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#1951 80 days ago

This happened to me. I was on assignment in Philadelphia last February and got hit with a bad case of the flu. I ran out of food, and I was feeling better, so I walked to the grocery store 1 block away. I was careful not to sneeze or cough. I hated to do it, but I had no choice.

Quoted from cottonm4:

Some people don't have anybody to help them out during tough times. Spouse has died. No living family to call on (that's me). The old neighbor they made a pact with for hard time help has died. They have very little money and cannot afford delivery. They may not be able to stockpile food. If they want to eat they have no choice but to go to the store and buy what they need.

#1952 80 days ago

If sick people were given masks to wear it would help out the rest of us. Just hand theM out at the door to the supermarket.

Of course, there’s no masks.

#1953 80 days ago

DJshakes the count is a lagging indicator, for obvious reasons. I see people doing math where they divide deaths by total active cases. This doesn’t work, because it assumes that everyone who hasn’t died yet, won’t. It also assumes that quality of treatment is constant, and it may not be. Keep an eye on the total number of cases, and the current multiplier.

#1954 80 days ago
Quoted from okayestpinballer:

Using your critical thinking skills, how might a lethal virus that transfers from person to person, be different than a bug in computer code?

Hmmm,using my critical thinking?
Gee, As that why your an inactive member and unknown location??

#1955 80 days ago
Quoted from Rondogg:

Have faith people. There are/will be a tremendous amount of resources working for a cure. It won't be long before every biopharma and scientific group is working together to create a vaccine/treatment regime. There could not be a bigger financial incentive and the largest companies with the smartest people will figure it out.

This^^^
8 days ago I was at the tail end of a 3 week anxiety attack wondering how everyone can be so oblivious. Now that (most) everyone understands the reality I'm weirdly calm because it's the whole worlds problem and I'm confident that they're properly incentivized to figure this out.

#1956 80 days ago

Martin Shkreli and Elizabeth Holmes say a vaccine is imminent.

#1957 80 days ago

This is the first wave of this virus. I hope there isn’t a second come fall.

During the Spanish flu epidemic, it was the second wave that was far deadlier. I am not saying it will be this bad. But are people going to become complacent just in time for a potential second wave hits? Will there be any type of vaccine by then? I don’t think enough people are taking this seriously enough now.

Quote from the History Channel...

“ After subsiding over the summer, a second, even more powerful wave of influenza swept across the United States after two sailors in Boston contracted the illness. The flu quickly reached nearby military installations such as Camp Devens before spreading to civilian populations across the country.

Working 16 hours a day, Grist saw patients who arrived with coughs, sore throats and high fevers “very rapidly develop the most viscous type of pneumonia that has ever been seen.” Within hours, mahogany spots dotted soldiers’ cheeks before their faces turned such a dark shade of blue or purple from a lack of oxygen in their blood that Grist reported it became “hard to distinguish the colored men from the white.” Patients bled from their noses and ears, gasped for air as fluid filled their lungs and eventually suffocated from their own mucus and blood.”

I am not promoting doom and gloom. It happened once and could happen again IF people become complacent and no vaccine has yet been developed.

Just remember...just like there will always be another recession someday, there will be another deadly pandemic someday also. Will we be prepared?

#1958 80 days ago
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#1959 80 days ago

More evidence of younger people ending up in the hospital.

Might or might not be behind the pay wall.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/18/health/coronavirus-young-people.html

The report, issued Wednesday by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, found that — as in other countries — the oldest patients had the greatest likelihood of dying and of being hospitalized. But of the 508 patients known to have been hospitalized, 38 percent were notably younger — between 20 and 54. And nearly half of the 121 patients who were admitted to intensive care units were adults under 65, the C.D.C. reported.

“I think everyone should be paying attention to this,” said Stephen S. Morse, a professor of epidemiology at Columbia University’s Mailman School of Public Health. “It’s not just going to be the elderly. There will be people age 20 and up. They do have to be careful, even if they think that they’re young and healthy.”

