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Dealing with regular people


By the9gman

2 days ago



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    #1 2 days ago

    Every machine I have ever bought has needed work ,now granted I don't buy 5000 dollar machines but in many cases I have asked the seller ,does it work?. Then they tell you yea everything works and you drive three hours get there and find out its a different story. Then you have to decide whether its worth it or not to try and fix it. I don't know how you guys that have been in this hobby for years deal with this shit. People that own machines think that just because its standing on four legs and lights up its a piece of gold. When you tell people the truth of their machine and what its really worth they think that you are low balling them and that your a prick. The fact of the matter is facts are facts and that is the going rate for that particular machine in working order. Let me say this ...I am not a flipper .....I buy machines fix them up and play them till I get tired of them and sell them and then find a new one, but lately I'm thinking I should just keep the machines I have and walk away from this hobby because I'm quickly losing faith in humanity and the definition of honesty

    #2 2 days ago

    Who are these regular people you speak of?

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    #3 2 days ago

    Buy from Pinsiders - problem solved.

    #4 2 days ago

    I've had the exact opposite experience. Every time I've purchased a pin from someone they ended up being nice people and the pin was in the condition they said it was in. Maybe I just got lucky, but I'm buying pins pretty regularly.

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    #5 2 days ago
    Quoted from pinzrfun:

    Buy from Pinsiders - problem solved.

    Pinsiders do it too. All the time.

    Just assume EVERY game you buy, regardless of from whom, is gonna need work, and factor that into your offer.

    #6 2 days ago

    If it's not someone I know personally or know is a collector I take it for granted that something will need fixed. The last "working all the way" game I picked up off Craigslist had 2 locked on pop bumpers and drop targets that didn't drop. Just set the bar as low as possible with non-hobbyists and you'll be fine ha.

    #7 2 days ago
    Quoted from CrazyLevi:

    Pinsiders do it too. All the time.
    Just assume EVERY game you buy, regardless of from whom, is gonna need work, and factor that into your offer.

    This, every time. Far worse are the sellers who turn their sale into some sort of auction. I’d much rather fix something or identify an issue and then negotiate down. If the seller isn’t knowledgeable, they’ll usually come down a bit if their price is reasonable - and they are too. If they’re a psycho, figure that out before you make the trip.

    #8 2 days ago
    Quoted from Rdoyle1978:

    If they’re a psycho

    I've had to deal with two of them so far but really wasn't able to determine that off the phone ,then when I got there one dude definitely needed a tin foil conspiracy hat

    Quoted from pinzrfun:

    Buy from Pinsiders

    I've done that and had good experiences but the problem is pinside does not always have the machine that you are trying to get

    #9 2 days ago
    Quoted from the9gman:

    I've had to deal with two of them so far but really wasn't able to determine that off the phone ,then when I got there one dude definitely needed a tin foil conspiracy hat

    I've done that and had good experiences but the problem is pinside does not always have the machine that you are trying to get

    Yep, can’t always tell on the phone. I should have said “try to...”

    #10 2 days ago
    Quoted from klatos:

    I've had the exact opposite experience. Every time I've purchased a pin from someone they ended up being nice people and the pin was in the condition they said it was in. Maybe I just got lucky, but I'm buying pins pretty regularly.

    This right here...

    #11 2 days ago

    I've been doing this for over 30 years now and had all kinds of experience with sellers
    and buyers. Some are blatently dishonest and think their junky, non-working
    pin is worth a fortune. Don't even bother with them anymore. Most folks have
    been realistic and if a machine that was described as working but isn't upon arrival, I'll
    often make an offer (much lower depending on the pin) and if its accepted, great.
    if not I'll leave my number an often get a call later.

    The thing is, when dealing with people, try to be respectful. If they don't
    treat you the same way, walk. The worst are people that piss and moan.
    Pinheads are as guilty of this as anyone else.

    #12 2 days ago

    Not a flipper, just buy machines, fix them up, play them then sell them.

    #13 2 days ago
    Quoted from punkin:

    Not a flipper, just buy machines, fix them up, play them then sell them.

    For me the first three parts are easy, the last part not so much.

    This does beg the question of how long one needs to keep the machine to not be considered a flipper. One month, 3 months or 48 hours?

    #14 2 days ago

    Welcome to the world of pinball. I don't care how much the person tell's me that it's working I know it wont be when I get there, I always expect issue's and there always is. Sometimes it's worth mentioning and sometimes not, just depends. Dont' sweat it.

    John

    #15 2 days ago
    Quoted from punkin:

    Not a flipper, just buy machines, fix them up, play them then sell them

    so you buy a machine fix it up and decide it sucks .....you don't like it ......sell it and get something you like better ......that doesn't make you a flipper in my book ....flippers are people who buy a machine hit it with some windex maybe new rubbers and sell it for a profit. I've gone thru all my machines and put a hell of a lot of work into each one. Haven't made a profit on any of them and your gona judge me ....screw off

    #16 2 days ago

    You chose to get into a hobby that involves buying, trading, collecting and maintaining items that are known for almost always being broken in some capacity, or another. Yet, it bothers you that they are? Look, you can't keep walking into a Chinese restaurant and complaining that it always smells like dumplings. That's just how it is. Love it or leave it.

    #17 2 days ago

    no what bothers me is that people can not be honest about what they have. If I have something that is not quite right I will let them know up front. and as far as what a Chinese restaurant smells like .....I couldn't tell you ...I have no idea anymore ......I lost that one of the 5 senses serving in Desert Storm

    #18 2 days ago

    Here are just a few ways (that I can recall, it's been a while) I coach myself before starting a new "hunt"...

