, is colorful with changing LEDs to indicate different functions and even shows low battery life where you have to shoot targets to charge it again. The Einstein Theater is a mix between GB ecto-goggles and RFM/SWE1. In fact it's much better than GB in my opinion. It's not just to shoot and kill spiders and things. It also opens mystery boxes, delivers skill shot awards, etc. It's incorporated well once you spend time on it.

- Not sure if people are aware but there is a camera facing the player hidden in the backless bottom section. It serves a few functions. First, it takes pictures of the player and displays them like polaroids in the back glass during a multi ball accomplishment. Sounds corny but I find it brilliant. People waiting to play had a great laugh seeing your "pinball face" while playing. Secondly, when the Einstein theater displays a scratch off ticket and you hit it, you have a certain amount of time to scratch it off. Displayed on the top LCD once collected you have to waive your hand in front of the game (taking it off flipper buttons) to simulate scratching the card. Like it or dislike it - that's innovation we ask for in these forums.

- The sounds system really is well done. A fellow pinsider who was playing pointed out how the sound seem to be more directed at the player for a feeling of more immersion. When it was my turn, I couldn't agree more with his observation. The speakers seemed to be directed perfectly at the player.

- Pat himself pointed out to us during multi-ball how the alien ships fire at you. You have to hit the targets where it came from otherwise (as seen on play field inserts that light up) if the lights reach your flipper that flipper will sputter and not be responsive for a few minutes.

- The LCD integration again, is one of JJP's strengths and continues in this game. Explains and supports the storyline and modes well. Even in this early code state.

After a bit of deflation at the theme announcement, the gameplay was enjoyable. This is one of those games you really do have to play and be open minded towards. The game is full featured with many toys and we know JJP will deliver on the code. Still, the price point has me waiting on the sidelines. Need to play more and see how it matures in code.

We asked for an original theme - and got one. I'd suggest playing to form your own opinion before slamming it. It could surprise you.
(BTW...it was cool to see Pat so passionate about this game)

I for one am interested in it and cld be a possible purchase soon . Yea 9k but you get so much more included in that price than any other company. This has a ton going on and many cool features and upgrades compared to most pins ever made. I buy my games to play and enjoy and dont care about the name of it. This game is so different from the standard cookie cutter pin with licensed theme and fan layout that everyone seems to keep wanting.. i love my b/w pins as do many others and this is like a newer version of them imo and wld be a standout for sure in any collection or arcade and thats a good thing in my opinion. I think this wld be the most played pin at my house when company comes over. It just looks like something that wld be hella fun and is loaded with neat technology . Deposit is being sent and cant wait to see where the code takes it ....

This. Lawlor attempted to go full Steve Jobs during his presentation. He made it seem like moving a volume knob and headphone jack changed the world.

Then with about 9 pixels on the screen they unveil a game called dialed in. Which to most in pinball means a perfect playing game. Not a cell phone dialing crap for you like it's the 90s
Lawlor seemed super old and inpressEd by overly basic technology.

Yea but a fully loaded alien shipped isnt much cheaper than 9k i believe?

We got to play the game remotely with the phone. So much potential. Tons of fun.

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I really wish people would stop saying how annoying it is because the phone rings and selfies are going off to much. The code is in PRE ALPHA and they are not at a point of tuning and polishing. This is obviously not how the final product will be. I'm sure the JJP team is well aware of fine tuning!!!

The theme may be strange but with proper art adjustments this game will be killer. Dont forget its early and JJP is known to do lots of revisions.

I think we will see a cheaper version without the p/c, invisiglass etc for operators. It's still too expensive for me to buy to route but I assume it would do amazing out in the wild.

I'm thrilled to see a standard body pin that is fast and furious from JJP and I think all the haters may be eating their words as revisions come along.

The innovation and creativity on this title is bursting at the seams, congrats to JJP for thinking outside of the box.

What was also interesting to observe was to see Gary Stern standing in the back of the room during the entire presentation. Once the reveal occurred, he exited stage left.

It was fascinating trying to read his body language and facial expressions during the presentation. Reality TV right there.

Also comical, people were walking in eating pizza that Stern provided practically right outside the door (around the corner by bathrooms). Jack as he started his presentation said "We'll have pizza tomorrow - from Rosati's - for all of you to support our launch". This is why competition is good. Badbilly gets more free pizza.

Sorry but that just looks ridiculous and not fun. A gimmick, unfortunately one that takes a lot of BOM and software (adding to cost)