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Data East speaker noise - ideas for a cure

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#551 2 years ago

Quoted from freddy:

Ok found this data sheet
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Success !!!! I fitted one of these bad boys to a Tommy and the loud constant hum from the right speaker has gone ! Thanks NYP for posting about it

I still get the lights buzz noise , rising and falling with the controlled lamps that is noticeable in attract mode. But I can live with that.

A couple of years ago I tried an aux supply, different make, and it didn't make a difference. Strange. Maybe the spec wasn't quite right or something.

#552 2 years ago
Quoted from Ive:

Success !!!! I fitted one of these bad boys and the loud constant hum from the right speaker has gone ! Thanks nyp for posting about it
I still get the lights buzz noise , rising and falling with the controlled lamps that is noticeable in attract mode. But I can live with that.
A couple of years ago I tried an aux supply, different make, and it didn't make a difference. Strange. Maybe the spec wasn't quite right or something.

Have and wiring pics? Is any current wiring used or is it all new? Where does the power source tap into? Thanks, I ordered the one from previous link(thanks for that)

#553 2 years ago
Quoted from crassmage:

Have and wiring pics? Is any current wiring used or is it all new? Where does the power source tap into? Thanks, I ordered the one from previous link(thanks for that)

I tapped into the mains power in the switch box. Added connectors to the black and white after the switch. Run this to the the aux power unit. Then make up a new length of cable with molex connector to run to the sound board. If I get a chance later I'll take couple pics.

At the moment I have the aux power supply in the backbox. Now thinking I'd prefer to have it down in the main cab and run a longer length of cable up to the board.

The only thing I don't like about the Mean Well unit is that the terminals are uncovered - meaning you have a bare touch point with live mains power when the machine is switched on - 230v here in the UK . I will make up a cover for safety and peace of mind.

#554 2 years ago

Pics would be great? So is it just the 2 wires?

#555 2 years ago
Quoted from crassmage:

Pics would be great? So is it just the 2 wires?

Someone uploaded this - its on a DE Robocop but its exactly the same principle.

#556 2 years ago

OK - I got rid of the loud speaker hum by installing an aux power supply.

I still though have a constant static hiss / 'shhhhhhhh' through the speakers - not noticeable in gameplay of course but I can hear it with the game sat in attract mode.

Any thoughts on that ?? before I wade through this entire thread again

#557 2 years ago

Thank you kind sir..

#558 2 years ago
Quoted from NYP:

Been about a year, got rid of the hum, holding up fine. Small enough to hide in the backbox, no complaints.

Dumb question - how did you wire up the Meanwell? I have a LAH that's getting unbearable. I'll clean up and reflow connectors/header pins, but am really interested in a fix especially if it's cheap.

#559 2 years ago
Quoted from pb456:

Dumb question - how did you wire up the Meanwell? I have a LAH that's getting unbearable. I'll clean up and reflow connectors/header pins, but am really interested in a fix especially if it's cheap.

See the video link I posted above (not my video)....its on a Robocop and different power supply unit but exactly the same principle. post #555

#560 2 years ago
Quoted from Ive:

I still though have a constant static hiss / 'shhhhhhhh' through the speakers - not noticeable in gameplay of course but I can hear it with the game sat in attract mode.
Any thoughts on that ??

I'm pretty sure that is just the general quality of the amplifiers on the sound board. I'm guessing that would be nearly impossible to get rid of. It's the same thing on my TFTC.

#561 2 years ago
Quoted from pb456:

Dumb question - how did you wire up the Meanwell? I have a LAH that's getting unbearable. I'll clean up and reflow connectors/header pins, but am really interested in a fix especially if it's cheap.

I found a place in the backbox to mount the power supply. I disconnected the power plug to the sound board and tucked it away and made up a new harness with connectors to go from the power supply to the power in to the sound board. I like to do things like this reversible so things can be put back the way they were and not permanently cut alter or hack the existing wiring harness. It's best if you try to use color correct wires when making up the harness, black for ground, red for +5 etc. Then I took 2 longer wires for the 110 ( black & white ) and ran them down through into the bottom cabinet and tapped off the 110 from the transformer. I checked to make sure it was switched so it goes on and off with the power switch. All wires neatly zip tied or tucked into the cable clamps so it looks factory.

