Definition of "HUO"

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Definition of "HUO"


By bsnelson

3 years ago



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    #1 3 years ago

    OK, obviously if a machine has only, well, been used in a home, it's clearly HUO.

    But what if it's been used outside of a home environment, but still not routed? We have a Star Trek Pro here at our office that was purchased new, and it's only been here. It's within our security area, so a badge is required (i.e. only employees/contractors) to access it. It's been on free play its entire life. There's never been any alcohol or smoke near it, although I can't be certain about food/drink.

    How would one describe this?

    Brad

    #2 3 years ago

    OUO.

    #3 3 years ago

    technically it's not home use only anymore because it was used outside of a home. Even tho is may get less play than it would at your house, it's technically not part of those guidelines. Just like all the games that are played at shows cannot be HUO anymore.

    #4 3 years ago

    Depends on the office

    Maybe the security guards have wild parties with the local ladies on top of the game?

    #5 3 years ago
    Quoted from bsnelson:

    How would one describe this?

    ...

    This Star Trek Pro was been here at our office since it was purchased new. It's within our security area, so a badge is required (i.e. only employees/contractors) to access it. It's been on free play its entire life. There's never been any alcohol or smoke near it, although I can't be certain about food/drink.

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    #6 3 years ago

    HUO has no bearing on actual condition anyway, doesn't mean shit in the grand scheme of things.

    #7 3 years ago

    HUO, Routed, NIB, Restored or Players - all that really matters is "Condition".

    #8 3 years ago

    agree its all about condition. how many games have been played? how clean and how often cleaned-waxed-polished? what kind of wear? HUO can be a neglected beast just as easily so it doesnt really have much meaning, it's kinda like "shopped". minimal shopped to me is cleaned waxed polished, everything perfectly functional/working, fresh set of rubber and new ball(s).
    a machine can be shopped but still have some maybe bad pf wear, so its right back to "condition".

    #9 3 years ago

    HUO when used properly can mean everything… leave the term to the professionals.

    #10 3 years ago

    HUO= hourly urine output.

    #11 3 years ago

    HUO = Heavy Usage Occoured

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    #12 3 years ago
    Quoted from bsnelson:

    OK, obviously if a machine has only, well, been used in a home, it's clearly HUO.
    But what if it's been used outside of a home environment, but still not routed? We have a Star Trek Pro here at our office that was purchased new, and it's only been here. It's within our security area, so a badge is required (i.e. only employees/contractors) to access it. It's been on free play its entire life. There's never been any alcohol or smoke near it, although I can't be certain about food/drink.
    How would one describe this?
    Brad

    The entire idea of HUO is to indicate exactly what it says "Home Use Only".
    Any game in any business setting will *most likely* be getting many more plays and/or abuse. This is TOTALLY the situation with a game at an office on FREE PLAY! Are you kidding me??? This is very far from the *intended* definition of HUO. I would consider it an outright lie to call this HUO.

    Nobody can say exactly how many plays/use an HUO game could get - but the typical TRUE HUO game usually...
    - has a very low number of plays
    - has not been abused (people take better care of their own property - usually)
    - has sat in a basement OFF most of it's life
    - has NOT been turned on everyday for hours per day - this is a lot of wear and tear on games - even if NOT played

    The problem is plain and simple - there are too many untruthful (ie. liars) people saying HUO when they don't have a clue. That would be the case, if you were to classify this game as HUO. True HUO does mean a LOT when it's not a lie because 99% of the time the use/abuse is very different - the older the game the more of a difference it makes.

    #13 3 years ago

    I'm not sure it matters as long as the owner/buyer/seller are happy.

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    #14 3 years ago

    Well HUO on CL means it has a tax stamp on the back glass

    #15 3 years ago
    Quoted from T7:

    Nobody can say exactly how many plays/use an HUO game could get - but the typical TRUE HUO game usually...
    - has sat in a basement OFF most of it's life

    Can't it be on the main floor...OFF most of it's life too?

    ( I do agree with what you are saying though)

    BUO...Basement Use Only ?

    #16 3 years ago

    HUO means almost nothing IMO. It's an adjective people use to suggest the condition is excellent. But there is simply NO way anyone can guarantee a game is HUO even if they have the receipt. The game could still have been taken to a show for a day or two (which would negate "HUO" in many people's opinions) and you would never know.

    Take "HUO" with a grain of salt and don't put too much stock in it.

    #17 3 years ago

    I'd call it "One Owner Only, Never Routed". If you've got the receipt.

    #18 3 years ago

    Home Use Only is a marketing term.

    #19 3 years ago

    Don't use HUO when selling it. Give the description you gave in your initial post with plenty of pictures and the condition will sell the machine.

    HUO only means there is a high probability that the machine wasn't abused. Even then, people do not necessary tell the truth when advertising, or bend the HUO term to mean, "HUO since I got it off a route", or "HUO for the last 5 years".

