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DI LE not working, need help.

By rai

3 years ago


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#1 3 years ago

I just moved to Florida, I am not proficient in pinball repair, my friend in Maryland did all my repairs and I don't know anyone in my new area who owns or fixes pins.

Anyway I had my pins shipped down to Florida and were in storage for a few months and just now getting them set up, the only pin with a problem is my DILE.

I start the game and no error messages. I hit start and no ball was ejected so I popped one up with my finger and was playing fine until it got to multi-ball when it never served any balls into play. I drained out and never served next ball. So I figured it was a ball trough issue I lifted the PF and everything looked OK, not sure what so I pushed in the electrical wires around the ball trough and everything looked ok.

I started the game and it said hit enter for report and when I did that it said Bluetooth dongle is missing. I have no idea what that is and never had the issue before, I looked around in the cabinet and the head didn't see anything but don't know where I am supposed to be looking.

So they I just want to see if the ball trough is working so I hit start and the start button doesn't work. It has lights just not working, I lift the PF again and look at the start button it looks OK all the wires are attached. Not sure what to do, I hit a wall.

I went from working pin except for ball trough to now not working pin with missing dongle and start button not working.
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#2 3 years ago

Somebody wake Lyoyd up!
Or Steve but you sounded awhile back you needed a nap.lol

#3 3 years ago
Quoted from rai:

I just moved to Florida, I am not proficient in pinball repair, my friend in Maryland did all my repairs and I don't know anyone in my new area who owns or fixes pins.
Anyway I had my pins shipped down to Florida and were in storage for a few months and just now getting them set up, the only pin with a problem is my DILE.
First game, I hit start and no ball was ejected so I popped one up with my finger and was playing fine until it got to multi-ball when it never served any balls into play. I drained out and never served next ball. So I figured it was a ball trough issue I lifted the PF and everything looked OK, not sure what so I pushed in the electrical wires around the ball trough and everything looked ok.
I started the game and it said hit enter for report and when I did that it said Bluetooth dongle is missing. I have no idea what that is and never had the issue before, I looked around in the cabinet and the head didn't see anything but don't know where I am supposed to be looking.
So they I just want to see if the ball trough is working so I hit start and the start button doesn't work. It has lights just not working, I lift the PF again and look at the start button it looks OK all the wires are attached. Not sure what to do, I hit a wall.

Bluetooth dongle is usually plugged into the software update USB cable extension to the left of the coin box. It means nothing as to what's wrong with your game

Check on the interlock switches on the inside left of the coin door frame. Game power off, playfield up and make sure none of the wires have fallen off their lugs.

#4 3 years ago
Quoted from Pinballomatic:

Bluetooth dongle is usually plugged into the software update USB cable extension to the left of the coin box. It means nothing as to what's wrong with your game
Check on the interlock switches on the inside left of the coin door frame. Game power off, playfield up and make sure none of the wires have fallen off their lugs.

Sounds like you are missing voltages. Open backbox, backglass out, unclip monitor pull forward. Go over every cable on the big I/O board behind the monitor. You just flipped the head up - harnesses snag and things get stretched, pins can get bent and so on.

#5 3 years ago

That black wire with the connector needs to be reattached back to the start button. That is your ground wire and the switch will not work without it. Attach it on the prong right below the purple/black wire. That should solve your start button issue.

#6 3 years ago

Hello

I got the shooter button wire connected that’s working now.

Went into coil menu and ball trough VUK and Auto Launch are not working.

Everything looks connected. Is there a fuse maybe that I should look at??

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#7 3 years ago
Quoted from rai:

Hello
I got the shooter button wire connected that’s working now.
Went into coil menu and ball trough VUK and Auto Launch are not working.
Everything looks connected. Is there a fuse maybe that I should look at??
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#8 3 years ago

Thank. I’m not home currently but I’ll check that out and report back.

Just wanted to say thanks for all the help to everyone in this thread.

#9 3 years ago

Looks like the fuse might be out.

Anyone know the size or voltage I need ?

#10 3 years ago

Always slo-blo GMA style

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#11 3 years ago

Thanks.

Figures, I dropped the fuse when I was taking it out do I didn't get a good look at it, it's lost in the back box, but I think it looked blacked.

#12 3 years ago

Update.

put in new fues and it doesn't work and fuse is blown again, put another fuse in and it glowed when I go into coil menu.

what to do?

#14 3 years ago

10Pcs 6.3A Slow Blow Fuse 6.3 Amp Time Delay Fuse T6.3AL250V 250V Slow Acting T6AL Glass Fuse 5x20mm

#15 3 years ago
Quoted from rai:

10Pcs 6.3A Slow Blow Fuse 6.3 Amp Time Delay Fuse T6.3AL250V 250V Slow Acting T6AL Glass Fuse 5x20mm

Okay check the trough coil and the kickback coil under the apron look for burning or scorch marks or discolored labels from overheating

#16 3 years ago
Quoted from Pinballomatic:

Okay check the trough coil and the kickback coil under the apron look for burning or scorch marks or discolored labels from overheating

everything looks normal, pictures in thread above.

#17 3 years ago
Quoted from rai:

I don't know anyone in my new area who owns or fixes pins.

Call Kurt over at the Oviedo Bowling Center. If he doesn’t do repairs he’ll know someone who does.
https://www.oviedobowlingcenter.com

#18 3 years ago
Quoted from rai:

everything looks normal, pictures in thread above.

