I can't wait for the CPR playfield and this Mod, seems like forever I have been on the request list.

Thanks for the great work.

When will this pf be ready for shipping?

I like that you guys are getting creative with these playfields (the extra work on Fire being another example, and the extra Getaway plastics too I guess count). Fun to see new ideas on old games, that don't "mess" with them if you don't care for them.

If this was available when I had my Bally Star Trek, I might have kept it.

My playfield was rough. Good luck.

Nice mod Stu. I like your color changers in the transporter lanes too, seems very fitting.

Cool idea! Can you activate the mod by short plunging the ball over the shooter lane switch?

Glad to hear that. Hopefully it will give me enough time to make a new cabinet to go with the new pf.

Sorry - I had to down thumb this... As I feel some like I've been copied without even an acknowledgment.

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/star-trek-mirror-universe-pinball#post-641800
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/star-trek-mirror-universe-pinball/page/4#post-1314417

Maybe imitation is the sincerest form of flattery... but I can't help feel like some sort of compensation is in order.

Very cool. Love what you guys do for our hobby!

Sum bitch. I'm a fan of CPR and what they do, but they didn't even give you a reach around...

Great mod !

looking forward to receiving the pf and bg so i can start the resto.

Good job guys.

If I remember right this mod was listed on CPR's web site when I was added to the list and that's been a wile back, at least a year or more.
Looks great but,
Did the price of the Star Trek playfield go up?
It's now listed as $699.00
I could have sworn it was $599.00 but I could, I say I could be wrong on both accounts.

I know you have been working on your mirror universe for a long time, but talk of this mod has been on the CPR site for a long time also. I think it is an example of parallel thinking rather than copying but thats just my 2 cents.

I've got your back too. Seems funny that you finish your project this year, and then this "backburner" mod CPR promises suddenly gets finished.

Terrific job on the Mirror Universe project. Someone needs to at least personally address this issue with you.

Is CPR going to have more Star Trek playfield plastics and backglasses when the playfield is released?

Hey Zit;

What guy hasn't looked at their Star Trek and thought, “Now why didn't Bally just illuminate those nacelles?” CPR did too and apparently, so did you.

When CPR decided way back in 2012 to make the Star Trek PF, Stu and I “both” had the almost the same idea, “This time she’ll have NACELLE LIGHTS!” Now, to be honest, my idea was to just add the two inserts and allow the guys to mod them as they saw fit, which I assumed was to be just GI lights or maybe small 3 LED chase lights you see on promo tags etc. Stu, being Stu, wanted something more....much more. He spent a LONG time coming up with what he did and I think it’s very cool.

I looked briefly and cannot see where you demonstrated your mod with video "before 2012" so I doubt you had anything to copy until about the same time we did. This has been in development for a very long time. I have been after Stu for many months to post a video but he’s been working to change up the sequence and triggers etc and has gone through countless versions of the software that drives this thing. Even after it was ready to show, he wouldn't post anything until I sent him inserts so he could build a realistic mock up. These could have been ready to show in late 2013 but there was no sense as the playfield was still a long way off. As for the timing.... I had Stu show the video because I wanted to have him stop tweaking it. There were and are no sinister motives... The playfields were cut months and months ago and when it came time to starting the screening process it was only logical that I had Stu stop tweaking the crap outta this and show everyone, including me, what he's been working on for so long.

Your wording of “unlicensed” in your posts seems to indicate that you have gone ahead and applied for a patent or something for this. Again if you have a patent pending filing before 2012 then maybe we do owe you an apology but I don't think a patent would ever be issued for something as broad as this. We did not take this idea from you, it’s an idea that many many people have had when they played Star Trek, the only difference is that CPR has the ability to make ideas like this a reality on a bigger scale.

If you feel somehow slighted then I do apologize for making you feel this way but I simply don’t see how we “owe” you anything.

Mike Purcell

Mike,
In many posts; you guys have gone out of way to tell people your doing faithful reproductions.
Once you asked if anyone had NOS PFs for a DE Star Trek. I offered; but was declined due to it may have "touch ups".

As far as I know; it's been historically against CPRs policy to not make any changes except when you can't "color match" using off the shelf inks. The only exception to the rule AFAIK would be the special centaur artwork you did. This mod seems to be way off the beaten path for CPR; maybe it was just ill fated timing.

