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This is now my go to for reasons I can’t mention. I am going to change my location to Texas and see what happens.
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Check back in a year or so all of the nothing to be concerned about crowd. I hope you’re right!
I wonder why the prez signed a 8.5 billion dollar aid package for Coronavirus?
Ok. Couple days ago, none in Colorado...then some guy up skiing that flew in from Italy, then a guy from a cruise, then a lady from another cruise...NOW a parent from the school near my kid’s school, they closed early today...that parents kids hang with a kid from my kids school...JACKPOT.
From none to less than a Kevin Bacon away from my family. WTF?
Mainly because I am picturing the schools closed and my kids all being home for god knows how long...that and a bunch of kid’s grandparents getting seriously ill
Quoted from cottonm4:Means you get to keep it all in the family
Man, I was thinking we were weeks away from anything as nutty as school closings. Bam! Literally out of the blue on our doorstep...
Wait until they start testing. Old ebola czar was saying job one would be testing every pneumonia patient like yesterday...healthcare workers probably exposed now.
Yeah, the economy is toast...they will have to do a stimulus like Bush did when he sent every taxpayer $600? or whatever.
Amid a coronavirus outbreak in the United States, the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is encouraging older people and people with severe chronic medical conditions to "stay at home as much as possible."
Quoted from chad:Oblabla's
President Bush on Wednesday signed the Economic Stimulus Act of 2008, calling it a "booster shot" for the American economy.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_Stimulus_Act_of_2008
Maybe you’re thinking of automotive bailout?
Quoted from chad:More
Read through it and I could of swore it was out under the 2009 administration.
Were you a taxpayer at that time? Everyone remembers Bush sending out the $300 and $600 checks.
Anyway, the economy is going to tank and nothing spends like money. I had my doubts when Bush did it but studies since have shown people actually used the cash and it had a temporary boost effect. I’m thinking we’ll need that even more pretty soon.
Quoted from okayestpinballer:Early data suggest older people are twice as likely to have serious COVID-19 illness.
Wonder what final numbers will look like. I am seeing several deaths of people in their 50’s reported from this, which I had not considered older...
Quoted from pinmike:This whole corona virus is a bunch of bullshit.
What part? How so?
Are you concerned? It was bullshit 1 post ago?
Quoted from pinmike:It seems to me you want to cash in on this BS than worrying about people’s health
Quoted from pinmike:Very simple look at were they say the outbreak happened in China.Its part of China where majority of our ingredients for medication comes from to the U.S.
So, let me get this straight, the pandemic was created on purpose to cause a drug shortage and drive up prices?
Quoted from pinmike:shit tactics they used during every outbreak
Take that to it’s logical end. What how why? Detailed.
The virus has no cure, no vaccine, no drug treatment. The economy will tank, the vaccine will be ready in a year or 2 at earliest. How does this benefit anyone?
Quoted from pinmike:They will have something very soon you watch,
I hope so but still think it’s impossible that this was done with a long game profit motive.
Quoted from pinmike:trolling
Nobody’s trolling you...just looking for some evidence.
You realize the outbreaks ended with containment and a vaccine essentially? They solve it medically...they haven’t had time to do that yet. It will end with a vaccine that’s incorporated in to yearly flu shots and we’re back to anti vaxxers etc. It’s the lag period that people are concerned about.
The other school shut early. CDC says if they sanitize the whole school they are good. The family from that school definitely has it and are quarantined. My kids head of school says today that the rumor that kids from quarantine family and our school hanging in last few days is false. Hopefully that’s the case.
They are saying the parent that has it hadn’t been on campus recently. I am a bit fuzzy on the status of their kids...they had to be on campus so maybe they tested negative so far?
They are sending emails/texts with updates daily with all the goings on and precautions. So as of today, we’re a go for launch on Monday!
Italy Sets Mandatory Quarantine For 16 Million People In Region Including Milan, Venice
Weddings and funerals would also be banned; movie theaters, gyms and bars would be shut down until April 3.
Quoted from Pinmeister:Source may be questionable
Unfortunately yes
I think you might have bigger problems if you have enough “hard alcohol “ coursing through your veins to kill a virus. Probably die of liver failure first.
Quoted from Mike_J:It’s a serious virus that the vast majority of U.S. citizens will not contract.
Low end estimates are 40%.
This sounds nice, right?
“ The new coronavirus causes little more than a cough if it stays in the nose and throat, which it does for the majority of people unlucky enough to be infected. Danger starts when it reaches the lungs.
One in seven patients develops difficulty breathing and other severe complications, while 6% become critical. These patients typically suffer failure of the respiratory and other vital systems, and sometimes develop septic shock, according to a report by last month’s joint World Health Organization-China mission.
The progression from mild or moderate to severe can occur “very, very quickly,” said Bruce Aylward, a WHO assistant director-general who co-led a mission in China that reviewed data from 56,000 cases.“
Being clever and flippant is great. I hope you’re not in the 40% and if you are I hope it doesn’t get in your lungs.
Quoted from cottonm4:How many kids and how many parents in that school? What about the teachers and their families ?
That school staying closed for 2 more days at least for cleaning.
Another separate HS has 2 students in self quarantine because they were exposed to a positive person. No sign of infection though
Quoted from Honch:How are the local stores in your area? Is panic buying in full swing yet?
I don’t go to the big box stores so not sure. Amazon local delivery has limited items and quantities available if that’s any sign! I get all my big stuff automatically delivered from them.