How is the auto launch coil ? Wires or lugs grounding to lockdown bar receiver or anything when the playfield is lowered into the cabinet ?

LTG : )

#19 3 years ago
Quoted from LTG:

How is the auto launch coil ? Wires or lugs grounding to lockdown bar receiver or anything when the playfield is lowered into the cabinet ?
LTG : )

looks fine

#20 3 years ago

You could try it with the playfield up and resting on the front of the cabinet. high power switch pulled out. To be sure.

Please look at the fuse stream in the manual page D-114. Check what is all on the fuse you are blowing. May as well check the other things on that fuse for lugs shorting to metal or wiring pinched or anything obvious.

LTG : )

#21 3 years ago

Following. All great advice. I'm talking with Phil hoping to work through this since he is now in the Florida

#22 3 years ago

Shoot me a pm I might be able to help out . I’m a tech here in central fl.

#23 3 years ago

Update..

I looked all over and can not see any loose/broken or burned wires.

there was one wire that looked like it was slipping out of the connector which I pushed back in firmly.

I tested the game coils with the PF sitting up on the service rails and it worked, but when I place the PF down into the playing position the fuse blows and once I saw a spark when the power was on and the PF was put back in place.

My friend said there should not be any spark and I never saw a spark on any game before so I guess there must be some loose current on the underside of the PF causing the fuse to blow.

Here is what I saw as a loose connection. It was still plugged in I just could slide it in a bit more. The red wire.

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#24 3 years ago
Quoted from rai:

Here is what I saw as a loose connection. It was still plugged in I just could slide it in a bit more. The red wire.

Turn the game off. Slide that sucker in tight.

Quoted from rai:

I saw a spark when the power was on and the PF was put back in place.

It would be nice if you knew where the spark was. That is the problem location that is blowing your fuse.

LTG : )

#25 3 years ago
Quoted from LTG:

Turn the game off. Slide that sucker in tight.

It would be nice if you knew where the spark was. That is the problem location that is blowing your fuse.
LTG : )

when you place the PF down there are two metal tabs on the underside of PF that fit in the 2 notches, the spark was at the right most notch but that could have just been what touched first IDK.

I did slide the wire in tight, but still am blowing a fuse.

#26 3 years ago

These issues are tough because it sounds like something is touching something it shouldn’t when the playfield is lowered, yet it is hard to see because you can’t look inside with the playfield lowered. Here’s a potential idea that could help:

In the manual find all the things running off of that fuse. Then with the playfield lowered and power OFF put your camera on video mode, stick your hand in through the coin door, and slowly record a video aiming up. Move your camera slowly along the areas connected to that fuse, along the rails in the cabinet, along the lock bar, etc. Then take your phone out and play back the recording. Pause it and try to go through it frame by frame zooming in on the various areas. See if you can identify anything making contact that shouldn’t be.

#27 3 years ago
Quoted from rai:

when you place the PF down there are two metal tabs on the underside of PF that fit in the 2 notches, the spark was at the right most notch but that could have just been what touched first IDK.
I did slide the wire in tight, but still am blowing a fuse.

This helps. Check for things touching those tabs and the lock down bar when the playfield is closed.

#28 3 years ago
Quoted from rai:

the spark was at the right most notch but that could have just been what touched first IDK.

Sure sounds like the auto launch coil.

LTG : )

#29 3 years ago
Quoted from Phatchit:

Shoot me a pm I might be able to help out . I’m a tech here in central fl.

PM sent

#30 3 years ago

Update

Kevan came over to help me out. It appears that the insulation around the kick back coil was crimped and must’ve made contact with a metal piece that contacted the metal apron. He put some electrical tape and all is working.

Thanks for all the help and great to meet Kevan.

#31 3 years ago

Great to meet you as well and thanks for letting me work on your pin . I’m glad that I was able to find the issue . I also loved the Rick and Morty pin . Hope to come back someday when it’s normal Again to play some pins .

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#32 3 years ago

Glad it all worked out. Can’t wait to get Down to Florida when things get normal

6 months later
#33 2 years ago

Hi There! I wasn't sure about posting this question in the fan area, as well. My Auto-Launch is not working properly. For multi-balls or following a ball save, it is not kicking. It still works though when the machine goes into 'ball search.' It will then launch the ball. Any ideas? I was thinking maybe there is a sensor not working telling it to launch?
Any help is appreciated!

#34 2 years ago

Here is a picture of the sensor that triggers the auto launch. That black piece hanging doesn’t seem right...

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#35 2 years ago
Quoted from KC_Green:

That black piece hanging doesn’t seem right...

That is your shooter lane switch. The right side should be higher and a screw through the metal - switch - into the plate behind it.

Look inside the cabinet on the front right bottom for it.

LTG : )

#36 2 years ago

Not your game or switch wiring. But yours should resemble this when in place.

LTG : )

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#37 2 years ago

Fixed it!! Looks like a screw fell out...
I’m very happy that was a pretty simple fix.

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#38 2 years ago
Quoted from KC_Green:

Fixed it!! Looks like a screw fell out...
I’m very happy that was a pretty simple fix.
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Great job. Lloyd for the win!

I’m still amazed how all these parts come together and work, but really have no idea how the old EM stuff works.

#39 2 years ago

Thanks for the help! I was very happy to look down and see that screw.

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