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Data east checkpoint dmd/reset issues

By joelw23

4 years ago


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#51 4 years ago

I think it was a combo of the display eeprom, nvram, and factory reset

#52 4 years ago

Well that wasn’t it....

Played again, back to the same issues

#53 4 years ago

Try pulling out the ribbon cable a bit at the MPU to see if the ribbon cable makes better connection that way. If that doesn't work, try the same thing at the DMD ribbon cable connection. Maybe there is some corrosion on the board pins.

#54 4 years ago

Ok I will try that! Thx

#55 4 years ago

Interesting checked on my turtles again tonight and the DMD is working properly but still sure there is something bigger happening

#56 4 years ago
Quoted from V8haha:

Also noticed one of my batteries is starting to go bad need to swap them out.

Quoted from PinballManiac40:

Consider going NVRAM to rid of those batteries forever. 124 year retention rate.
https://www.pinitech.com/products/6264_nvram.php

#57 4 years ago

sounds like you need a new power supply or rebuild the one you have.

#58 4 years ago

Can you measure the voltages at the DMD power connector? Up till now, seems to have been a data issue.

#59 4 years ago

J2 pins
1 - 5v
2 - G
3 - key
4 - 12v
5 - 68v
6 - 88v - seems out of spec...should be 98v
7 - 100v
8 - G
9 - G

#60 4 years ago

Connector is plugged in at the DMD? It needs to be. Would like to see the exact meter measurements.

#61 4 years ago

4.99
G
Key
12.1
68
-89.2
-101.7
G
G

#62 4 years ago

fixed the skill shot issue, it was just a switch adjustment....

still not getting the race again/ball save to light up and work when you start a game...

#63 4 years ago

So all your animations are working now you are saying?

Quoted from joelw23:

fixed the skill shot issue, it was just a switch adjustment....

Shooter lane switch?

#64 4 years ago

Screen is still cutting out and garbled sometimes.. but seems random

#65 4 years ago

It was the shooter lane switch for the skill shot

#66 4 years ago
Quoted from joelw23:

still not getting the race again/ball save to light up and work when you start a game...

Does it light up if you go into the lamp test? No others are out?

#67 4 years ago

Yes and no

#68 4 years ago

Swapped in a working bulb from another location? Lamp socket missing the diode or the solder tabs touching?

#69 4 years ago

the "race again" lights up in the lamp test.. the lights twist in to a pcb board.

I'm just assuming "race again" is the ball save function....

it works sometimes, but was playing and it came on at the end of a long played ball...doesn't seem right.

#70 4 years ago

Anyone have a spare cpu board or power supply I could try?

#71 4 years ago

My power supply is also not being used along with my DMD as the playfield is all torn apart. I would want to see about recapping the power supply though if I was to send it on your way.

As another mentioned, capacitors would be a huge benefit to keeping the game running. There are a couple of the smaller ones that do like to leak and eventually would cause loss of 5volts. Currently, I think you voltages at the DMD seem like they are in spec.

#72 4 years ago

Ok...maybe it is something on the dmd...

If not it has to be on the cpu then.

#73 4 years ago

Same issues, but it seems like it’s mostly with the players score.. it can be blank or garbled, but other animations work fine even after the score is garbled.

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#74 4 years ago

With power off, Can you paritally unplug the ribbon cable at the DMD and at the MPU board? If it helps, then I would scrub the male board pins with a clean toothbrush and alcohol.

#75 4 years ago

I tried that and it didn't help.

clean with alcohol anyway, didn't help.

reflowed the pins on the dmd and mpu board, didn't help.

#76 4 years ago

i played 5 games and 4 out of the five, the screen blanked out when it should show scores during gameplay and rebooted once also.

after the 3rd ball drain, the score will show on the dmd

#77 4 years ago

jeez I wonder what it could be? could the DMD its self be bad?

#78 4 years ago

could be.....

i just ordered a bridge rectifier to replace BR1...seemed to test bad.

was reading another thread and saw this......

"We are having issues with the dmd resetting during gameplay too. After installing a new LED display, a new DMD display rom, new ribbon cables, and a new power supply the dmd still resets randomly during gameplay and/or during the Star Trek preview, except it still keeps score.

From Clay's Repair Guide: This problem occurs because the +12 volts needed for the dot matrix display is generated by the 18 volt lamp matrix bridge and the capacitor / fuse bolted inside the back box (through connector CN5 on the power supply). The 12 volts generated by the power supply board (for the sound board which comes from connector CN6), does not provide this voltage to the dot matrix display. Hence, the power supply could be working perfectly, and this problem could still exist.

This sounds and looks exactly like what is happening. We have looked at this in Clay's Repair Guide and are doing all the reset suggestions, (i.e. replace diodes, bridge rectifiers, etc....)"

#79 4 years ago

Does CN1 on the power supply have any discoloration on the white plastic housing at all? That will be a sign of burnt pins. I think the 100v for the display power comes in at the top corners of this 3x4 connector. May want to just reseat the connector even if it seems ok.

#80 4 years ago
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#81 4 years ago

found a couple melted wires on CN1..pulled them apart and electrical taped them for now... Same issues...

#82 4 years ago

How does the CN1 look on the power supply? Is there discoloration around that pin? If so, that is an issue that needs to be checked as to whether that goes to the 100v on the schematic. Which pin is this one? I can't tell by the orientation of CN1 in your hand.

#83 4 years ago

I think 10 & 11, might be 11 & 12..i will check today

#84 4 years ago

11 & 12 were melted

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#85 4 years ago

changed out the lamp matrix bridge rectifier and the issues haven't changed.

#86 4 years ago

Taking the dmd to a friend to test in another machine

#87 4 years ago

Let us know how it goes

#88 4 years ago

DMD tested out fine in his machine!

next going to bring over the cpu board.

#89 4 years ago

CPU board and power supply tested fine in tmnt..

Must be a connector/connection issue somewhere.

#90 4 years ago

Post #80 you show the discoloration from the burnt pin that will get worse over time. So I am wondering if you remember when the animations got better at that time, do you remember reseating CN1 along the other things you mentioned?

Here are a list of parts to redo the wiring and male pins. The male pins are a challenge to get out of the board sometimes. Normally I see both mating ends of the CN1 damaged, not just one end.

https://www.marcospecialties.com/pinball-parts/CKWMS
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#91 4 years ago

CN1 pin 12 is ground which in turn is used at the DMD power connector.

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#92 4 years ago

I repinned cn1 and cn5

#93 4 years ago

with the flipper board unplugged the issue is gone......also tried with it plugged in and j7 unplugged at the PPB and the issue is gone...

getting 77v at the pins that should be 50v

#94 4 years ago

Odd. I have been expecting a data issue. The flipper coil voltage is not even going to the DMD controller board at all so I don't see how the animations are being affected.

Do you have the two ground straps connected from the bottom of the backtox to the speaker panel? One of them should at least be connected to the ground of the DMD, possibly via from a speaker panel ground on one of the speakers.

#95 4 years ago

Yep

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#96 4 years ago

Flipper board and ppb tested fine in the other machine

#97 4 years ago

Should there be a capacitor or diode on the flipper button switch????

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#98 4 years ago

the manual says it should use a 180-5067-00 flipper button microswitch....my cabinet has a leaf switch....

#99 4 years ago

nevermind...looks like it can be replaced with a standard leaf switch

#100 4 years ago

Can you test the flipper board in another game? Only way it would cause an issue if there is a data line corrupt somehow. Is this an original DE or Rottendog flipper board? How about a picture of the board?

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