I never provided a "before 2012" statement. My evidence was clearly posted in the thread above.

Regardless; I'm willing accept your assertions that it was an independent thought at coincidentally similarly time frames.

Considering what CPR just did with Fire! and The Getaway plastics (not to mention the Wizard backglass woman's skin color change) it's more than clear that they're not afraid to stray from being purists.

Starting with a clean slate before doing so makes sense though.

What's different on The Getaway plastics?

This is just a dumb argument. Another Butt-Hurt hobbyist complaining that they came up with something first. I mean seriously what do you expect to get out of this whole thing? Greed always comes out when people realize they might be able to get something out of it. Its just like the BS people are putting on Clay for the repair guides. Just a bunch of whiners wanting their fifteen minutes.

And...
Black Knight silver ed. pf
Xenon gold ed. pf
Space Shuttle 30th anniv. ed. pf
Centaur white ed. pf

Stu made some cool alternate ones with different text, optional to use.

Xenon playfield with 2 added bulb holes cut under the tube ramp
PinBot Mini Playfield "Bling Edition" with mirrored bits
DE Playboy 35th Anni mirrored plastics (instead of original gold)
Mirrored Centaur backglass
Black Knight playfields w/ starburst inserts (didn't really have a choice - no jewelled)
TZ Powerfields with the "Flip Here" removed
Mirrored Whirlwind backglass
BoP Face Cube w/ permanent cemented ball guides (instead of original bolt-on)
CFTBL Speaker Panels with mirrored cars and light mask layer on back
BK plastics with return lane guides gargoyles flipped rightside up (original is upside down)
Mirrored Centaur plastics

I had forgotten a lot of the ones people are listing. There were more times than I thought where we deviated from original in order to make (what we believed) was a pimp-up or improvement to something.

Take it easy on Zitt, guys. He was being honest in his feelings, and with new recent communication (here and in private email) I think he has learned a whole lot more since his initial post. I have not a single doubt in my mind he genuinely thought we stole his idea of making LED animated nacelles on the ST playfield, thus he felt trounced. As everybody knows, we have always been forthcoming giving due credit for any contributors of all kinds. Our site is filled with credit for all things everywhere. I think the only retail site in pinball that does such a thing - right in the listing(s) for starters. Had Zitt's idea truly been the catalyst that brought us to thinking up that mod, we would CERTAINLY have given credit where credit is due. We also would have reached out for circuit design help from him.

X-Pin could tell you - we've been "from scratch" on this thing since day one. They started with a complete blank slate.

Anyway, no drama. Zitt's M.U. machine is AMAZING, and having seen his thread for the first time only since he linked it above, my jaw is still on the floor. Nixie displays? Are you freaking KIDDING me ??? Wow. Just wow.

KEVIN
Classic Playfield Reproductions
http://www.classicplayfields.com

PS: The Wayback Machine is your friend

May 25, 2013:

https://web.archive.org/web/20130525081817/http://www.classicplayfields.com/order.html

I wish there was an earlier 2013 snapshot, but there you have it. The ST playfield preorder had the public msg of our animated LED nacelles since the preorder Inbox was opened (early 2013). About 1 year, 4 months ago+

Zitt's first reveal (ever) of his animated LED nacelle board to the public was 8 months ago (according to PinSide):

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/star-trek-mirror-universe-pinball/page/4#post-1314417

I retract my resentment, accusation, and karma downvote. The whole story can be summed up with this webarchive:
https://web.archive.org/web/20130525081817/http://www.classicplayfields.com/order.html
so it truly was parallel independent thinking. I don't follow CPRs work unless it's posted here - so had no clue.

And to Squeakman specifically... I feel for you when someone does you wrong (or you think they did)... must be nice to live in a world where nothing bad (or perceived bad) happens to you and yours.

It has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with greed. Had it been different and they had approached me first; I given permission anyway. Hell; I may have even changed the design of my LED boards for little or nothing.

Group hug achieved!
Not all vendors would put this much heart into clearing the air peacefully on something this touchy.
Lead by example.
-mof

I've gotta echo Aurich - I really like that CPR has found ways to turn the knobs just a little bit farther on some of their projects. That Fire! playfield, with the re-thinking of that logo insert, is something else.

I don't even own a Fire!, but I for one appreciate the obvious effort to make things better. It's how it should have been done if someone really cared. For arcade use it's understandable no one did, like you said these were essentially disposable, but now I know people will benefit from the extra thought now.