#1960 80 days ago

If I’m reading the charts right, Italy’s infection count is growing at about 13% per day while the US is growing about 30% per day. This is an enormous difference. One possibility is that the growth of the “true count” (day over day) is much lower, and the lack of testing is actually making that multiplier worse than than the reality. I really hope that’s the case.

#1961 80 days ago

If some states continue to drag their feet, does anyone think surrounding states might start shutting down boarders with those states? We are starting to do it from country to country. Why not state lines?

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/19/texas-coronavirus-response-136061?cid=apn

#1962 80 days ago
Quoted from cottonm4:

What are the essential jobs that cannot close?
=============================
Grocery stores.
TP makers.
Canned goods companies: beans, tuna fish, green beans, corn, etc.
Milk. The dairy producers cannot really shut down. Cows have to be milked. Twice a day. Milk needs processed. If it is not sold it goes bad.
Gas stations? This means the fuel trucks have to keep rolling.
What about the tobacco companies? There will be a lot of people jonesing for a smoke, a dip, or a chew. Do they get to stay open?
The smoke shops? Vape shops?
What about Coca-cola? Pepsi? 7up? Budweiser? Jack Daniels? Jim Beam? Some people are not going handle sobriety very well Some people get real nasty when they don't get their Coca-cola?
What about our mail? Is the post office going to shut down? And leave your bills in limbo?
I'm sure there is a longer list, but this is all I can think of.
Are we going to shut down funerals like Italy did?
What about the churches? They depend on passing the plate to cover their bills. No one is going to church so no collections, etc.

Other critical jobs - waste plant operators, sanitation workers, waiters (while restaurants are open), internet providers (my fiber optic line has been out a few days and the repairman will be treated like a king by me on Fri am), tv/phone service providers (fiber optic line has been out a few days and the repairman will be treated like a king by my wife on Fri am), IT support (for those working remotely), scientists specializing in diseases, public health policy makers and all medical personnel and healthcare specialists.

Sadly a bunch of people in service and manufacturing have already started to be laid off. That number is escalating quickly. My company CEO had a call this morning and we mostly have salaried staff in every country around the world, He said after safety for employees, job preservation was his next highest priority. It really rattled me as I hadn’t considered it before, so I have gone from being concerned about the virus to being anxious and highly concerned. Companies have been bred to be cut throat, now is the time to pay it back with compassion and understanding of your employees.

Quoted from swampfire:

If I’m reading the charts right, Italy’s infection count is growing at about 13% per day while the US is growing about 30% per day. This is an enormous difference. One possibility is that the growth of the “true count” (day over day) is much lower, and the lack of testing is actually making that multiplier worse than than the reality. I really hope that’s the case.

This thread started strongly with many vocal deniers, bad statisticians and financial advisors suggesting we buy more stock on dips - bing bang boing bong bong. Flash forward just two weeks and some of these same folks have been woke and free financial advice has all but dried up. This is going to get way worse before it starts to improve. All in all 1) with testing limited to those who can get the cdc to approve their test. 2) with large amount of samples that have been collected in US but not analyzed by lab yet and which will very soon be and only then will these be reported for the first time 3) with people showing only minor symptoms being told they can’t get a test and to go home and self quarantine, yet these numbers are not being collected in US 4) with misinformation coming from US government and and our “leaders” not taking the pandemic seriously for so many months 5) without a coordinated approach, each state, city or muni is making up their own rules 6) with many people not following the advice to stay home when instructed to (spring breakers on beeches are fucking idiots) ... US numbers are poised to escalate quickly. Everyone in the world has been impacted in their daily life over the past one month and while you don’t need to have a doomsday mentality, at least have some respect of this virus and empathy for those who get sick. Don’t unknowingly become part of the problem because of ignorance.

#1963 80 days ago

What happened to the other thread about buying flu masks? It had some classics like this in it
Look whats happened in under 3 weeks.

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#1964 80 days ago

None of those will age well...especially since they were a complete denial of reality/fantasy when they were typed. But, again we were the idiots that didn’t understand. Sad really.