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#562 1 year ago

I used this thread a lot to trouble shoot all the noise my Data East Jurassic Park was making, so I figured I would let everyone know what worked. When I brought it home several months ago, the humming noise was loud. I tracked it down to the DMD (by unplugging the DMD, the noise would drop) and to the light show in attract mode. I got rid of the noise by buying a new DMD and by isolating the sound board from ground (used electrical tape around the screw holes). This got everything quiet.

However, months later I started to have some flaky power supply things happening so I bought a new Rotten Dog power supply board. When I installed it the humming and buzzing was horrible. You could hear it all over the house. All of it was coming out of the speakers all of the time. I recapped the sound board and that knocked it down to a more tolerable level, but it was still louder than I wanted.

So I bought the power supply mentioned in post 442 (Mean Well RT-50B) and a connector. Once installed this dropped the noise down to zero. It is now perfectly quiet. The power supply was easy to install as I just mounted it in the cabinet near the speaker and spliced into the 120V going to the coin door (which isn't even used unless you have a bill changer). I ran 4 wires up the the sound board, hooked the wires to the new connector (you need a special tool for this), and plugged it in. If someone wanted to remove it (although I have no idea why you would), you could plug the old connector back into the sound board and splice the 120V cable back together.

#563 1 year ago

Just wanted to add my two cents on fixing the speaker hum. My strategy was based off of wpmcnamara's previous posts. Got rid of the majority of the hum for about $30. Here is a video explaining what I did and the before and after. In short, I just added a 12V buck boost converter on the +12V to the sound board and had great results. Cleaner and cheaper than an entirely separate power supply and plug and play after you build it. Here are some pics too.

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#564 1 year ago
Quoted from PinballGiant:

12V buck boost converter

Nice. That's the scale of mod with which I'd be happy on my rarely played JP (vs separate pwr supply). Where'd you buy that?

#565 1 year ago
Quoted from markp99:

Nice. That's the scale of mod with which I'd be happy on my rarely played JP (vs separate pwr supply). Where'd you buy that?

Made it myself:
6-pin z connector
2 female 6-pin 0.156 molex connectors with trifurcon pins from pinball life
Buck/boost converter from amazon (amazon.com link »)
ABS plastic project box off amazon
18 or 20 gauge wire

#566 1 year ago

If you make another, I'd buy one from you for sure.

#567 1 year ago
Quoted from PinballGiant:

Just wanted to add my two cents on fixing the speaker hum. My strategy was based off of wpmcnamara's previous posts. Got rid of the majority of the hum for about $30. Here is a video explaining what I did and the before and after. In short, I just added a 12V buck boost converter on the +12V to the sound board and had great results. Cleaner and cheaper than an entirely separate power supply and plug and play after you build it. Here are some pics too.

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Thanks for posting that !

I have used a seperate power supply with success but will certainly give this a go - a much cleaner solution.

#568 1 year ago
Quoted from PinballGiant:

Just wanted to add my two cents on fixing the speaker hum. My strategy was based off of wpmcnamara's previous posts. Got rid of the majority of the hum for about $30. Here is a video explaining what I did and the before and after. In short, I just added a 12V buck boost converter on the +12V to the sound board and had great results. Cleaner and cheaper than an entirely separate power supply and plug and play after you build it. Here are some pics too.

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gave this a go on my LW3 but only lowered the hum by about 20% I did notice my machine appears to have the rottendog board which people says this hum far worse so might be why I did not have much luck. Also tried the floating audio board which did nothing as well.