Quoted from TheFamilyArcade:I’ve been reading some sobering articles in the Atlantic today. The US was really cavalier in their preparation for this. We are flat out not ready to absorb the full impact of a mass infection. It’s really kind of shameful. I hope it doesn’t come to pass
Weeks late and still sending mixed nonsense messages. Small example, go ahead and dock 3,500 people...we’re not sure yet where you will be quarantined though
The jet set crowd in Aspen may have it:
CDPHE said it was aware of a confirmed COVID-19 case in Australia with ties to the Aspen community. One woman in her 20s who was visiting Aspen returned home to Australia earlier this week, where she tested positive. The woman had contact with Aspen residents and visitors at social gatherings, CDPHE said.
Quoted from cottonm4:Last week The Fed cut interest rates 1/2 point in a panic move.
That was a panic move by (Removed for self preservation) ...bad decision
That Bush stimulus is looking more and more likely I think
Quoted from CrazyLevi:save us!
From what? It's a hoax. Italy is closing half it's country because they watch too much CNN. (Removed for self preservation). Total overblown media hype. Bada BOOM!
What is it with toilet paper? I don’t get it. Is it manufactured in China and there’s a fear of shortage?
Quoted from okayestpinballer:Baby wipes work better than dry TP.
Don’t flush ‘em though! Mess up your pipes
Quoted from cottonm4:I went shopping this morning. Plenty of TP here. There is even a pallet in the middle of the aisle.
the initial wave of corona-related gi problems must have subsided...thank goodness
Quoted from mcluvin:2-week mandatory quarantine for all arrivals to Israel now.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-51809818
"They will have to prove they had adequate accommodation to be quarantined during their stay in the country."
This is a whole new airbnb category...
So, Israel is effectively turning off tourism. Not sure how big that industry is there but nobody is booking a vacation or even a business trip to Israel now.
Quoted from roffels:It's a pretty big deal. Imagine booking a trip to go see the Holy Land, only to get there and be quarantined.
I hope they communicate it to the airlines/travel sites. That would be a huge bummer if you fly there not knowing.
All of Italy?
Mr Conte described the measures as "I stay home" - with people forbidden to assemble in public.
"No more nightlife; we can't allow this anymore since they are occasions for contagion," he said.
The restrictions are similar to those earlier applied to the worst affected Lombardy region, and 14 other provinces.
The government has said only those with a valid work or family reason that cannot be postponed will be permitted to travel.
Quoted from Oaken:Guesstimate on actual infections in Iran. Not looking too good for them.
Our government taking a similar approach with high ranking officials...hope it turns out better for us.
Heckuva job Azar from HHS told CNN they have no way to know how many people have been tested. They are currently working out some system that labs can use to report to CDC.
Nothing to worry about. They are all over it. Rest easy.
Quoted from pinzrfun:have lots of toilet paper
Why wouldn’t people hoard kleenex? Why tp? It’s a respiratory virus not gi.
Cross posting this from prez former security guy:
In an op-ed published by The Washington Post on Monday, Bossert also stated, “officials must pull the trigger on aggressive interventions,” later adding, “Aggressive interventions put off and ease the peak burden on hospitals and other health-care infrastructure.”
“We are 10 days from the hospitals getting creamed.”
Bossert specifically suggesting that “School closures, isolation of the sick, home quarantines of those who have come into contact with the sick, social distancing, telework and large-gathering cancellations must be implemented before the spread of the disease in any community reaches 1 percent.”
Quoted from TheFamilyArcade:He is 45 and has an underlying heart condition. He’s in a medically induced coma on a ventilator. Not good.
That’s some bad news. Hope he pulls through.
Kid’s school goes on 2 weeks spring break this Friday. My prediction, that’s it for going to school this year. They all had to confirm wifi access for “potential” online learning. If they do go back after spring break, I see a 100% chance that someone brings it back to school after traveling.
Quoted from adborto:I’m leaning towards doing that as well. I’d rather be cautious about this.
Yeah, that’s why I wish they’d just call it already. I’m pretty sure it’s going to come to that anyway.
I’d be more cavalier about it if I didn’t have young kids while at the same time being an oldish guy...I don’t want to kick it and leave them hanging.
Quoted from Wickerman2:The jet set crowd in Aspen may have it:
CDPHE said it was aware of a confirmed COVID-19 case in Australia with ties to the Aspen community. One woman in her 20s who was visiting Aspen returned home to Australia earlier this week, where she tested positive. The woman had contact with Aspen residents and visitors at social gatherings, CDPHE said.
So she hung out with 18 people in Aspen, they put them in quarantine. 13 of them have tested positive.
Quoted from arcademojo:Or can you catch it just by standing close to someone?
I wonder if she gave it 2-3, then they gave it to 2-3...sounds like a group traveling together.
Neighborhood Elementary is closed today. Parent tested positive, interviewing everyone to see who was in contact. My kids go to next school over. It’s closing in! Wish they’d hit the eject button and get it over with.
I read an estimate of an 8 week shut down would effectively stop this thing. I’m down with an 8 week chill out. This is what governments are for, dealing with societal crisis.
Quoted from Wolfmarsh:Shut down of what?
Schools, public events, sports, any unnecessary travel, the whole deal. Pull an Italy was the gist of it. Quarantine in place, let cases resolve.
When should you get tested?
Wife flew on several flights in last week to East coast. She now has a fever and fatigue, no cough.
Called Doctor, they said call health dept. Called health dept, get a recording and then a hang up.
There’s a drive up testing but you need Doctor authorization.
“If you’re sick, stay home”. OK. Do I quarantine? What about my family? Co-workers?
Seems impossible to get tested unless you have 1 foot in the grave. Meanwhile you interact with your family, kids go to school ... probably nothing but this seems like an example of why this is spreading.
Quoted from Who-Dey:Why???