So are any of you CPR guys going to answer my question?

Or am I on your "ignore list" or something?

I am almost scared to ask but maybe if they answer your question then maybe they will answer mine too.
I'll start by saying I did buy one of the Star Trek Prototype backglasses and playfield plastics and they are great but I did have one small disappointment with the plastics in the color matching. The blue was not close to the originals so the new plastics don't match the blue on the playfield. Will the blue on the new playfield's be matched to the original or will it be the same as the blue in the new plastics?
If it matters, I like the original blue better.

st protovsprod.jpg

Yeah I remember that. I bought a set back then too and posted an NOS part next to the CPR part remember?

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CPR seems to take some liberties when it comes to color matching but the plastics are still pretty-nice. I sold the CPR Star Trek set I had but still have my NOS one. I would rather save my NOS set though and use a new CPR set with the playfield I ordered. I wouldn't mind getting a backglass too. It's hard to buy everything piece-mealed and would be nice if they offer it all at once too. They do for most of their playfields. Hopefully they'll follow suit with the Star Trek stuff.

It looks like CPR makes improvements on each production run too so I wouldn't be surprised if they were to tweak the colors a tad next time around.

I think they have me on ignore though because they don't seem very responsive. Hopefully I'm still on the playfield list. I think I signed up for it twice.

No ignore lists, guys. I'm simply never on here much. You can always check to see I'm not logged on. I just happened to come back today to check how things went in this thread. All my mind has been on re:PinSide was the Zitt thing. Frankly, breezed by Gatecrasher's question a day ago. My bad. I suspect Stu was the same way, and considered this thread concluded and may not have checked back either, and he's on here every day.

So I'll take a crack at the question(s).

Plastics re-run. I'm pretty sure we're going to cram in a re-run. It's logical. I want to. Everybody seems to be sold out. Playfields spurn newfound interest for plastics. It's definitely a period when guys finally consider giving up on their old plastics - when they know that swap is coming.

Backglass re-run. Likely not immediately. Meaning not at playfield time. But it certainly is another potential re-run on our list of past glasses, because it's seemingly sold out everywhere too.

Blue. That was me. I was attempting to form a "trilogy" over time, where the CPR (proto) backglass, CPR plastics, and CPR playfield would more "match" in the end. Once all three were in, say, one machine. That blue tone on the proto glass (not nearly as "pale" as on the stock glass) influenced my pull of the blue on our proto/stock plastics set somewhat in that more toned direction. It's amazing what only 5% more Process Blue C can do in an ink blend. I probably could have stopped at 3% in retrospect. The hope was always, of course, that eyes & brains forget colors when old parts are thrown away, and adopt the new ones as the parts come out. Of course the change looks stark when in a side-by-side comparison, so I can't win there. Unless folks were mixing repro/original pieces on their machine, I wasn't worried about such a difference ever being visible. But with the playfield coming, that final blue on the playfield needs to be pretty much what people expect. If the blue is going to be "freshened" on the playfield, I won't have the leeway by much. 1% shift or less. To make up for 30 years of fade/dulling, and that's it. When the plastics DO get re-run, I will likely take the opportunity of that rare second attempt to take the blue back in the OTHER direction, to marry better with the repro playfield. I want these CPR parts to all "speak to each other" as parts in the same machine. So believe me, all this is on my mind. There isn't much, if any, room to tinker with the playfield blue people are so used to. So it may end up becoming the new benchmark, and I'll have to say "frig it" to the CPR proto backglass blue. A backglass is important, but not as important as everything matching as best as possible under the playfield glass.

That's good news. Either way the new playfields will still look good.

Just sent Kevin some Paypal money for a brand new Bally Star Trek PF and Plastics combo. Don't have an immediate need; but it'd be nice to have a backup for a future game... so any lingering hard feelings are definitely gone.

I'm looking forward to getting the PF to see how they did their LED mod.

Hey Zitt, They nailed the background blue this time on the new plastics run but did you know about the changes in the color of some of the playfield plastic inserts? What's your take on the differences?

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/received-my-new-cpr-playfield-today#post-2006952

I hadn't heard there were insert differences; but given other claiming that there were different kinds of inserts used; I can't really complain.
I've seen most inserts either yellow or white... so as long as they do one or the other; I'm ok with it.