I have ordered parts for the psu fix now as this will give the audio board 100% clean voltage not just the +12v line so hopefully have better results

#569 1 year ago

If any one wants this give me a shout will post out if you can cover the £5 shipping

It does work just not very well in my situation (due to new power board I suspect)

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#570 1 year ago
Quoted from russdx:

If any one wants this give me a shout will post out if you can cover the £5 shipping

Which country are you from? I could be interested. I am from Denmark myself.

#571 1 year ago
Quoted from russdx:

gave this a go on my LW3 but only lowered the hum by about 20% I did notice my machine appears to have the rottendog board which people says this hum far worse so might be why I did not have much luck. Also tried the floating audio board which did nothing as well.
I have ordered parts for the psu fix now as this will give the audio board 100% clean voltage not just the +12v line so hopefully have better results

I’m sorry it didn’t work for you. Definitely not my intention to share something that doesn’t work. It’s weird because I have a rottendog board too. I still have some hum but this got it down to a very tolerable level. Will be interested to see if the separate power supply totally fixes it or if there’s something on the sound board contributing too.

#572 1 year ago
Quoted from PinballGiant:

I’m sorry it didn’t work for you. Definitely not my intention to share something that doesn’t work. It’s weird because I have a rottendog board too. I still have some hum but this got it down to a very tolerable level. Will be interested to see if the separate power supply totally fixes it or if there’s something on the sound board contributing too.

No worries at all buddy every machine is different the floating did absolutely nothing for me either (and did fix others) I must just have a very fussy machine

I will report back with results of the PSU fix

#573 1 year ago
Quoted from Phantasize:

Which country are you from? I could be interested. I am from Denmark myself.

UK, pm me your address and I’ll pop it in the post

#574 1 year ago

Stuck one of these in https://www.mouser.co.uk/ProductDetail/MEAN-WELL/RPT-60B?qs=V9a8iPeg90y32GHaWpmkvA%3D%3D and the hum has dropped about 90% far far better I think in my situation I just needed total isolation of the power supply to get rid of all the Nasty interference.

#575 1 year ago

My Last Action Hero has some serious speaker hum, so going to attempt this same fix of installing a dedicated PSU. Just ordered a Mean Well RT-50B (from Mouser), and the 6 pin molex connector below. Hoping it's a workable shortcut to creating my own connector.

ebay.com link: 6 Pin Rgb Monitor Video Cable Only Arcade game Part B62

About $40 total in parts (already having cable to run power to the PSU). Will report back with results in after it's been installed.

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#576 1 year ago

boys as they are.
I tell them that I HOOK makes a disgusting noise ...
now if I disconnect the 3 speakers the noise goes away automatically.
I tried to put plastic washers on the sound board and it didn't work.
I just put them inside.
I do not change anything ...
I am sure it is a mass problem.
But I don't know what to touch anymore.

HELP.
GREETINGS FROM ARGENTINA.

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#577 1 year ago
Quoted from rapidflipper:

My Last Action Hero has some serious speaker hum, so going to attempt this same fix of installing a dedicated PSU. Just ordered a Mean Well RT-50B (from Mouser), and the 6 pin molex connector below. Hoping it's a workable shortcut to creating my own connector.
ebay.com link » 6 Pin Rgb Monitor Video Cable Only Arcade Game Part B62
About $40 total in parts (already having cable to run power to the PSU). Will report back with results in after it's been installed.

Huge improvement to Last Action Hero speaker HUM with the Meanwell RT-50B!! Highly Recommended upgrade to those with sound issues. Here's a quick overview of terminal labels on this model. It is literally written on the side, but took me a moment to locate:

Terminal labels:
V3 = -12v
+V2 = +12V
COM = Ground (don't use the dedicated ground, which I did at first and didn't get any sound initially)
+5V = 5V

Also, the 6-pin connector from eBay made this a very simple install. Highly recommended shortcut.

#578 1 year ago

I already have everything! Let's try it! If I solve the problem ... then I count .