Lol...it seems like a long time ago but waaay back then, there were only cases in CA/West coast. We both thought it’d be fine. Her job requires in person meetings with State government officials around the Country.
Now, a week later, it’s coast to coast. This is why I wish they had the balls to recommend limit travel and go hard at this.
So she’s sick, who knows? Flu, random fever, other virus, corona....apparently the kids, myself, co-workers just have to go on with life and hope it’s nothing!
Great plan USA....see also: Italy.
Quoted from Wolfmarsh:A local teacher was quarantined and is now sick, yet sent her kids to school during her quarantine. Parents are not happy.
That’s for sure crazy.
I’m just puzzled. What do you do if you have a fever? We want a test and can’t get it. Of course we haven’t been to China! You know who else hasn’t been there? A bunch of other people with the virus. Insanity.
Quoted from Xenon75:Testing will only say yes or no, it will still be up to you/her to overcome it.
I am more concerned with my kids spreading it to 2 different schools...co-workers spreading it god knows where etc. That’s what a test will stop. Everyone getting it right now and slamming the healthcare system....also dying etc
94,000 cases, 50,000 recovered...not sure those numbers mean much. That would mean 44,000 haven’t recovered which seems high. Of the 50,000 we don’t know the severity of each case either.
Local news just did a fact check on that stupid doctors office white board meme...100% false. All the years wrong, covid facts wrong...apparently adapted from a tweet by a radio host.
And now, just got the email from my kids elementary school. Parent/family from school has been exposed to a positive person. They are in 14 day quarantine. Somehow they don’t qualify for a test either....yet they are 100% sure they were exposed.
Not sure what course of action to take here.
Quoted from mcluvin:If you can do it, I'd consider keeping the kids home for a week or 2. Once it gets in the school, it's gonna spread.
I’m actually trying not to overreact but I’m getting sort of pissed in general. 2 Elementary schools in my hood, 1 closed this morning and then our school announcing exposure this afternoon? WTF? Nobody can get tested?!
I am probably going to keep my son home tomorrow...though it’d be nice to know if my wife has it! I disinfected the house as best I could.
Quoted from NY2Colorado:With housing costs at all time highs, this will crush a lot of people.
They gotta do something beyond a friggin payroll tax cut
Quoted from Xenon75:ramifications of shutting everything down for a period of time
This is shutting down NON-essentials...nobody is saying walk away from the nuclear reactor . We need to slow it.
School is going to give parents info on what to do if we “choose” to keep our kids home later today.
Every pandemic movie/book I’ve checked out—a lot, I love those—always have a room, usually at the CDC filled with people staring at screens and talking to every state, telling them what to do. I wish movie pandemic were happening.
Quoted from okayestpinballer:What the hell happened there?
I think they requested covid testing and were denied and in the interim it spread. All this shit is the tests. South Korea has 200,000 tests for fuksake.
Quoted from Isochronic_Frost:How could you think 200k would even be enough for 50 million people...?
I didn’t think that. Several factors here, the speed of the testing, the availability of testing. S. Korea doesn’t have 50 million people suspected of having virus, we don’t have 300 million suspected.
We have tested maybe 7000 people. Look at the numbers for korea, taiwan etc. they have their shit together.
If you are in korea, taiwan etc. and have a fever and have traveled sure as shit 1 of those 200,000 tests is available for you.
Here’s what’s happening in the USA. Listen closely, unless you prove you have direct contact with a known covid person YOU WILL NOT GET TESTED. Emergency rooms have people come in with the symptoms, NO TESTS, so what do they do? They test for strep, run mass viral panels, pneumonia....they have to rule out EVERYTHING ELSE and THEN they can “request “ test from CDC.
What I have described is happening in many areas of the Country.
Do you understand ?
The ER’s are sending these people home while they request the test. Doctors refer you to health dept who won’t test unless you fit their narrow definition.
We are sending sick people in to our communities.
Get it?
PS the US said we’d have a million tests at the end of LAST WEEK. They are full of shit. Do not believe it.
Just look in to it a bit, honestly. We tried all day to get a test. It’s impossible.
Do you understand how the disease spreads?
We knew about this since January and MARCH 11 we are ramping up our testing?
This is how community spread happens. I think you’re missing the basic logic the disease and epidemiology experts are giving us.
Did you see the government’s lead Doctor on this testify today? Dr. Fauci? Would you believe him?
It’s not fear mongering to state obvious facts. This crap has been allowed to spread. It was in a small area on the west coast and now both Elementary schools in my hood have parents with it.
If a dangerous disease is spreading, wouldn’t you want to test people quickly with symptoms? Wouldn’t that prevent spread?
Dr. Fauci, governments main guy explained this is at least 10x more deadly than the flu.
Quoted from Isochronic_Frost:Unless you’re elderly you’re better off just staying home and riding out the symptoms, and that’s coming from the infectious disease specialists.
Ok. Do you keep your kids home? Do you keep your spouse home? Do you tell your coworkers? Do you tell your school.
If only there were some way to be sure.....I don’t know, like a TEST!
Quoted from LukyDuck:South Korea has TESTED more than 200,000 people. The US has only tested 7,000.
Thanks. I’m flabbergasted that even this has to be a red vs blue Team War! For Christsakes ALL Grannies are in danger, not just certain ones.
Quoted from arcademojo:Then stop trying to make it one.
I know some of you just can't help trying to politicize this.
When? Where? If our current governments response is slow and incoherent, it’s slow and incoherent! I don’t care who is running the show. I’m complaining. I don’t get to at least complain? You can’t get a test and you can’t complain about it? Tough shit. I will continue until they get their shit together. Sorry if that hurts anyone’s feelings...not intended to.
