(Topic ID: 32454)

Cyclone GI Problem and Mystery Wheel Opto


By pintopkp

6 years ago



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  • Latest reply 6 years ago by EasyDZ
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#1 6 years ago

I made a previous post about the backbox lighting on my new Cyclone and LTG steered me in the right direction (burnt connector on the interconnect board). Got that fixed and I've been looking into two other problems; been using what I've learned here and have fixed several other small issues, but two have me stumped.

1. The GI for the playfield is dark; no lights at all (specials and inserts work fine). While looking for more burnt connectors, I found an electrical taped wire where one has been splced into another; definitely a hack job (first picture). It's also pretty melted and deformed. It goes with the connector on the bottom right of the power supply (second picture). I traced it down to the bottom of the playfield where it is sloppily soldered onto a light socket (third picture). The fifth picture (probably in a subsequent reply post) shows a square shaped connector that seems to be missing a wire. I'm still not great at reading the wiring diagrams and such, but my question is, is this causing my GI problems? Does that piece of speaker wire that someone used belong in the sqaure connector missing a wire?

2. When running the diagnostics, I get what I assume to be an error for the Mystery Wheel Opto. I thought it was working fine, but it sits there and flashes at me the below pictured message.

Any help would be appreciated. Thanks again. Despite it's couple of problems, I'm having a blast with the pin.

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#2 6 years ago

Mystery wheel message:

// Error: Image 58008 not found // // Error: Image 58009 not found //

#4 6 years ago

Anybody? Even just a nudge in the right direction? No more burnt connectors that I can see and fuses are good and brand new.

#5 6 years ago

GI: there's a connector in the cabinet with four yellow wires - check it to make sure it's ok and not burnt. Reseat it and see what happens.

Mystery wheel: run the mystery wheel test and see if it is registering correctly. If it is, that's all you need to worry about. If the mystery wheel is showing up in switch test it's likely the wheel is positioned where the opto is being tripped - not a problem.

viperrwk

#6 6 years ago

Thanks, Viper. I appreciate it. I went and checked and reseated that connector; not burned as far as I can tell. GI still not working. However, as I was doing so, I caught sight of a relay board that lives all the way at the top of the underside of the playfield and the first couple of pins and the connector were toast! I have headers in the way from mouser, but could this be the problem? I didn't think to check the relay boards when I was looking for burnt connectors.

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#7 6 years ago

Is this the relay closest to the rear of the playfield? If so this is the GI relay. You'll need to repin that connector. You can swap it with the other one under the playfield (after changing those pins of course) to check and see if it works. The other one is for the Mystery Wheel.

viperrwk

#8 6 years ago

Yup, that would be the one. Thanks again. In reading Clay's system 11 guide, I must have missed the mention of the GI relay. Pretty dumb on my part. I'll post back once I get it fixed. Thanks, again.

#9 6 years ago

Out of curiosity, could I use this as a replacement if for some reason I can't repair the current board?

http://www.pinballpcb.com/Snubber.html

#10 6 years ago

The parts to repair are easy to come by and from the looks of it that board is repairable. If for some reason it isn't the direct replacement is available from GLM for $25:

http://www.greatlakesmodular.com/index.html?http://www.greatlakesmodular.com/products/pinball/sy11rb1_a.html

viperrwk

#11 6 years ago

Thanks once again.

I'll try to repair the old one first; my soldering skills are pretty good. Once this is fixed, then the only other technical thing to fix is the left slingshot. But that's a thread for another time...

Thanks again and happy holidays.

#12 6 years ago

Repinned board and connector and we're in business. Thanks again.

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#13 6 years ago

Glad you got it fixed, always feels so good.

#14 6 years ago

Nice! Hey! You, with the face! Go play!

viperrwk

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#15 6 years ago

I just got my first pinball machine and it is a Cyclone. "Hey you with the face!" Indeed! This is almost the exact problem I am having. My problem is in the seven pin connector and not the relay. Basically, the whole right side of the board doesn't work unless I press the right sided of the connector. I pulled the connector out, and the very last pin seems to be a little brown. Does anyone know where I can get a new connector, and is it as easy and cutting the old connector off, and putting a new one on? This is really the last major obstacle I have before the machine is completely running...I think. Thank you

#17 6 years ago
Quoted from EasyDZ:

Basically, the whole right side of the board doesn't work unless I press the right sided of the connector. I pulled the connector out, and the very last pin seems to be a little brown.

If pressing on the connector while it's plugged in temporarily fixes the issue, you might try reflowing the solder for the male pins on the back of the board. Could be cracked solder joint.

#18 6 years ago

Thanks Kyle. I attached a picture of the connector, but I haven't removed the relay to check the pins. Now, I can't wait to get home from work to see if that works!

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#19 6 years ago
Quoted from kyle5574:

If pressing on the connector while it's plugged in temporarily fixes the issue, you might try reflowing the solder for the male pins on the back of the board. Could be cracked solder joint.

THAT WAS IT! I soldered the male pins and it works every time! I still plan on replacing the connector, but at least we know it works! Thanks again!

#20 6 years ago

I would not go with another IDC connector. Get the Molex trifurcons, crimp and put in a new housing. Get them from Ed @ GPE:

http://www.greatplainselectronics.com/category-86.asp

viperrwk

#21 6 years ago
Quoted from EasyDZ:

THAT WAS IT! ... Thanks again!

No problem. I'm glad you got it working.

I learned about that kind of problem from Clay Harrell's PinballNinja repair blog. Best $20 in pinball.
http://www.pinrepair.com/donate/

#22 6 years ago
Quoted from kyle5574:

No problem. I'm glad you got it working.
I learned about that kind of problem from Clay Harrell's PinballNinja repair blog. Best $20 in pinball.
http://www.pinrepair.com/donate/

Hey there Kyle. I haven't tried it yet, but I am going to replace the two strobes on the back wall behind the Ferris Wheel. Do I have to take the board completely our to replace these?

Also, I wondered what you meant about the repair blog. Do I get access to this after I donate? With all the help there is no doubt I am going to donate something, but I thought I would ask.

Hope all is well.

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