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#579 1 year ago

I tried, but it didn't change anything.
I ended up taking it out.
Thanks to the user PinballGiant you helped me a lot .. I appreciate it ... but I'll keep going ..
my hook only has this detail.
I will try to solve it with a technician.
It's a pity I can't put a pinball pro kit on my TERMINATOR 2 that I don't use because it's not worth it.

Greetings from Argentina!

#580 1 year ago

Hi guys! Someone tried this? Will it be the capacitor?
Give me feedback!

Thanks Alex!

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#581 1 year ago

I tell them that today I adjusted the screws of the trafo and subwoofer and improved a lot ... the noise continues but much less.
we will go on !!!

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#582 1 year ago

Has any one tried replacing the whole sound board with a pinsound? Was going to try it to see if it worked!

#583 1 year ago

Hello friend ... many say that changing the board lowers the noise but does not cancel it completely .
Others say that with some pinball pro kits it was solved.
Others put a dedicated sound source...
But you have to have a solution to make it original.
Mine (hook) makes a lot of noise to interference.
After an hour the noise is very low but it is there ... I am still waiting for a real and original solution.

Hug Alex!

#584 1 year ago
Quoted from Asanteiro:

Hello friend ... many say that changing the board lowers the noise but does not cancel it completely .
Others say that with some pinball pro kits it was solved.
Others put a dedicated sound source...
But you have to have a solution to make it original.
Mine (hook) makes a lot of noise to interference.
After an hour the noise is very low but it is there ... I am still waiting for a real and original solution.
Hug Alex!

Using separate RPT-60B appears to be best solution here, plastic washers did not work for me neither did the buck converter. But the RPT-60B fixed it

#585 1 year ago
Quoted from Hollywoodbone:Has any one tried replacing the whole sound board with a pinsound? Was going to try it to see if it worked!

I had a LAH that I put a pinsound in. Sound was excellent at that point. No more buzz.

#586 1 year ago
Quoted from russdx:

El uso de RPT-60B separado parece ser la mejor solución aquí, las arandelas de plástico no funcionaron para mí ni el convertidor reductor. Pero el RPT-60B lo arregló

Good friend
I will try what you mention.
1 . Can you publish photos ?
2. How do you connect ?
3. When connecting you must program voltage to 12v ? As we did in the other module ?
4. If you publish photos I will guide your project

You say that under the noise, but I don't get it out. I read this from a comment
That's right.
One thing is the noise of the speakers.
Another is the DMD screen noise (this noise doesn't bother me)

If you help me, I will do it.

We can do it!

Alex !

#587 1 year ago
Quoted from Asanteiro:

Good friend
I will try what you mention.
1 . Can you publish photos ?
2. How do you connect ?
3. When connecting you must program voltage to 12v ? As we did in the other module ?
4. If you publish photos I will guide your project
You say that under the noise, but I don't get it out. I read this from a comment
That's right.
One thing is the noise of the speakers.
Another is the DMD screen noise (this noise doesn't bother me)
If you help me, I will do it.
We can do it!
Alex !

Give me a few days I’ll take photos of my install

#588 1 year ago
Quoted from Hollywoodbone:

Has any one tried replacing the whole sound board with a pinsound? Was going to try it to see if it worked!

I believe it does sort it out. I have a friend with Pinsounds in his Star Wars, Guns and Tommy

#589 1 year ago
Quoted from russdx:

Give me a few days I’ll take photos of my install

Excellent. Thank you

This is how I see how everything is connected.
I saw that you tried the other module and it didn't work.
The same thing happened to me.
If you look here in the forum I uploaded photos.
What I most want to see is how the cables are connected to the new module and the sound board.

This new module has to be encoded for 12v ? Or is it automatic?
Is it connected like the other module?

I am not a very expert but with pictures I encourage myself to try it.
I'm waiting for your pictures .

Thank you, my friend.

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#590 1 year ago
Quoted from Hollywoodbone:

Has any one tried replacing the whole sound board with a pinsound? Was going to try it to see if it worked!