Quoted from arcademojo:Tom Hanks, Rita Wilson Test Positive for Coronavirus It's True.
I said wow HE gets a test...turns out he’s in Australia
Quoted from CrazyLevi:Earlier tonight I heard it’s super unlikely you or anybody you know will get it.
Quoted from swampfire:to stop modeling the Democratic primary, and switch his talents over to this epidemic. Big data ought to be able to tell us what the range of outcomes might be.
CDC so far has not released its numbers
They also, just yesterday said they were still coming up with an IT solution for private labs to give them data...
Quoted from vex:I hope you guys get test kits soon.
Me too.
Just completed the wifi speed survey for 1 of my kids to do online school...they are done going after this week.
Pulling other kid from different school probably tomorrow...parent there had contact with positive person.
Homeschooling! Great 
Quoted from canea:First confirmed case in Wyoming, in the county I live in. Thought we were safe out here... not so much it appears...
Probably some asshole from Denver...
Quoted from arcademojo:my daughters school
One potential problem is my kids are already past me in math skills...I am literally zero help to them. I ask Alexa and the google half the stuff they run by me.
Quoted from Isochronic_Frost:Then flood the hospital and infect everyone else so you get sent back home and have NOTHING HAPPEN. I
Stop setting up arguments for yourself to win. Nobody said that, you silly guy.
Quoted from Isochronic_Frost:“I WAS ON A PLANE RIDE TO THE EAST COAST I CLEARLY HAVE IT!!!
If you have a problem send me a pm because you are lying.
Wanting a test when you have a fever and symptoms of covid is not overreacting. Tests are available at multiple locations IF you can get approval. Nobody said I am running to the hospital etc.
You are making shit up.
You don’t know what the fuck you are talking about and it’s insulting and rude.
Quoted from Trekkie1978:The other thing they wrote, is to constantly drink water. They said by constantly drinking water, if the virus is in your mouth, you'll wash it down to the stomach where it will get killed.
I hope a real insurance company didn’t write that, it’s a hoax:
Quoted from Trekkie1978:I said the media was creating a panic when one wasn’t necessary.
Is it necessary yet? Panic is never good, but serious concern seems prudent. Ramp up testing, ramp up testing, ramp up testing. It will spread more if people are unaware they have it
Wonder why this hasn’t been declared a national emergency. What was the last thing we declared a national emergency over?
Quoted from Boat:Hey all,
Do you think my friends husband sisters nephews little league game on saturday will be cancelled because of covid? Should I start my own thread and poll for this???
Good one.
B10 tournament done, NBA done, NCAA likely done, colleges going to online learning, schools cancelling events and sports seasons, somehow pinball tournaments think they are immune.....
Is it time to have a little educated panic? Not screaming in the streets but serious concern type panic.
Look back 1 week. I said back then to naysayers, just wait a month and talk shit...I was wrong!
Wife “isolated” in our house, still with fever, Dr/Health Dept say no test.
Using up my pinball supply of 98% alcohol sanitizing the house.
Quoted from mcluvin:Sam's is still giving out food samples if you can believe that.
WTF!?
Quoted from CrazyLevi:These idiots are completely making this up as they go along and nobody can trust anything being said.
That hostage video last night didn’t convince you?!
Quoted from LukyDuck:The US has now tested 11,000 people. That is equal to the amount S. Korea is testing per day.
I’m confused, I heard Mr. Pence say that anybody that wants one can get one...said that days ago so you’re obviously wrong.
Quoted from mcluvin:Can I still fly to Korea?
That’s what I was thinking when I heard Hanks got a test in Australia...might be quicker to fly there and get in line.
Quoted from vex:We do 1000 tests a day in the Vancouver area with a 24 hour turnaround that will be reduced to 6 hours in the near future. But we're hobbled by having a 100% free medical care, far inferior to private I guess.
I was reading about Taiwans response too. They are on it.
Quoted from Who-Dey:How does Sam's giving out free food samples put people in danger of getting the coronavirus? Serious question.....not trying to be a smartass.
Social distancing is a main recommendation. Food samples not only get you close, you contact an area that multiple people contact over and over....like a flipper button at TPF
Quoted from o-din:Alaska is looking pretty safe right now. Maybe this shit don't like the freezing cold.
Biggest group in CO is in the high country thanks to an Australian group in Aspen...Australians! Am I right?
Quoted from mcluvin:I'm thinking your average country in Africa probably does even less Coronavirus testing than the US. I could be wrong though...
Quoted from o-din:How much does the summer olympics usually generate?
I thought that was a net loser for host city, not sure on the rest
What’s a billion here or there out of the economy. I was listening to a renowned financial expert that this is a hoax and shits going to take off like a rocket in few months. Also, I might have been called an idiot.
Quoted from PinRob:PM me if you need a store to buy toilet paper at (found one today), because everyone went nuts and has bought most all the stores out.
We’ve come to this? Instead of tell me your distributor for stern pros, TP? Apocalypse.
Quoted from Who-Dey:. I really just gotta wonder if I had that or not.
Sell your antibodies in the marketplace!
Wish I were closer!
GLWS
Quoted from cottonm4:this virus testing will be free.
Wish we had tests. Wife is up to 103 temp and Dr says stay home, no test...WTF? Not looking forward to the next few days to see if any of kids get it or myself. Hoping it’s “just” the normal flu.
Quoted from Honch:Its ridiculous,
I want to know if we have been exposed and if we have to tell work and friends/school....I’m no genius but that would help slow the spread if it turns positive. As it is we’re in limbo, family will stay home now.
Hoping for the flu!
