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Data East pinball club


By PinballManiac40

4 years ago



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“Do you have any Data East Pinball machines??”

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#37 4 years ago

3 here as well:

Rocky and Bullwinkle
Last Action Hero
Tales From the Crypt

I agree these are all fun games. I also have GNR and Tommy on my wish list.

2 months later
#155 4 years ago
Quoted from TopMoose:

What specific settings did you change? I have mine set to maximum number of possible extra balls, Special = extra ball, etc. and have had neither an extra ball puzzle award nor a Rocky hat trick in over a year.

Quoted from FirebrandX:

Really? What Rom version do you have? Mine is that unofficial 3.something (can't remember exactly). You might want to try a factory reset and a battery wipe. I vaguely remember someone having a similar problem, and it took a full reset like that if I remember correctly.

I discussed the Special award in my R&B rule sheet thread here:
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/fractured-pinball-rules-rocky-and-bullwinkle-re-re-re-visited/page/2#post-1714991

I've based my analysis on 1.30, but I have no reason to believe that 3.20 is drastically different in this area. Make sure Adj 04 (Game Awards) is NOT set to none. Also, since you have to complete the four regular puzzles before you can get the EB or Special puzzle, if you have the first Replay level set too low then you'll tend to get the replay before getting a chance to see the Special puzzle as it is disabled if you've already passed a replay threshold. Update: This may only apply if you have Adj 04 set to Credit or Special.

Also, check Audit 21 (Special Percent). If this is 5% or greater then you wont see any Specials until it drops below 5%. Since you can also get a Special from Mystery Select then it is possible you will never see the Special puzzle. Update: It appears you may see the Special puzzle after the first cycle through the puzzles even if it was suppressed on the first cycle.

Let us know if you figure it out.

Post edited by classicgamefan: Corrected erroneous information.

#157 4 years ago
Quoted from TopMoose:

Thanks, Classicgamefan. Adj. 4 is set to Extra Ball and my replay awards are at 100M, 250M, 400M and 550M. Adj. 6 is set to 9 extra balls, Adj. 17: no replay boost, Adj. 42: Extra ball Percent 50. Audit 21 is showing Special Percent 00. Does something seem off that would be effecting Rocky or the puzzle?

Hmmm. I would say you are extremely likely to get to the 100M replay award prior to getting to the 5th puzzle (if EB puzzle was disabled) or 6th puzzle (if the EB puzzle ran). Therefore, Special would be disabled as puzzle because of the replay. I would recommend raising the replay Award 1 to at least 200M to give yourself a better change to get the Special puzzle. Update: I reviewed my notes and did some additional testing. Getting a Replay only disables Special if you have adjustment 04 (Game Award) set to Credit or Special. If you have it set to Extra Ball or None (which really gives you 20M on a replay threshold) then you can still get the Special puzzle on the first trip through the puzzles. An even bigger mistake: it appears that Special and EB puzzles may only be disabled based on the criteria listed the first time through the puzzles. After that, it appears that the EB and Special puzzles may show up every time (?). I still have some more testing to do.

Even so, it's odd that you aren't getting any Specials since you can also get them from MS and SMS. Do you ever get "Special" as a Mystery Select or Super Mystery Select option? How many total games have you played (Audit 26)?

Post edited by classicgamefan: Corrected bad information about EB and Special puzzle suppression.

#159 4 years ago
Quoted from TopMoose:

I'll try raising the replay awards and let you know. I do get Special puzzle rewards, btw, But not Extra Ball puzzle rewards. Audit 26 shows 689 plays since my last reset. Thanks!

Your post made me re-examine my notes and do some additional testing. I have corrected several errors I made in my previous posts above and I will correct the rules thread also. Unfortunately, I have no idea why you are not seeing the EB puzzle if you don't already have an EB (Shoot Again lit) and you haven't used up the max extra balls. Let us know if you figure it out.

1 month later
#168 4 years ago
Quoted from TopMoose:

It's been about a month, so I thought I'd report back about my R&B extra ball issues. I've tried raising the first reward threshold to 200M and tried having only one replay award. The adjustments are set to:
Adj. 4: Extra Ball
Adj. 6: 9 extra balls
Adj. 17: no replay boost
Adj. 42: Extra ball Percent 50.
Audit 21 Special Percent 00.
Sadly, all the problems persist:
1. No sign of Rocky in the backbox
2. No extra ball puzzle awards
3. The extra ball light at the Aesop hole works, but doesn't light during play
I should also mention that Extra Ball has never shown up as a Mystery Award or a Super Mystery Award. I didn't know that was possible until classicgamefan mentioned it. Any ideas? What can I test next?

What do you see for Audit 13: Extra Ball Percent?

#171 4 years ago
Quoted from classicgamefan:

What do you see for Audit 13: Extra Ball Percent?

Apparently, your game has historically given 192% extra balls. You won't see the EB from the puzzle, hat trick award, mystery select, or SMS until the EB % audit falls to 50 or below. I'm not sure if there's any way to fix this without resetting the game audit history.

Update: It appears the Extra Ball Percent is calculated per game (not per ball played). Therefore, even if you do reset the audits (Adjustment 11: Audits Reset), as long as you are earning at least one extra ball by other methods every two games (e.g., via Replay), then Audit 13 (Extra Ball Percent) will go to 50% or above and you will not see the Extra Balls from the other sources. I'm really not sure how to get around this in a home environment other than to turn off extra balls via replay or make the replay scores so high that they are rare.

Update 2: I should mention that if you do manage to make it to the end of a second round of puzzles in a game, then it appears you would see the Extra Ball puzzle regardless of your EB% (same with the Special puzzle regardless of the Special%). I think this is probably a bug and I think it would be extremely difficult to get that far through the puzzle rotation in an actual game, but I mention it for completeness.

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