#1965 80 days ago
Quoted from Murphdom:

It is only officially day 3 of no school and my daughter asked to go back...

My kids were bored on day 2 I think. I do “homeschool” 9-12, then try and keep them busy the rest of the day. It’s a bummer. I told them a couple weeks back school would probably be cancelled. I haven’t told them that I’m also sure they are done for the year.

#1966 80 days ago
Quoted from Kiwipinhead:

What happened to the other thread about buying flu masks? It had some classics like this in it
Look whats happened in under 3 weeks.[quoted image]

At least he has joined the right caravan now. Sadly some have not.

I've been screaming wake up since day 1 but day by day is what matters and as long as people wake up to the seriousness of the situation I cant fault them indefinitely.

#1967 80 days ago
Quoted from Kiwipinhead:

What happened to the other thread about buying flu masks? It had some classics like this in it

I changed the Title since we were past masks, and I would hope concern is now a common element.
Sadly its not.
We are at a tipping point....This will either explode, with news channels showing field hospitals, daily soaring death rates, or not so much. I cant tell. I am pessimistic, because of History and Human Nature.
Im optimistic, because I need to be.
If the Government is predicting 18 months...Im unsure why many feel 2-3 months, but I hope so.
I am hearing from family and neighbors in govt, of major shit coming, at least in the sense of what is being prepared for....This additional info makes me nervous.

#1968 80 days ago
Quoted from OLDPINGUY:

This will either explode

That’s a lock. Ship has sailed on getting it under control I’m afraid.

Make sure you’re stocked up on meds and your can’t live without items.

#1969 80 days ago
Quoted from Wickerman2:

None of those will age well...

Iceman posts usually don't

#1971 80 days ago
Quoted from NY2Colorado:

Martin Shkreli and Elizabeth Holmes say a vaccine is imminent.

Good one, but naughty naughty because many will probably not know who you are talking about.

#1972 80 days ago

Man, I don't care what anybody says.

I LIKE our little echo chamber.

#1973 80 days ago
Quoted from jeffspinballpalace:

Other critical jobs - waste plant operators, sanitation workers, waiters (while restaurants are open), internet providers (my fiber optic line has been out a few days and the repairman will be treated like a king by me on Fri am), tv/phone service providers (fiber optic line has been out a few days and the repairman will be treated like a king by my wife on Fri am), IT support (for those working remotely), scientists specializing in diseases, public health policy makers and all medical personnel and healthcare specialists.
Sadly a bunch of people in service and manufacturing have already started to be laid off. That number is escalating quickly. My company CEO had a call this morning and we mostly have salaried staff in every country around the world, He said after safety for employees, job preservation was his next highest priority. It really rattled me as I hadn’t considered it before, so I have gone from being concerned about the virus to being anxious and highly concerned. Companies have been bred to be cut throat, now is the time to pay it back with compassion and understanding of your employees.

This thread started strongly with many vocal deniers, bad statisticians and financial advisors suggesting we buy more stock on dips - bing bang boing bong bong. Flash forward just two weeks and some of these same folks have been woke and free financial advice has all but dried up. This is going to get way worse before it starts to improve. All in all 1) with testing limited to those who can get the cdc to approve their test. 2) with large amount of samples that have been collected in US but not analyzed by lab yet and which will very soon be and only then will these be reported for the first time 3) with people showing only minor symptoms being told they can’t get a test and to go home and self quarantine, yet these numbers are not being collected in US 4) with misinformation coming from US government and and our “leaders” not taking the pandemic seriously for so many months 5) without a coordinated approach, each state, city or muni is making up their own rules 6) with many people not following the advice to stay home when instructed to (spring breakers on beeches are fucking idiots) ... US numbers are poised to escalate quickly. Everyone in the world has been impacted in their daily life over the past one month and while you don’t need to have a doomsday mentality, at least have some respect of this virus and empathy for those who get sick. Don’t unknowingly become part of the problem because of ignorance.

Post of the day!

