(Topic ID: 114843)

CPR Hole Dimpling (Flash Gordon)


By Skins

5 years ago



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#1 5 years ago

Looking for some confirmation from people who have swapped in a cpr FG playfield. Did everyone run into a situation where the upper playfield is missing like 80% of the dimples and 4 through holes? I have seen slight dimples, a few dimples missed but this is like they forgot the upper playfield altogether. What a shame. The main playfield was spot on.

#2 5 years ago

As noted on the web site that the Dimples are a Guide > NOT a Bible...
4. DIMPLES AND HOLES

The holes (which mean all the way through the wood from front to back) are matched to two or more selected factory playfields,
and you can follow them as the gospel. Our drilling should be dead-on with factory originality.

Dimples, on the other hand, we mapped based on a single factory playfield that was traced. They are provided for convenience during the swap process. For most items like bulbs and posts, any deviation isn't great enough to make any difference, if deviation exists. CPR's dimples are easily within 1mm in any direction of where they should be, which is an acceptable tolerance. The bottom, specifically, was imprinted using a dimple press, and the dot array was "stamped" into the wood in one shot. But that shot could have tiny variance in any direction.
This is explained so you don't start second-guessing parts positioning if you find a slightly better position. Better is better!

For crucial hardware (flipper mechanics, ball trough, etc), don't just plunge screws into the dimples without checking the physical position of the hardware itself. Always check that your hardware is in its proper position, then look to see where the screw holes in the hardware are positioned. If they are over the dimples, great. If they are not, slightly move the part and see if the dimples are close by.

Make a judgement call on either following the dimples, or not following the dimples in those cases. Proper (or better) positioning takes precedence over following the dimples. Don't feel "stuck" to the dimples! Remember, our dimple pattern is based on one
playfield, and through the thousands of original playfields made back at the factory, parts were hand-screwed via a template.
Every original playfield is slightly different in where the parts were drilled-in. This is normal. Go slow, it will all work.

http://www.classicplayfields.com/vote.html

Post edited by Stu: Kevin took over

#3 5 years ago

Yeah I read all the cya stuff on your site. Why is every dimple and through hole present on the main playfield and the upper is left to interpretation? I'm talking about topside stuff, not bottom side dimples missing. Ball guide dimples missing. Post hole through holes missing. Lining up properly? I have to now measure the holes on the old playfield and carry that over and hope I'm right. I don't see how that's any better.

#4 5 years ago

I've seen a lot of people use tracing paper. Trace and transfer to the new playfield(from the original) and see if they line up right. I think what Stu is pointing out is that their source material was maybe not in the best shape so hey had to improvise. I am curious how this turns out for you.

#5 5 years ago

I personally made the topside dimple template. So I can only say it was completely matched to an original, and I rarely miss one hole, let alone several. I'm thinking your upper wasn't hammered at all. As seen on our gallery photos (I added some below) from the web site, the uppers are clearly dimpled and drilled.

What is the origin of your playfield? Direct from us? Secondary market? Was it a first or a second? I'm just curious how or why this was not seen/caught. Or if it was indeed caught, but sold as a second (discounted) to somebody not in the original preorder.

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Classic Playfield Reproductions
http://www.classicplayfields.com

#6 5 years ago

I understand all the blanket statements. My post was generated because it was odd that only the upper playfield is like this. I wanted to be sure there wasn't something I didn't know about the upper playfield. That's why I asked if anyone else ran into this issue when they did a FG swap. Just being cautious before a take a drill to the topside. My real heartburn is the missing through holes. Regardless of the reasoning, it's a shame these were omitted.

#7 5 years ago

Kevin has chimed in so I'll bow out gracefully & let you deal with him on this....

#8 5 years ago
Quoted from KevinCPR:

I personally made the topside dimple template. So I can only say it was completely matched to an original, and I rarely miss one hole, let alone several. I'm thinking your upper wasn't hammered at all. As seen on our gallery photos (I added some below) from the web site, the uppers are clearly dimpled and drilled.
What is the origin of your playfield? Direct from us? Secondary market? Was it a first or a second? I'm just curious how or why this was not seen/caught. Or if it was indeed caught, but sold as a second (discounted) to somebody not in the original preorder.

KEVIN
Classic Playfield Reproductions
http://www.classicplayfields.com

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Thanks Kevin for the reply. I'm not trying to call out CPR. Just trying to understand what I'm dealing with.

Yes yours have the dimples mine are missing. New in the box but on the secondary market. I wasn't aware there was levels of quality on FG, I thought that was on later playfields so I can't speak on what level it is. I will say again, the main playfield was spot on, top and bottom.

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#9 5 years ago

Yes. yours definitely appear to be missing. Here's a thread with pics of my "Gold" for comparison's sake.

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/got-my-new-cpr-flash-gordon-playfield-today

#10 5 years ago

Mine had a few not quite there, but not as many as yours.

#11 5 years ago

It figures. I have had to fight this restore every step of the way.

#12 5 years ago

It will be worth it. Make sure you REALLY test your star rollovers. The new Rollovers are thicker and the inserts themselves might have extra clear in them that may cause the rollover not to move up and down freely.

#13 5 years ago

I don't agree with the factory drilling. Just because the factory messed up, doesn't mean we need to repeat that mistake. My gold HS pf was missing a giant hole in the left hideout, pain to stop work and drill that.

#14 5 years ago

Take a piece of drafting film (arts and craft store), tape it securely to the playfield, and using a FRESHLY SHARPENED awl, poke your holes where you need them.

Because the awl is round and self centering, your new playfield will have the holes transferred exactly.

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