Quoted from Atari_Daze:story with a positive slant for a change
Then there’s the story about China reporting some people that recover lose 30% lung capacity and wheeze when walking fast...hopefully that’s minimal
Just like flu though!
Quoted from cottonm4:Will the US or any other countries have the gonads to follow China and Italy?
So far, no. Reports that someone didn’t want widespread testing because that would make numbers go up and look bad. I think real world events beyond government messaging, ie NBA players, celebrities, has kicked local communities in to a higher gear. That should’ve come from CDC a month ago. So, we play catch-up and hope for the best.
Lots of stories about Spanish flu. Apparently, in a similar fashion that hit in Spring, died back, then October killed tons...so beware the 2nd wave of this thing. Don’t get complacent over the summer.
Heard an economist endorse my plan from last week: give everyone check for $1000 to stave off total financial collapse. He first agreed with my $1000 and said after what that speech did to the Dow, likely need more than $1000. It was not a pinside member, to be clear...actual economics expert.
Quoted from LukyDuck:New research suggests symptoms do not show up for 5 days.
How contagious are you during those 5 days? That could be impossible to stop. Shut down, get inside and don’t answer the door! Yikes
Maybe good news:
People are thought to be most contagious when they become symptomatic because the virus is typically spread when someone coughs or sneezes, according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
If we believe CDC, I want to...
Colorado: 72 positive, Eight people are hospitalized due to the coronavirus, three of them are in critical condition
Hard not to when most states already have. Better late than never! Zero chance he is not infected by the way.
He’s like 80! Half the government is in the high risk group and aren’t following quarantine guidelines! Crazy
Quoted from TheFamilyArcade:Dude, what was up with that Post Malone concert last night?
Well, this is the mentality:
“You can’t have the coronavirus destroy your whole life. Go out, have fun. Live every day like it’s your last," she said.
SO, to review, live, die, whatev’s
Quoted from Who-Dey:You're obsessed with this.
Not really. Just providing info. I am forced to home school the kids because of this hoax. Nothing better to do! You might want a breather to go grab a case of TP no?
I guess you can call it what you want though. Colorado state of emergency, Denver state of emergency, schools closed, wife has had fever for 3 days but we can’t get in anywhere to check it out so we’re in a half assed quarantine until we see if we all get sick...so I guess I’m heavily concerned? Severely interested? Just want to keep on top of things.
Quoted from Mike_J:When was your children’s school closed down?
Elementary kid home for 2 days, middle school home today...and now on for the “3 weeks” that everything seems to think is a magic number
Quoted from arcademojo:denial
Yeah, really need everyone on board to make it work semi quickly.
We are on our own. That’s what I get from this week. I’ve watched all the pandemic movies, now it finally has a real world use.
Quoted from TheFamilyArcade:Jorge was extremely glib and dismissive in another thread about his cruise and “fear”.
He apologized for that I think. Who can blame him with all the mixed messages and flat out lies coming from government. Scientists and Doctors say one thing and then a tweet claims it’s a hoax and will go away.
People are way off the deep end if they still believe that nonsense.
And anybody thinks all these “3 week” closures are actually 3 weeks, I have some TP to sell you.
Quoted from dsmoke1986:think this thing has been here for months;
They dna/rna tested strains in Washington showed it was here longer than they thought. So people were likely sick with it and undiagnosed (still). Pneumonia/flu etc could have been covid:
Quoted from YZRider926:My wife is an RN and she found out yesterday that her floor is one of the designated floors that will have patients that tested positive with the virus. Tonight is the first time she’ll be going to work since they’ve had patients on her floor.
Hopefully she won’t catch it and bring it home.
Tell her thanks. She should be getting hazard pay. Appreciate healthcare workers...they are as undervalued as teachers.
Quoted from DBLM:if I can help others in my community than that is me doing my part
Nice job. Good to hear people stepping up. We’re in the I guess we should quarantine since we can’t see doctor? stage so I am staying away from the neighbors. My kids are already driving me crazy.
Quoted from Paul_from_Gilroy:2500 cases
Colorado governor says over a 1000 here alone. Total US has to be 10’s of thousands at least
Italy, now Spain and France closed. How long before US faces reality?
France has become the latest country to go into coronavirus lockdown, with government ministers ordering the closure of shops, cinemas, restaurants and cafés for the foreseeable future.
Citizens have been asked to go out as little as possible, while all non-essential locations will be closed.
Quoted from cottonm4:corn cobs
That had to be for something else...you mean corn husks?
Quoted from cottonm4:Nope. Corn cobs.
Grew up on a small farm, had a couple acres of corn, never used it that way...
Quoted from CrazyLevi:My takeaway over the last few days is that we should be in an Italy style lockdown NOW, not in 2 weeks.
Or 2 weeks ago. With the dimwitted reaction time up top we’re toast.
Quoted from Spencer:There is no way to enforce
In Italy, they put cops around town and give a warning/ticket/jail...they haven’t put any in jail yet
Quoted from arcademojo:And do you really want that here in the US??
Nobody wants any of it anywhere but if people do dumb shit that gets people killed...Put up with some pain for a short time or have shit go to hell for longer.
We had what 2 cases in Colorado last week, now we’re over 100... and that’s with severly limited testing.
This thing is going to blow up big time so prepare for more crazy shit like mandatory shutdowns. It’s not far off.
Quoted from arcademojo:went out to pick up some supplies this evening. All the roads were deserted.
There was a Post Malone concert at Pepsi Center night before last...people will keep on spreading it if you leave it entirely up to them.
Quoted from cooked71:let it run its course with no restrictions-
That’s the spike model where hospitals are overwhelmed and they choose who lives and dies. Bad idea.
