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Data East CPU board - magic smoke release

By kcZ

5 years ago


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#19 5 years ago
Quoted from wayout440:

I would go to the 7408 and gates before the coil drives and compare the signals at the inputs and outputs between a known good coil drive circuit and the bad one. You can use a logic probe, oscilloscope, or DMM to do this. Most of the time I just use a DMM set to DC volts. Put the game is test mode, and jot down the results while probing the signals, noting the states of the inputs and outputs at rest and look for the changes or spikes of a pulse to determine logic highs and lows. Once I know what is going on there, I could find out which direction th head next.
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Question on the E-585-29 -SCR's How do you test the gate while the board is in the machine, or do you just look for the pulse on the IC as you describe above?

#21 5 years ago
Quoted from wayout440:

Just look for the pulses. Put in coil test, set your probes up to monitor a pin on a known good solenoid channel so you know what you are looking for, then move the probe to an equivalent pin on a defective channel to see what happens there when the MPU calls for that solenoid to be activated.

Don't have a probe yet, but on the list, upgrading to a soldering station and a few other thing, first.

So the if you are getting pulse and shorting the SCR make the coil or lamp work you replace the SCR? If no pulse to one SCR then probably the IC or the trace?

#29 5 years ago
Quoted from wayout440:

Your voltmeter or digital multimeter doesn't have probes?....I don't understand.
SCR.s are for lamp circuits and transistors are for coil circuits. Fundamentally they are both used as switches in pinball, but the circuits have differences.
But you do understand the concept of divide and conquer troubleshhoting. If you are testing a device between the logic section and the drive circuit and the signal is not present, we look upstream into the "higher" logic. If the signals we desire are present, then we look downstream to examine the drive circuit.

I was talking about a logic probe. Yea, I understand trouble shooting, I did it on large data backbone network for 30 years, kinda the same thing just larger. Segment from last known good point and work one section back at a time and yes, you should go to the down stream side of the IC and see what you have there.

#39 5 years ago
Quoted from wayout440:

I would go to the 7408 and gates before the coil drives and compare the signals at the inputs and outputs between a known good coil drive circuit and the bad one. You can use a logic probe, oscilloscope, or DMM to do this. Most of the time I just use a DMM set to DC volts. Put the game is test mode, and jot down the results while probing the signals, noting the states of the inputs and outputs at rest and look for the changes or spikes of a pulse to determine logic highs and lows. Once I know what is going on there, I could find out which direction th head next.
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One of my issues is I'm not really familiar with the IC chips, my electrical background is limited, one year of electronics in high school and an RCA NASA soldering and wiring class as a freshman, 43 years ago! Not really sure of the flow, So taking 11, 12 and 13, is the flow to the gate 11 and the output 12 and 13, or am I totally missing the principal?
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#41 5 years ago
Quoted from frunch:

I think it's the other way around--inputs are at 12+13, output is at 11. Wayout can set the record straight for sure though.
If I'm not mistaken, the blanking signal holds one input 'high' (pin 13) while the other input (pin 12) gets switched 'high' from another chip, leading to a 'high' output (pin 11) from the 7408...

Ok, wasn't sure, thanks.

#42 5 years ago

looking at the diagrams again, I see what your saying, so this would be a AND gate?

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