Hi Greg, yes it does
I have a pinsound in my JP with the original DE sleakers and no more humms or buzzzes
Also the original mix sounds mutch better, and all reorchestrations are very cool!
You can also make your own sounds play

Specialy JP is Epic
I have the egg mode playing gnr welcome to the jungle i.e.

And you can switch between mixes!

#591 1 year ago
Quoted from Asanteiro:

Excellent. Thank you
This is how I see how everything is connected.
I saw that you tried the other module and it didn't work.
The same thing happened to me.
If you look here in the forum I uploaded photos.
What I most want to see is how the cables are connected to the new module and the sound board.
This new module has to be encoded for 12v ? Or is it automatic?
Is it connected like the other module?
I am not a very expert but with pictures I encourage myself to try it.
I'm waiting for your pictures .
Thank you, my friend.[quoted image][quoted image][quoted image]

Don’t plug this into your audio board without setting the 12v output as can range from like 5 to 18 depending on the pot. Plug into game power first and using meter adjust until you get 12v before you plug audio board in

I think reason it did not work for me is only the 12v is being sort of isolated, the other 3 lines just pass straight through so could carrying the interference.

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#592 1 year ago

Just ordered a pair of buck boosters this morning for experimenting. I have one or two DE pins that have speaker hum but in all honesty not enough to bother me but worth trying this out for the cost.

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#593 1 year ago

Sorry for delay, here is photo of my install which works great

Basically unplug the old audio power connector then give the new psu AC in then power your audio board using the psu out (gnd,5v,12v,-12v)

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#594 1 year ago
Quoted from PinballGiant:

Just wanted to add my two cents on fixing the speaker hum. My strategy was based off of wpmcnamara's previous posts. Got rid of the majority of the hum for about $30. Here is a video explaining what I did and the before and after. In short, I just added a 12V buck boost converter on the +12V to the sound board and had great results. Cleaner and cheaper than an entirely separate power supply and plug and play after you build it. Here are some pics too.

Just did mine on a Playboy that was LOUD. You knew the machine was on when you were in the room loud, the loudest DE I have ever owned.

Now? The thing is so quiet is flipping eerie! Unless you have an ear within a foot or two of the speaker you can't tell its running.

Best. D.E. Mod. Ever.

I'll post a video shortly.

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#595 1 year ago

Video up!

#596 1 year ago

I have had my phantom for 15+ years and tried everything. It was so loud that I could never leave it running, unless I was playing it.
Did the buck converter mod and it is super quiet now, almost like a new game

#597 1 year ago
Quoted from gdonovan:

ust did mine on a Playboy that was LOUD. You knew the machine was on when you were in the room loud, the loudest DE I have ever owned.

Now? The thing is so quiet is flipping eerie! Unless you have an ear within a foot or two of the speaker you can't tell its running.

Best. D.E. Mod. Ever.

I'll post a video shortly.

Can somebody make a kit for this? I'd gladly pay $60 for the quick fix.

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#598 1 year ago

Hello friends, I ask you again on this subject.
For me.
It is not a problem of plates .
For me the topic is in the potentiometer or filter emitted. There in that sector is the topic.
Did anything change both of them?
My hook was noisy but then it was unbearable.
The machine without playing just makes the noise to DMD doesn't bother me. But when playing it makes explosions, you can make all kinds of noises.
I changed the fuse holder and improved it . That's why I say that this can be the issue .
If anyone wants to comment I'm all ears !
Greetings from Argentina

#599 1 year ago
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#600 1 year ago

If your interested in one drop me a note.

I have enough parts for 8 more, doubtful if I'm going to make more after that as this was just a little side project and I'm told by a vendor z-connectors are not being restocked as the manufacturer has gone out of business.

These are plug and play: Molex connectors with key pin in place, z-connector, Trifurcon heavy duty contacts (because overkill) set for 12 volts on the dot and tested in my noisiest pin Playboy for an hour.

This should work in just about every Data East except the first two pins (Laser War and Torpedo Alley) with very early sound boards. The voltages look a little different and I need to double check first.

Gary

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