Here’s an interesting look at a lockdown of USA:
Quoted from arcademojo:All public gathering places need to be shut down but to go as far as imposing martial law with a mandatory quarantine I would be would be against that.
Sounds like pharmacy, grocery, things like that stay open, everything else closed...so “semi-martial law” I guess.
City after city will be shutting it down by the end of next week. Do it now. Pull the bandaid quick, get it over with.
Quoted from arcademojo:Us grocery employees will be rubbing elbows with every person coming into the store with nothing but latex gloves
Too late to install more self checkouts? That’s a bummer.
Quoted from dirkdiggler:Haven't seen it everywhere yet but yesterday there was a lady standing in the self checkout at Walmart wiping the pinpad and screen after every person went thru. At superstore they actually stopped the line every couple people to wipe the conveyor belt and pinpad.
Ski lifts out here were only letting singles and travel companions ride lift together. Lines were super long.
Then they shut down all the mountains altogether....only our #1 tourist industry.
Then we had st patty’s parade cancelled, yet the irish-ish bars were packed with 20 somethings. Packed.
He knows this is in for the long haul, they all need to get on his script:
Anthony Fauci, one of the top U.S. health officials leading the country’s response to the coronavirus, urged Americans on Sunday to “hunker down significantly more” as the virus continues to spread across the country.
“Whatever it takes to do that, that’s what I’d like to see,” Fauci, a medical doctor, said during an appearance on CNN’s “State of the Union,” adding that elderly and immunocompromised individuals are not the only people at risk.
“Younger people should be concerned for two reasons: You are not immune or safe from getting seriously ill,” he said. “So protect yourself. But remember: You could also be a vector or a carrier. ... That’s why everybody’s got to take this seriously.”
Earlier Sunday, Fauci told NBC’s “Meet the Press” that he would prefer the U.S. be “overly aggressive and get criticized for overreacting” rather than see the spread of the virus continue to jump.
Fauci said it could take “several weeks to a few months” for life to return to “normal” across the country.
Cruise industry probably getting killed from this: coastal/port areas maybe government contracts for cruise ships to use as quarantine zones? They are already floating death traps, why not put medical people on there and make it their purpose?
Forgot about that hospital ship...where’s that thing now?
King County WA bought a motel for quarantine space...US gov should buy up a few cruise ships.
Quoted from o-din:The China Syndrome last night. Seemed appropriate.
War for the Planet of the Apes last night. Watching for signs of the virus eliminating speech and making chimps smarter.
Quoted from mcluvin:infects dogs
I thought they determined they could get it but it didn’t do anything to them and they can’t transmit it...well, other than someone with Captain Trips coughing on fur and then you touch fur.
Quoted from o-din:friends bring their dogs over for the time being.
Wife is in quarantine in basement, dog keeps visiting her...I wipe him down when comes up stairs...he now appears to hate me and runs away when I look at him 
Quoted from OLDPINGUY:Rats are worried
Stockpiling! Think of the other rats you heartless bastard!
Quoted from CrazyLevi:Cheers Mayor DeBlasio!
Beat to the punch by Ohio, but better late than never!
Meanwhile the CDC recommends against gatherings of 50+. Seems a little high, no?
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Grocery stores gonna get hit now?
Quoted from Adipocere:The average age of those dying there is 81.
They missed the window early...sort of like we are, so they had a spike in cases, not enough hospital beds=critical patients die.
Scary thing is USA has fewer beds per person than Italy.
“Flatten the curve”
Quoted from Extraballz:12,469
That’s with a .02 mortality rate, covid may come out at 1% or higher. Hope don’t get 60 million cases!
Quoted from FYMF:What exactly are you stating is ridiculous?
Probably referring to incomplete code
Quoted from LukyDuck:DOW tanked and shut down within 60 seconds. Not good
Down 10%? Ouch.
Quoted from MSLONEKER:this virus can't tolerate heat or humidity. summer is on the way.
Incorrect unfortunately
Summer should decrease cases just as it decreases cases of anything because of spacing of people, schools out etc but heat has nothing to do with it
Quoted from JodyG:Presidential press conference at 3:30
Can we have one with JUST that Fauci guy? The rest of them have questionable credibility.
It will be an announcement of another half measure that should have happened 4 weeks ago followed by contradictory statements and tweets creating further confusion and clarification announcements.
Thank you State governors.
1st paragraph:
Research from a laboratory-grown copy of the coronavirus (SARS-CoV-2) that causes the COVID-19 illness shows that heat affects the virus and impacts its behavior, a top pathologist said new research has shown. But other infectious disease experts aren't yet convinced.
And:
Nicholls and colleagues from a team at Sun Yat-sen University in Guangzhou, China, previously produced a study, which was published in February and has yet to be peer-reviewed, noting the effect of heat.
Let’s not celebrate just yet...
Saw my first guy in mask.
Also heard Mitt Romney is on board with my plan of 2 weeks ago...send out the $1000 checks
Buy stock in ventilators, the feds just told all the State govs to try and get them on your own...so it’s a vent competition state vs state. Like a horrible reality show.
Quoted from o-din:just hope it skips gen-x. They so far seem like the most selfish, self centered bunch.
Aren’t you gen-x ?
Researchers and popular media typically use birth years around 1965 to 1980 to define Generation Xers, although some sources use birth years beginning as early as 1960 and ending somewhere from 1977 to 1984
Well, in terms of my pinside response to this crisis, I’d give myself a 10. Not to brag, but I’ve been perfect. Moderators may not agree but it’s a 10.
Quoted from CrazyLevi:I mean you just have to be honest and frank sometimes. Really 11 out of 10 probably more accurate.