    #20 3 years ago

    Damn. Another HUO thread.

    #21 3 years ago

    What kills me is how hard people try to make their game home use only....when that doesn't mean anything or matter.

    I have a car for sale, driveway kept.....but I didn't actually keep it in the driveway it was actually the side street....can I call it driveway kept? WTH does it really matter where it was kept? If it's ding free and shiny, runs perfectly.....it is what it is. Also driven to Church on Sunday's.....well actually the bar....but it's my church....so that counts right?

    #22 3 years ago
    Quoted from ovfdfireman:

    I have a car for sale, driveway kept

    In car terms, "highway miles" is often used too.

    #23 3 years ago

    It seems like a condition definition thread surfaces every couple months.. It's been discussed very thoroughly in other threads at this point.

    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/request-definition-of-shopped
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/poll-your-personal-definition-of-collector-quality
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/players-condition-definition
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/why-does-routing-a-game-lessen-the-value
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/huo-is-this-being-overused
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/opinions-on-collectors-quality
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/huo-question-thoughts
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/wtf-does-lightly-routed-mean
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/difference-between-cq-collectors-quality-and-huo-unconfirmed-huo
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/shopped-pinballs-lets-stop-the-madness
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/how-much-is-huo-worth
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/home-use-only-question
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/home-use-only-huo-no-more
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/your-thoughts-on-undocumented-huo-games
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/am-i-the-only-one-who-smells-bs
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/new-pinball-term-ruo-which-means-route-use-only
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/low-play-machines-somthing-to-think-about
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/huo-pinball
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/huobc
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/no-much-does-huo-increase-the-value
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/terms-in-pinball-that-are-now-pointless

    That should be plenty of reading material to go through

    #24 3 years ago

    ForceFlow is my nominee for new moderator. Let's give him the power to weed out the crap.

    #25 3 years ago

    And I nominate Kaneda to start yet another HUO thread to see how many down-votes he can muster.

    Sample topic: If a pin is $16,000, how can you tell if it's HUO?

    Feel free to add more.

    #26 3 years ago

    I hate the term, yet I still use it, most of my current games I purchased new and opened the box myself, in some cases I am the second owner. The games are HUO, by definition and people want to know.

    #27 3 years ago

    I am mused when reading huo since ______. Where ______ is a number of years less than machine's age. Of course I am easily amused.

    6 months later
    #28 3 years ago

    The plague of misused "HUO" continues... Keep seeing listings with this description only to find out the seller means it "was used at home only" by them... As for the previous 20 years, "I'm not sure." Lmao.

    #29 3 years ago

    Office use only is Huo assuming it's an environment similar to Huo. otherwise we risk cuo, auo, tuo etc

    #30 3 years ago

    What happens if your pin is always at home...except...one day you brIng it to a pinball expo. So others can appreciate your fine machine and support the hobby in general. Then what friends? My opinion is it you should not be penalized and lose "huo" status. Its not like it was at a smoke filled bar having drinks spilled all over it and greasy cheesburger fingers shoving dirty quarters in it and smearing filthy grease all over the flipper buttons. Sometimes you gotta cut people a little slack imo!
    Merry Xmas!

    #31 3 years ago
    Quoted from FrostyMug:

    What happens if your pin is always at home...except...one day to brIng it to a pinball expo. So others can appreciate your fine machine and support tge hobby in general. Then what friends? My opinion is it you should not be penalized and lose "huo" status. Its not like it was at a smoke filled bar having drinks spilled all over it and greasy cheesburger fibgers shoving dirty quarters in it and smearing all over the flipper buttons. Sometimes you gotta cut people a little slack imo!
    Merry Xmas!

    By definition it's no longer HUO, why worry about it's "status". The condition will speak for itself.

    #32 3 years ago

    receipt of purchase

    #33 3 years ago

    If you have to ask if a game is HUO, it's not HUO.

    #34 3 years ago
    Quoted from moto_cat:

    By definition it's no longer HUO, why worry about it's "status". The condition will speak for itself.

    Yeah. We should all just ditch the. HUO acronym. Use a universal and standard rating system for all. After all a brand new Stern could have been in a bar for 1 week and bombed, getting only 20 plays, thus removed to a basement somewhere with lights out. Who knows? That machine would likely be Pristine! Perhaps near or at the top of a scale...a scale like this:

    1 Perfect (still in box or removed for show)
    2 Pristine (like my example above)
    3 Excellent (usage can be seen if looked for)
    4 Good (usage can be seen easily)
    5 Fair (usage has broken or missing parts)
    6 Under fair (usage includes operation issues)
    7 Project (requires repair and/or replace parts)
    8 Part out ( highly likely cannot be repaired)

    This is just a quickie scale to get us thinking. I am sure it needs a few more lines and additional descriptions. No where is the term "huo" needed or used in it though

    #35 3 years ago

    HUM, Home Use Mostly

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