    * Assume people are gonna put *their* needs first: "I just want this 300 pound block of wood and steel out of my house -- ASAP." -- they may talk nice on the phone, yet sell it to someone who called AFTER you and offered $50 more -- are you still surprised when this happens? You don't matter to them, period. Practice setting your expectations closer to probability.

    * Ask the *best set* of questions up front to learn whether the person is in more of the "inheritance-victim bucket": "it was my grandpa's in our basement and it worked fine for years" or if they are an actual pinhead -- to better qualify what their answers really mean (to them). "It works" means something different coming from an inheritance-victim than it does coming from a pinhead. Build your list of questions ahead of time. With each interrogation, refine it even further.

    * on older pins, I like to assume I will still be in it for another $200-$500 even if everything works, so I must drop my purchase price a lil to make up for that difference, (since I like to spend no more overall than I think I can sell it for)...

    * and finally, sample size. If you've done 100 pinball transactions, you'll have much more perspective on the range of people and outcomes than if you've done 5. I try my best to not make big life judgments on things/situations where I have a small sample size.

    -mof

    #19 2 days ago
    Quoted from the9gman:

    no what bothers me is that people can not be honest about what they have. If I have something that is not quite right I will let them know up front. and as far as what a Chinese restaurant smells like .....I couldn't tell you ...I have no idea anymore ......I lost that one of the 5 senses serving in Desert Storm

    fair enough. thanks for your service! you deserve to vent.

    #20 2 days ago

    I understand your frustrations. The only thing I can add is this.

    People have different levels of project to pristine.

    Everytime I buy a game I feel I'm getting burned. Everytime I sell a game I feel they're getting a deal.

    #21 2 days ago

    be prepared to walk away

    #22 2 days ago

    There's always something not right when buying a game
    All part of the buying and selling experience

    #23 2 days ago

    I'd try to network and make friends with the local pinball community. I bet 80% of the games I buy and sell are with fellow pinball friends. That usually eliminates any surprises and you know and trust the people you're dealing with.

    #24 2 days ago
    Quoted from thirdedition:

    Everytime I buy a game I feel I'm getting burned. Everytime I sell a game I feel they're getting a deal.

    not so much burned but you know you are going to have to work on something to get the game right. My frustration comes from this......
    About two months ago I took my son in law with me to pick up a game on the way home he asked me to stop at his uncles house on the way home an pick up a pin that was given to him. My son in law has brain cancer and at the time he still had tubes in his head. The pin was an old shoot a line Bingo machine that was at his grandfathers house when he was growing up. The game was in an outside shed and was not in good shape, matter of fact the lower cabinet was falling apart on the way home. Got it home and looked at it and everything was rusted to the point that none of the score motor and score reels would even turn. I told him it was beyond repair and I could tell he was disappointed. I sensed it was some child hood memory or some connection to his gran dad.
    I couldn't believe there was actually one of these on the net
    I grilled the guy and asked him if everything worked his answer was consistently yes
    so I drove three hours to get the machine and got there and the score credits didn't work ....to me that's 90 percent of the machine
    and he was like yea that doesn't work
    unfortunately I'm in a time crunch cause I don't know how long this kid has to live so I gave the guy the money and took the machine
    did a bunch of work on it today and did get the credits to work somewhat
    still have problems with it locking up occasionally but some how some way I'm going to try and get this working and give it to the kid for his birthday next month
    the upside is the back glass from his old machine is one of a kind and fits in this one
    I may need to find a bingo guy on this forum to give me a hand

    #25 2 days ago

    #26 2 days ago
    Quoted from the9gman:

    not so much burned but you know you are going to have to work on something to get the game right. My frustration comes from this......
    About two months ago I took my son in law with me to pick up a game on the way home he asked me to stop at his uncles house on the way home an pick up a pin that was given to him. My son in law has brain cancer and at the time he still had tubes in his head. The pin was an old shoot a line Bingo machine that was at his grandfathers house when he was growing up. The game was in an outside shed and was not in good shape, matter of fact the lower cabinet was falling apart on the way home. Got it home and looked at it and everything was rusted to the point that none of the score motor and score reels would even turn. I told him it was beyond repair and I could tell he was disappointed. I sensed it was some child hood memory or some connection to his gran dad.
    I couldn't believe there was actually one of these on the net
    I grilled the guy and asked him if everything worked his answer was consistently yes
    so I drove three hours to get the machine and got there and the score credits didn't work ....to me that's 90 percent of the machine
    and he was like yea that doesn't work
    unfortunately I'm in a time crunch cause I don't know how long this kid has to live so I gave the guy the money and took the machine
    did a bunch of work on it today and did get the credits to work somewhat
    still have problems with it locking up occasionally but some how some way I'm going to try and get this working and give it to the kid for his birthday next month
    the upside is the back glass from his old machine is one of a kind and fits in this one
    I may need to find a bingo guy on this forum to give me a hand

    Vic Camp from NJ, is on Pinside “campgames”. He will know of someone that can help you. Vic is a great guy, owns a bunch of pins and Bingos as well.

    #27 1 day ago
    Quoted from Budman:

    Vic Camp from NJ, is on Pinside “campgames”. He will know of someone that can help you. Vic is a great guy, owns a bunch of pins and Bingos as well.

    In the EM section there's a sub section for bingos. Post your questions there. Good luck!

    #28 1 day ago
    Quoted from poppapin:

    In the EM section there's a sub section for bingos

    thanks I have to take some pictures and post them because there are quite a few hacks on this machine. found one that tied two wires together and caused the credits to count down immediately after they counted up. got rid of that and now it scores on card 2 3 and 4 .....1 does nothing 5 locks up the score motor and 6 works sometimes ......the schematics for this thing are horrible

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