THANK You...it’s even more legit when other people say it
In January, German scientists developed the first test for COVID-19 and the World Health Organization offered the test to countries around the world and 60 countries accepted. We were not one of them.
Quoted from arcademojo:Us grocery employees will be rubbing elbows with every person coming into the store with nothing but latex gloves
Congressman Khanna talking stimulus packages said he’d like to see 50% bonus hazard pay for at risk professionals including GROCERY CLERKS
I remember the day I was kicked out of my first Coronavirus thread...nothing like that feeling. Chills.
We might have a Washington State type situation coming:
Colorado’s first death was an 80 year old lady from the Springs area. Before knowing she was “really” sick she attended a Bridge tournament down there with 284 people of the same demographic. 1 person has already tested positive. They are trying to track down all of them.
“An alert has been issued for anyone who played at the Colorado Bridge Center in El Paso County between February 27 and March 3 - but especially in a tournament on February 29 and March 1 - to contact officials over fears they might be infected.
At least one person who attended the center has already tested positive for the virus, while two more have been hospitalized with symptoms.
John Dukellis, a director of the center who is self-isolating over fears he may have the illness, said at least 284 people - 98 per cent of whom are over the age of 60 - attended the tournmanet and are now at risk.
'This group is going to be hard hit,' Dukellis told The Denver Post. 'This is just the beginning.'
It is thought the woman had some symptoms at the time she attended the tournament, but not ones that she was concerned about.”
Quoted from MSLONEKER:american exceptionalism
We all love America, and at the same time we can want it to do better. Allegiance to Country without critical thinking is dangerous. Take an objective view of the world and be honest.
We can also love the rest of the world. We are all human regardless of Country label.
Quoted from PiperPinball:Your chances of getting in an accident on the way to work are higher than contracting the COVID.
That’s nonsense, no offense.
Quoted from PiperPinball:Take all the current cases
Testing testing testing
66AECEB0-9D26-4398-BC6F-806DABD9C14F (resized).jpegQuoted from romulusx:political
Government is our response team. Government is filled with political people...
Anybody see Gov Cuomo making the case for the Army Corps to build hospital capacity? Explained why we would never have extra beds in our for profit healthcare system really well.
Honestly wish the twitter feud would stop and admit he makes a great point. Deploy the corps to save lives? WTF is he waiting for??
FYI He used emergency authority a year ago to enlist the Army Corps to supervise construction of expanded barriers along the U.S.-Mexico border.
Quoted from JodyG:update
This is a more recent article, cannot tell if numbers are latest. Look like it.
0135E63F-A335-4B8B-B5AD-C6FB8AB0DC88 (resized).pngB2065A00-3068-44EC-91BF-DA1C5D92BE0F (resized).pngQuoted from MSLONEKER:Not sure about all americans loving america
It’s when you attempt to have a specific definition of this that you get in trouble. Your definition of loving America isn’t the last word on it.
Quoted from LukyDuck:For those that think this is not a big deal, I suggest you do a little more reading...
Estimating Risk for Death from 2019 Novel Coronavirus Disease, China, January–February 2020 - Author affiliations: Georgia State University, Atlanta, Georgia, USA (K. Mizumoto, G. Chowell); Kyoto University, Kyoto, Japan (K. Mizumoto)
"In conclusion, our estimates of the risk for death from COVID-19 in China as of February 11, 2020, were as high as 12% in the epicenter of the epidemic and as low as ≈1% in the less severely affected areas in China. Because the risk for death from COVID-19 is probably associated with a breakdown of the healthcare system in the absence of pharmaceutical interventions (i.e., vaccination and antiviral drugs), enhanced public health interventions (including social distancing measures, quarantine, enhanced infection control in healthcare settings, and movement restrictions), as well as enhanced hygienic measures in the general population and an increase in healthcare system capacity, should be implemented to rapidly contain the epidemic."
https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/6/20-0233_article
Right, your risk of death when you need a ventilator bed and there are no beds may be as high as 100%.
That’s why that idea Cuomo had about Army Corps needs to start ASAP
Gaslighting
Definition:
“I've always known this is real. This is a pandemic,” “I felt it was a pandemic long before it was called a pandemic."
It was calm and measured in here for a bit and then all the sudden angry. I personally think there are good people on both sides, both sides some very fine people.
You wash your hands or sanitize after the interaction. Throw out packaging, wash your hands/sanitize. Clean off things that come from other people. Not rocket surgery.
Quoted from Blitzburgh99:When the cook has it and sneezes on your food?
Just saw this addressed in an interview. You can ingest it and it’s harmless to your gi system.
Anything else you negative nelly?
Quoted from Jaybird815:It was civil earlier in the day.
Seems like it. Someone pops in starts spouting anti science talking points that were disproven 2 weeks ago just to troll and pick fights. This isn’t rocket surgery either.
Quoted from 2pupPinz:Canada US border is now closed
Finally stemming the tide of Canucks rushing to US to not get tested for virus.
Quoted from OLDPINGUY:What happens if I stand with one foot in each country at the border?
Do I explode?
Half of you gets the virus?
Quoted from 2pupPinz:Saw this yesterday, forecasting failures and unfitness
Of the 30 officials involved 3/4 have quit or been fired and apparently didn’t pass along any info they may or may not have absorbed. So sad.
Quoted from toastbot:"I don't take responsibility at all..."
(Someone on 3/13/2020)
That was me ***removed***.
I still don’t take responsibility though.
Quoted from Jaybird815:They’re now saying that the Government will be sending 2 $1000 checks to every American adult, pending congressional approval.
