Playboy 35th Anniversary
Data East, 1989So..... my new playboy started giving me “bad switch - grotto 1” all of the sudden.
The Manual says it’s right next to grotto 2..... but for the life of me I can’t find it?!?
I haven’t taken the ramps off yet, but I can see under them.
Multi ball works perfectly, which I would think the grotto is working.
Any input is greatly appreciated.
Does the manual have a map of switch locations ? Or a diagram of the switch matrix, you could get the wire colors off of it and then follow wires of the same color.
Or go to Switch Test and start hitting switches. They are often grouped together, or if every switch works when you trigger it but one, that one would be the bad switch.
LTG : )
Quoted from LTG:Does the manual have a map of switch locations ?
LTG : )
Yes, I went by the switch matrix and layout in the manual. If you look at it... Grotto switch 1 should be directly in line with Grotto switch 2 (which i dont understand why the Grotto would need 2 switches.... the 2nd ball doesnt lock there, it stays in the VUK until the 3rd ball completes a ramp).
But on my game... I can clearly see "grotto switch 2" and when I physically close it... it shows up in the test. But... there is no other switches next to it.
Im lost lol
switch chart (resized).JPGQuoted from metalkatt:Isn’t grotto 1 the roll over switch under the playfield that activates grotto 2(the kicker)?
If im thinking right... Grotto 2 is in the saucer for the kickout. But when I hit the switch ahead of it.. it was reading as Grotto 2. Unless im just batshit crazy lol. Ill pull the glass and check again.
I just checked again.... and the layout map appears to be incorrect. When activated in switch test....What is listed as "Grotto" 1 is in fact "Grotto 2". And what is listed as "Grotto 2" is just a VUK with no switch attached to it.
So I have no idea where Grotto 1 switch is and why the game gives an error for it. (but.... I did a factory reset and the error went away. Wanted to see if it came back again).
Quoted from Ceckitti:I just checked again.... and the layout map appears to be incorrect. When activated in switch test....What is listed as "Grotto" 1 is in fact "Grotto 2". And what is listed as "Grotto 2" is just a VUK with no switch attached to it.
So I have no idea where Groot 1 switch is and why the game gives an error for it. (but.... I did a factory reset and the error went away. Wanted to see if it came back again).
Good luck. I’m not near my game so I was just trying to remember of the top of my head...
UPDATE!!! I found it!!!!
Grotto 1 is right where it is supposed to be according the map in the manual. The reason I missed it is because its not a standard wire type switch. Its a tiny rollover switch mounted to the wall of the lane leading into the grotto VUK. I had to twist and turn my head and body to get the right angle to see it under the ramp. I was able to push it with my finger and got it to activate, so it works. Just needs a little adjustment.
If i can get a pic of it ill post it.
Hi, My machine is giving the same Grotto 1 bad switch error, it played on for a few games, but now when the first ball (ball 1) is captured, it doesnt register with the ball 1 light and the machine thinks it has a missing ball. When you found the Grotto 1 switch, did you replace it or just clean it, if so what with? I'm a complete novice with switches and would appreciate any tutoring through even the basics.
Nick.
Quoted from Merfy:Hi, My machine is giving the same Grotto 1 bad switch error, it played on for a few games, but now when the first ball (ball 1) is captured, it doesnt register with the ball 1 light and the machine thinks it has a missing ball. When you found the Grotto 1 switch, did you replace it or just clean it, if so what with? I'm a complete novice with switches and would appreciate any tutoring through even the basics.
Nick.
If you go into switch test and push that switch, does it register? It might just need to be adjusted....
Quoted from metalkatt:If you go into switch test and push that switch, does it register? It might just need to be adjusted....
Did switch test and it did not register. Used switch matrix to check that all other switches in the colour sequence of both wires all registered, Grotto 1 is the only one not registering. Have ordered new switch. Now to replace it looks like i need to dismantle the ramps on the playing field to be able to access the switch (even to adjust it) as its not accessible from underneath. Any tips on how I should approach this?
Quoted from Merfy:Did switch test and it did not register. Used switch matrix to check that all other switches in the colour sequence of both wires all registered, Grotto 1 is the only one not registering. Have ordered new switch. Now to replace it looks like i need to dismantle the ramps on the playing field to be able to access the switch (even to adjust it) as its not accessible from underneath. Any tips on how I should approach this?
The switch i was having issues with was the one before the grotto saucer. Its listed as Grotto 2. Its actually mounted on the "rail" leading to the saucer.
I just messed with it a little and it started working. I assume it was because the game sat unplayed for years when I got it. And just needed the dust knocked off.
Im about to tear mine down here in a week or so and would be able to help more then with how to attack the saucer switch.
Quoted from Ceckitti:The switch i was having issues with was the one before the grotto saucer. Its listed as Grotto 2. Its actually mounted on the "rail" leading to the saucer.
I just messed with it a little and it started working. I assume it was because the game sat unplayed for years when I got it. And just needed the dust knocked off.
Im about to tear mine down here in a week or so and would be able to help more then with how to attack the saucer switch.
Great thanks, am going away for a couple weeks and waiting for the new switch to arrive, I am interested in the order I might dismantle the ramps and any tips or tricks you might pass on from your process.
Quoted from Merfy:Great thanks, am going away for a couple weeks and waiting for the new switch to arrive, I am interested in the order I might dismantle the ramps and any tips or tricks you might pass on from your process.
Replaced the grotto 1 switch, all working fine in diagnostics, but when I was taking the ramp off to access the switch there was a black hard plastic stopper sitting loosely against the kicker right next to the grotto 1 switch. Does anyone know how this stopper is attached or does it just sit loose??
Quoted from Merfy:Replaced the grotto 1 switch, all working fine in diagnostics, but when I was taking the ramp off to access the switch there was a black hard plastic stopper sitting loosely against the kicker right next to the grotto 1 switch. Does anyone know how this stopper is attached or does it just sit loose??
All good, I figured it out, its the pad on the launch and its come loose, so all fixed now
Quoted from Ceckitti:The switch i was having issues with was the one before the grotto saucer. Its listed as Grotto 2. Its actually mounted on the "rail" leading to the saucer.
I just messed with it a little and it started working. I assume it was because the game sat unplayed for years when I got it. And just needed the dust knocked off.
Im about to tear mine down here in a week or so and would be able to help more then with how to attack the saucer switch.
Finally got around to tearing it apart this weekend. Here are a few pics of the switch. Its not easy to get to, but not terribly hard either. The ramps totally block it.
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