#1974 80 days ago

My sister-in-law STILL thinks some people shit gold. There is no debating. No reason. No logic. Everything is 100%. She is 80 years and lives in Texas.

#1975 80 days ago
Quoted from CrazyLevi:

Man, I don't care what anybody says.
I LIKE our little echo chamber.

It's a wee slice of what's happening around the world in real time.

#1976 80 days ago

Ok, back to my Boomer Bash. They have no freakin’ idea.

Went to the local cafe today to get a coffee. Literally the only people in there, and anywhere for that matter, are Baby Boomers and older. Everyone else is either working from home or self distancing.

Why is everyone else self distancing? To save the f*n’ boomers from getting f*n Covid19.

The world has literally plunged itself into significant economic collapse (and it IS collapsing) by shutting EVERYTHING down, to save these f*n Boomers and they’re out and about saying “I don’t know what the fuss is about. There’s no one here to infect me! This is great, we’ve got the place to ourselves.”

OMFG.

#1977 80 days ago

Our Boarders are now closed to NZ only residents from 11.59pm . 5 1/2 hours from now.

#1978 80 days ago
Quoted from swampfire:

DJshakes the count is a lagging indicator, for obvious reasons. I see people doing math where they divide deaths by total active cases. This doesn’t work, because it assumes that everyone who hasn’t died yet, won’t. It also assumes that quality of treatment is constant, and it may not be. Keep an eye on the total number of cases, and the current multiplier.

Good points

#1979 80 days ago
Quoted from cooked71:

Ok, back to my Boomer Bash. They have no freakin’ idea.
Went to the local cafe today to get a coffee. Literally the only people in there, and anywhere for that matter, are Baby Boomers and older. Everyone else is either working from home or self distancing.
Why is everyone else self distancing? To save the f*n’ boomers from getting f*n Covid19.
The world has literally plunged itself into significant economic collapse (and it IS collapsing) by shutting EVERYTHING down, to save these f*n Boomers and they’re out and about saying “I don’t know what the fuss is about. There’s no one here to infect me! This is great, we’ve got the place to ourselves.”
OMFG.

Almost all of the older people that I know are taking this very seriously and staying home.

#1980 80 days ago

Best indicator for future trends may be Italy. We'll see the effect of strict (*) containment. Italy is a bit ahead (by 1-2 weeks) in terms of number of cases and timeline for curfew. Two factors to remember though:
- Italy's population may be older than in your state / country (aggravating factor)
- Northern Italy's medical system is one of the best in the world... and yet stressed to a point hard to imagine.

In any case, any measure implemented now won't have results on number of cases / deaths immediately. Expect a few weeks lag period. Exponential grow will continue for some time (1-2 weeks ?) as currently asymptomatic carriers will develop the disease, be tested, etc.

(*) may be not so strict based on recent stats on cell phone location !

#1981 80 days ago

Important paper, worth reading. Published in one of the most respected journals (Nature Medicine). The main conclusions are "the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein optimized for binding to human-like ACE2 is the result of natural selection".

In other words: "SARS- CoV-2 is not a purposefully manipulated virus".

#1982 80 days ago
Quoted from Who-Dey:

Almost all of the older people that I know are taking this very seriously and staying home.

I am 4 days in on my own self quarantine. 10 more to go. I did have to go to Walmart.

After my 14 days are over, then what? I could leave the house on day 15 or 16, and then what? Leave the house on day 15 or 16 and somehow catch the stuff.

This could go on for a long time.

#1983 80 days ago

Wuhan Province reported zero new cases today on top of one yesterday. So there is an endgame. Maybe faster if it just runs it's course.

Don't know if it was trusted news reporting. but sounds reasonable.

#1984 80 days ago

A surprising number of people seem to have the mindset that this will be over in weeks. “Just need to keep the kids occupied for a few weeks”, etc. I spoke to someone yesterday who still thinks they’re going to be going to Spain in June.

This shit is going to last months, and we’re not even past the first one yet.

