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Data East mpu board help needed

By Inkochnito

3 years ago


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    #1 3 years ago

    I have a Data East mpu 520-5003-03 board on my workbench.
    The board isn't booting like it should be.
    No acid damage what so ever.
    Both 5V and PIA leds come on.
    I've used a old ATX computer power supply, so the voltage isn't the problem.
    Even with the Data East test eprom the board isn't booting.

    Here is what I've done so far.
    I've replaced ALL the pia chips with known working 6821 chips.
    Tested the reset generator (IC1) on another mpu board and verified it's working correctly.
    Unsoldered all the small chips that have anything to do with chip select ect....
    Tested them all with the chip tester. All oke.
    Replaced the NE555 timer chip.
    Unsoldered both 74LS244 chip and tested them, both oke.
    Replaced the 74LS245 chip, which was bad.
    Exchanged the cpu with a 6802 chip.
    Replaced the sockets for the roms and ram.
    Verified the game roms, both oke.
    Checked the J5 jumper, set correctly (for a 27C512).

    What can pull the reset line low (1.4V)?
    I'm at a loss.....
    Please help me.

    Peter

    #2 3 years ago

    No Data East specialists here?

    #3 3 years ago

    You might want to contact Chris Hibler. He has helped me with DE issues. He also repaired one of my boards. He is one of the good guys.

    #4 3 years ago

    I can't help, as I am in the exact same situation as you are. I am going to follow close and hope someone out there can help us out

    #5 3 years ago
    Quoted from kba78:I can't help, as I am in the exact same situation as you are. I am going to follow close and hope someone out there can help us out

    Same here. Following as well.
    Picked up a project PoTO with alkaline covered board.

    #6 3 years ago

    Are you saying that they reset signal never goes high?

    Chris Hibler - CARGPB #31
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    http://www.PinWiki.com/ - The new place for pinball repair info

    #7 3 years ago

    Maybe the 47uF capacitor behind the PST518 reset generator?!

    #8 3 years ago

    ...and let’s make sure that R4 is connected between the reset signal and 5V. That pull-up resistor is what makes reset go high after the reset generator “releases” the signal from ground.

    Chris Hibler - CARGPB #31
    Http://chrishiblerpinball.com/contact
    http://www.PinWiki.com/ - The new place for pinball repair info

    #9 3 years ago

    Sometimes the reset line goes high for a second or two, but drops to 1.5V

    I did check the 47uF cap with an ERS meter and it is correct.
    I'll replace it anyway.
    I'll also replace R4.
    Thanks for pointing me to another direction.
    I'll let you know what happens.

    #10 3 years ago

    Today I replaced the capacitor and R4 resistor.
    No progress....

    At first the reset signal is high.
    The onboard relay starts clicking 3 or 4 times.
    But the reset goes gradualy down over a period of 4 or 5 seconds to 1.5V

    After that the signal does not go high again after rebooting the board.
    It's just like when het board is cold, it works, but something gets heated and draws the voltage down.

    #11 3 years ago

    There just isn’t much between the reset generator and the processor. If you remove the processor does the reset signal behave normally?

    Chris Hibler - CARGPB #31
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    http://www.PinWiki.com/ - The new place for pinball repair info

    #12 3 years ago

    I would bet you have a floating pin on the 40pin socket that holds the 6808 Processor on the driver/MPU board. Can you tone out that socket?

    I am mentioning this because I have repaired at least a dozen DE driver boards and half of them had a bad 6808, a bad socket for that MPU, or BOTH.

    If your board changes based on temp, it further suggests you have a pin that is heating up and cooling down, flexing in that socket or a rom socket.

    #13 3 years ago

    The cpu socket is the last socket I did not replace (jet).
    I will do that today.

    #14 3 years ago

    The Reset generator not only drives the Reset for the 680x CPU. It also drives the 555 in the Blanking circuitry, it drives a transistor used in Chipselect signal for the RAM and all Reset Inputs at the PIA's. If one component is bad it can jam the /Reset signal. I would remove the 555 temporary, and the 2N3904 transistor used in de the RAM CS signal circuitry and make a temporary jumper connection between C and E on that one to rule that one out. The tarnsistior is only used to avoid data corruption during the powering up. If still having problems and you are sure the 680x CPU is okay, I would examine the PIA's. A testrom ( Leon's, mine or Data East ) could be handy here as it doesn't need PIA's to run. You can remove them all and install them one by one to find the culprit.

    #15 3 years ago

    I've replaced the cpu socket, but it did not help.
    Being at the end of the rope I decided to remove all the PIA's, CPU, 555 timer and go bare bones.
    The signal still stays low at 2.5V
    I made some cuts in the reset line to narrow down the suspects.

    One below the cpu...

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    #16 3 years ago

    One at the back (the right one) and later a second one on the back (the left one).
    The second one (on the left) I made to cut out any possible problem under the chrystal.

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    #17 3 years ago

    Still the problem persisted....
    It had to be in de reset generator/timer section.
    After a very close look I saw something between resistor R64 and R65 legs.
    I removed the capacitor and the reset generator to make some room to clean the area.
    When cleaning C88 also broke in two and needed to be replaced.
    After putting things back together the reset line stayed at a clean 4.6V
    Mission accomplished!!!

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    #18 3 years ago

    I've put all the original part back on the board.
    All is working fine and steady.

    After all it was just some leftover (conductive) residue from battery leakage.....

    #19 3 years ago
    Quoted from Inkochnito:

    Still the problem persisted....
    It had to be in de reset generator/timer section.
    After a very close look I saw something between resistor R64 and R65 legs.
    I removed the capacitor and the reset generator to make some room to clean the area.
    When cleaning C88 also broke in two and needed to be replaced.
    After putting things back together the reset line stayed at a clean 4.6V
    Mission accomplished!!!
    [quoted image]

    Just what sort of part is C88 exactly?

    #20 3 years ago
    Quoted from gdonovan:

    Just what sort of part is C88 exactly?

    It is a ceramic capacitor which is use with all ic's.
    It's exact function I don't know.
    The main problem was the residue which caused it to break.

    #21 3 years ago
    Quoted from Inkochnito:

    It is a ceramic capacitor which is use with all ic's.
    It's exact function I don't know.
    The main problem was the residue which caused it to break.

    I have some that I have to replace on a board and the wiring diagram leaves much to be desired for specification and type.

    #23 3 years ago

    I hate those solder splashes that take hours to find! Good job finding it!

    #24 3 years ago
    Quoted from ChrisHibler:

    gdonovan
    I’ve created a drawing to show the most commonly impacted parts.
    https://www.pinwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=Data_East/Sega#Data_East_CPU_Board_Alkaline_Damage_Area

    Chris Hibler - CARGPB #31
    Http://chrishiblerpinball.com/contact
    http://www.PinWiki.com/ - The new place for pinball repair info

    Unfortunately these are further down from that area.

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