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CPR playfield preorders are meaningless

By tomdrum

5 years ago


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Post #53 Explanation of CPR PF blank vs Stern PF blank hardness Posted by CPR (5 years ago)

Post #66 Explanation of reasons for CPR preorder estimation process Posted by KevinCPR (5 years ago)


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#157 5 years ago
Quoted from PinMonk:

At least we know vid's full of crap saying Stern's playfields are not worse because they're cheaping out on the wood. From that clear, concise, insider account, they are cheaping out on the playfield wood to save $12 per $8000 machine.

I don't want to say I told you so but....

#185 5 years ago
Quoted from Marvin:

and as they explained with small runs they do they can't afford to send back rejects for credit. Stern can take in 1000 blanks, reject 100 and it does not matter. The lumber is local and they are big enough customer that the supplier will cover the returns. They aren't going to cover a shipping returns from a "small" customer in another country, or even a small customer a long way away in the same country.

Thanks Mr. Sockpuppet

#208 5 years ago
Quoted from CaptainNeo:

color changing for a mode is one thing. It's temporary and ment to screw with you so you can't see for crap. Like in Space Station or Atlantis. It does that on purpose because the designers know you can't see shit if you have colored GI's. People that put color where white is suppose to be do not understand that.

Neo, just get some glasses would you...

#214 5 years ago
Quoted from cpr9999:

Kevin,
You have been great at helping everyone understand why you have the best playfield!!! Cool.
One last question...from earlier post “We use the same basic setup as Stern, 3 layers of white ash cores then we use 4 layers of maritime hard maple BUT we increased the thickness of the two face veneers by 64% to get a nominal face thickness of 0.075". ”
So is the difference your top and bottom layer are thicker than Sterns (but still made out same wood)? And the core is identical to Sterns?
Do I understand this correctly?

I don't think so, how would explain the 1/3 heavier weight then? The important take away is that not all the Maple plywoods pfs floating around are the same....the core differentiation may be a factor in what we've been seeing.

I'd like to repost this for posterity

"Does it help against dimpling? Scientifically, one could say absolutely yes it 'should' - some. A hardrock maple top layer, with a genuine ash ply immediately underneath, should be an impact-harder surface than a hardrock maple top layer with one of those typical "brown" filler plys underneath. Technically."

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#242 5 years ago
Quoted from PinMonk:

Let's not promote the path of a Stern apologist with this kind of "out."
When Stern is sending out STEVE RITCHIE to parrot information he HAS TO KNOW is false (especially in light of them screwing him over with the legendary "as designed" non-fix for GoT Prem/LE mechanical design problem with the orbit), and they are loading up pinside with shills shouting down anyone who mentions the truth of their current playfields sucking due to much heavier cratering than earlier this century and all of the late 20th century, STERN KNOWS they're putting out an inferior playfield. And cutting them slack by letting the shills get away with denying the truth, or excusing them sending Steve to do their dirty PR work is not helping anyone.

The goal post keeps getting moved on this subject. doesn't it? Mean time we can clearly see a difference just standing in front of our games.

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