They need more. They gutted the sick leave coverage among other things. Go hard or go home
Quoted from miracleman:Virus Task Force Coordinator Dr. Deborah Brix said today millennials should be doing more to help control spread of the virus, because they know how to
"Look around corners and skip levels (in video games)"
She has not inspired me with confidence. Seems like a bit of a suck up. Some shit she said yesterday got called out by Doctor, said she was flat out lying.
I wish they’d stick Fauci out there more instead. He sticks to the science and leaves out the kiss ass
Unless you list a specific item, I’m just not on board with both side-ism either. To generalize, both side-ism, for example gives an equal platform to pure bunk like climate deniers. So, you’ll have the media saying this “side” SAYS this and this side SAYS this...in lots and lots and lots of cases there IS a factual truth. So instead of saying, all the science or Doctors say this and you are denying it, they present stuff as more or less equal opinion.
Not to fan panic flames but HHS and UK equivalent reports on crisis have been released and they predict a very bad outlook....much worse than either government is stating publicly.
Waves of outbreaks for 1-1.5 years, no real end in site until vaccine...they’ve lost too much time already. Very restrictive lockdowns for better part of a year are needed.
And:
“Supply chain and transportation impacts due to ongoing COVID-19 outbreak will likely result in significant shortages for government, private sector, and individual U.S. consumers.”
So, the TP nuts may have been on to something.
There are links to detailed government reports a couple posts up that will end speculation as to best estimates and choices.
Quoted from Kiwipinhead:some classics
None of those will age well...especially since they were a complete denial of reality/fantasy when they were typed. But, again we were the idiots that didn’t understand. Sad really.
Quoted from Murphdom:It is only officially day 3 of no school and my daughter asked to go back...
My kids were bored on day 2 I think. I do “homeschool” 9-12, then try and keep them busy the rest of the day. It’s a bummer. I told them a couple weeks back school would probably be cancelled. I haven’t told them that I’m also sure they are done for the year.
Quoted from OLDPINGUY:This will either explode
That’s a lock. Ship has sailed on getting it under control I’m afraid.
Make sure you’re stocked up on meds and your can’t live without items.
Quoted from dsmoke1986:Don't buy into panic or fear mongering, just stay hunkered down, wash your hands and control what you can control.
Depends on definition of buying in to panic. It is absolutely clear now that our botched response is tracking Italian response or worse. I’m not saying run around screaming or curl up in a corner but buy in to the need to be seriously prepared for all things to go to hell for a bit. Get ready now. This is a many many months problem at least, not weeks.
“ The first coronavirus case in the U.S. and South Korea was detected on the same day. By late January, Seoul had medical companies starting to work on a diagnostic test — one was approved a week later. Today, the U.S. isn’t even close to meeting test demand“
AND S. Korea now has essentially contained the virus...while we are Italy.
Ship has sailed but you can’t stress enough how bad our response was/is. Clusterf*ck
No productive point to these daily wh briefs on virus if you don’t change anything. Pence telling people to “avoid” things....no shit Sherlock. How about getting shut down industry to retool ASAP and make med supplies? Use Army corps to build hospital capacity...do some shit that will help. It’s like they have no clue what EXPONENTIAL means. As in, tomorrow is going to be worse, and next week is going to be much worse. Action people! Action!
Quoted from Atari_Daze:on the news
Luckily, the news doesn’t set policy, the government does. Although, I have read that *annity has direct line to the top and many of these cringe inducing “ideas” generated by him...so maybe media does set policy?
Who knows?
But, seriously, bold big, yuuuuuge, action. Listen to the epidemiology guys.
For all the don’t trust China posts...anybody notice Russia? I thought we were buds with Vlad now? What’s their secret? Talk about bs numbers!
“Governors are supposed to be doing a lot of this work,” he said. “The federal government’s not supposed to be out there buying vast amounts of items and then shipping. You know, we’re not a shipping clerk. We’ll help out wherever we can.”
Mf’er. Just what a mf’er
“ announcement on Wednesday that he had signed the Defense Production Act (DPA) as part of an effort to ramp up U.S. production of emergency medical supplies. On Thursday, he said he would only utilize the DPA if it should be absolutely needed.”
NEWSFLASH! IT IS ABSOLUTELY NEEDED. LIKE NOW BIFF.
Quoted from wolfemaaan:“You know you young people! Begone with youth, I’ve always been a 89 year old grumpy from Ohio even when I was 16”
I was an uninformed, sheltered, small town moron at that age. I imagine back then I would have possibly taken a similar view.
The world was a lot smaller 40 years ago though. Three TV networks and print news. I could give myself a pass on not realizing how serious something was to the planet.
Today? iPhones? Social media? 24/7 info? These kids are fucking morons...that Desantos guy is the bigger effing moron though for allowing this shit. We have idiots and zealots in charge in a lot of places...looking at you Texas and the other 5 states that haven’t restricted anything.
Quoted from Djshakes:I think the problem maybe that you find anyone that doesn't adhere to your philosophy is a moron, which is evident in a majority of your posts. Perhaps a little tolerance and understanding of other's perspectives may be helpful.
Respectfully, you’re way off. I don’t think anyone that doesn’t adhere to “my philosophy” is a moron. Again, you seem to ignore this in your responses, I am talking about a specific situation, a specific event, a specific set of measurable outcomes....I honestly have no idea what you are referring to. It seems like you are trying to say something but don’t actually want to say it? No idea. Be specific.
List of members of Congress that dumped stocks after a Coronavirus meeting is growing....it’d be awesome to have that kind of “insider” info. Is that legal? 
Quoted from titanpenguin:The virus has been here the last 3 months. The infection rate is not going up exponentially, only the numbers of those being tested. Yes the virus is spreading, but not at the rate of the positive tests.
What numbers are you talking about?
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