So have "more than two" STLEs now sold at $6k? That's what you're saying here (unless your ">" was a typo or some kind of obscure Wisconsin punctuation). Previously in the thread you said there were two sales at $6k.

I know you are shocked, shocked, that a STLE may have sold for $6800 recently, but implying that the guy is lying without substantial proof is uncalled for.

Look, I don't care if the market price for STLE is now really $6k, don't own one and never plan to. But you seem a tad aggressive in arguing the point here. Overstating facts and disparaging the character of people offering evidence that conflicts with your viewpoint isn't going to win anyone over.

Why not?

Very low volume of trades.

The buyer and seller have their own prices they are willing to buy and sell at.

You're too late. This was in the post four above yours:

On a related note, i've noticed prices on Shadow and Whirlwind have been in the dumper and have been sitting for extended periods of time in the $1500 price range. If anyone needs to dump their's, i'm your guy.

all in good fun, folks. all in good fun.

And it's always the Shelby!

I think timing has a lot to do with the LE pricing.

When JJP first came on the scene, I remember them saying they weren't going after Stern's market, instead they would be offering a full featured game at a premium price. At the time, I think WOZ at $6500 was $1500 more than the latest Stern model.

However, it took JJP such a long time to get WOZ out that Stern was able to increase their pricing without really adding anything significant in regards to innovation or stuff to their games.

Flash forward to today and it looks like Stern will be competing with many companies, not just JJP. The TBL launch shows another company offering a full featured game with some innovation.

As more and more of these games hit the market, I expect Stern will need to change their pricing or start putting more into their LE's if they want to remain competitive at the current price point. I don't think theme alone is going to be enough.

i doubt it. there are poor people out there with 16 pinball machines! can you imagine how many the rich guys own?

this is payback for your smart comments earlier. I'm done pestering you now.

I wanted a premium version of a model and one that sold in the thousands. Besides it's a bad ass car!
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Today's LE's will be our kids project pins 20+ years from now.... Only they won't have to do anything to get them running, and they'll be paid to take them away from location.

Deflation is setting in everywhere (much to the chagrin of Central Bankers the world over). Precious metal prices are leading the charge lower. The world is in massive oversupply (except for fresh water lol), so watch for everyting, including pinball machines, to gently settle to a flat to downward trajectory over the coming years. It's good for everybody by the way. Inflation is just the debasement of your hard earned cash over time.

I would argue that we're seeing Deflation for the things we want, and Inflation for things we need.

That is a learning curve that is never fully learned.

There will always be some titles where they make too many or too little.

Every time I see those strange pinball cabinets on EBDLE, Centaur 2 , or MrMsPac I can't help but think about who at Bally thought they were going to sell so many Rapidfires, that they ordered enough cabs for 13,000 extra games......

Huh??

Once the economy improves, watch for how much inflation is going to hurt.

Too many dollars chasing too few products = inflation.

I bought XM LE and STLE and sold quickly for losses and regretted buying both.

Short answer, not buying any more LE's. Too expensive and don't like taking a loss if the game is a dud. Better to wait a year or two and pick up in the secondary market.

Can't see any future LE's going up in value.

You thought XMLE and STLE were both duds? Interesting.

Another's loss is another's gain.

The trend would suggest that you will probably take a loss on all future LE's, whether they are duds or not.

I know of one that sold for 6k

Boy, that's an understatement. It took them so long to get them all out that by the time they did get them all out, nobody cared anymore.

Anyone fitting this description complaining about the price of LEs can just shut the F*** up.

You're from NY, ask any Giants or Jets fan how they feel about the value of their PSL.

I think one issue is everyone uses Pinside as the barometer when it comes to pricing. We are just a small sample of the pinball population. My buddy sold his STLE today for $6500 and it took only a few days to sell. It wasn't posted on pinside and he had a few interested parties as well.

People are free to make good deals and bad deals, congrats on the Seller and the Buyer, well, not so good. But and extra $500 may be no big deal to that guy.

Excellent. I had mine on mrpinball with an asking price of $7200 and I was dealt down to $6800. For some reason a few of the guys have a hard time grasping the fact that there is more to pinball than pinside. I posted the price that mine sold for and it was quickly pointed out that it was still listed in my collection. Heaven forbid I never ran to pinside to update my collection!

To me anywhere from 6 to 7 K for a STLE seems like the ballpark for now. IF I was in the market and genuinely wanted the game, AND it came up for sale to me I am obviously going to be happier with the lower price.

But, am I going to pass on it just because of a few hundred bucks? A thousand? What are the odds another one will come up for sale locally to me if I want it NOW?

That being said, I tend not to want games "now". I just picked up a SM, and that game is ~ 7 years old and I have wanted it for years. If it takes me that long to pick up an AC/DC or Metallica, then so be it.

You are 100% correct, well said.

I always thought Pinside was the best place to get top dollar (ignoring eBay). I guess that is changing - good for buyers here.

Tron LE all the way bay-bee
...one sa-weet ride...

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My guess is that Tron LE, BIB and SMB will take a pretty big fall as time goes on and more new, enticing pins come out. Key word being guess. The LEs were actually limited but there are plenty of essentially the same game without the extra bling selling for close to half the price. This seems like a real anomaly in the hobby today, and things that seem too good usually come back down to earth. But then again looks do matter.

why is everyone selling stle? I have played it and I think its a great game.
what is it that people want to sell?

I'm guessing a lot of people are seeing all the cool new stuff coming out and need to sell a high dollar pin like STLE to free up some cash. I'm sure others simply don't like the pin as much as they thought they would, and are looking to replace it with another title. I really like STLE, and have no plans to sell mine anytime soon. Ever since the new code dropped, I've been playing it every day.

My SMB is priceless

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It's a bitch to remember all the acroynms the older you get. I have a hard enough time with anniversaries and birthdays.

I really don't get why Tron LE is now going for double what Tron Pro costs. There's not $5k worth of added value there.

Because there are only 250 of them. It doesn't matter what you are selling or what anybody says on this forum, limited production equals higher value....... to most (Not all, I know there are some who don't care about getting on the LE train)

Put a Tron next to a Tron LE on a showroom floor and mark them both for sale. You tell me which one the buyer will be more attracted to IF THERE IS NO PRICE POSTED. Once they see the price their opinion will change.

My buddy has one for sale at $6500 for a month with invisa glass and has had VERY little if any action.

Can you pass on the contact information of the other interested parties? We are only a few hours away...i'll be sure he gets it

Thanks!

Not to me, but I guess only a few dozen buyers need to buy into this idea to keep the price up.

Really? looking at these side by side you'd take the Pro model? C'mon now......

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Thanks NJGecko for the pics on a previous thread!

I don't think you can make a sweeping good/bad deal generalization. Where you live and pin availability can be a big factor.

Exactly; $500 can easily be the cost of gas / food / hotel / ferry to pick up a "cheap" road trip pin. If its a half hour drive, my time can be worth that if it is a pin I am jonesing for (once again, I only tend to buy ~ 1 pin a year... so its not like I am rotating games every 30 days like some guys seem to here ).

Definitely - I'd buy the Pro and add the bling myself for $1500 (tops).

You're missing my point. I said the LE is worth more than the pro. Side by side comparison is easy to see why it's worth more

If you are asking with everything else bring equal would most people choose the LE? Of course! If you are asking would people chose the LE regardless of price then I would suggest that they wouldn't.

No offense but this thread title reminds me more of something i'd see in a scientific journal than a pinside post. makes me laugh every time i see it. lol. sorry.

Bad example. Show a pro with the lighting kit and el paper lit custom armor and aprons.