I do wonder what effect the relentlessly dour news coverage is going to have on people, particularly those susceptible to it (anxiety etc). There is basically no good news at all now, anything anyone might have been interested in watching or attending is cancelled, parents have to try and keep their children amused whilst isolated with everything closing down, whilst wondering whether they’re going to have a job to go back to, etc.

Whilst I’m sure it can’t compare to what people went through during WW2, etc it does feel as if we’re under attack. This is quite unlike anything this generation has ever experienced before.

I really hope that when this dies down that there will be real, sustained pressure on governments to properly fund the sciences, healthcare, etc to anticipate the next diseases. Imagine if just a fraction of the defence budgets of the world had been spent on this stuff, we possibly wouldn’t be needing far more money pumped in to prop the economy up, or maybe have had so many people die. When the beds and ventilator run out it’s going to get really bad, I fear.

#1986 79 days ago
Quoted from o-din:

Wuhan Province reported zero new cases today on top of one yesterday. So there is an endgame. Maybe faster if it just runs it's course.
Don't know if it was trusted news reporting. but sounds reasonable.

Do you really believe anything that China says?

#1987 79 days ago

Well there’s one place on this planet that this virus won’t dare enter is—AREA-51

#1989 79 days ago

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/19/health/new-jersey-coronavirus-family-members-killed/index.html

Heart wrenching. So fast, all from a family dinner this month.

#1990 79 days ago
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#1991 79 days ago

Do not believe anything China says.

#1992 79 days ago

looks like a delay on the War Production Act, from the top, with a 40% increase in US cases today,
without any results from the 500,000 Italian test kits.
I sure hope that masks, ventilators, and medical equipment, now delayed again, does not come
back to bite us.

#1993 79 days ago
Quoted from OLDPINGUY:

looks like a delay on the War Production Act, from the top, with a 40% increase in US cases today,
without any results from the 500,000 Italian test kits.
I sure hope that masks, ventilators, and medical equipment, now delayed again, does not come
back to bite us.

It undoubtedly will

#1994 79 days ago
Quoted from Who-Dey:

Do not believe anything China says.

I don't, but I believe what FedEx says.

#1995 79 days ago
Quoted from loneacer:

I don't, but I believe what FedEx says.

I think this offers some sense of hope, but we need to realize that the responses between our country and theirs is drastically different.

#1996 79 days ago
Quoted from OLDPINGUY:

looks like a delay on the War Production Act, from the top, with a 40% increase in US cases today,
without any results from the 500,000 Italian test kits.
I sure hope that masks, ventilators, and medical equipment, now delayed again, does not come
back to bite us.

Only good news: Seems like a serious drop off
In people proudly posting the US virus stats as if they are supposed to be good news.

#1997 79 days ago
Quoted from 2pupPinz:

I think this offers some sense of hope, but we need to realize that the responses between our country and theirs is drastically different.

True, but with them being the worlds manufacturer, it's a big deal for them to come back online.

#1998 79 days ago
Quoted from loneacer:

True, but with them being the worlds manufacturer, it's a big deal for them to come back online.

Agreed. Spring breakers will need lots of stuff to buy

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#1999 79 days ago
Quoted from 2pupPinz:

Agreed. Spring breakers will need lots of stuff to buy[quoted image][quoted image]

If they are going to be out anyway, we should equip them with backpacks full of disinfectant. Two birds one stone.

#2000 79 days ago
Quoted from cottonm4:

Exponential movement in the U.S. (with graphs)
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
Last week there were 50 or so cases of Coronavirus ( get ready for a new acronym: CV ). in US. Today there are almost 5000 cases of CV. There have been 93 deaths and 74 recoveries. That's not a very good ratio.
There are a lot of good charts at link but this one stands out.
[quoted image]

Testing just started ramping up; so case numbers are going to jump dramatically; this virus has been here for months already. The key is going to be how our hospital systems can handle it; and what current therapies are found to be effective in treating this. We have the best doctors and healthcare companies on planet earth; if there is a will, there is a way.

Don't buy into panic or fear mongering, just stay hunkered down, wash your hands and control what you can control...God Bless

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