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Quoted from Honch:What's your timeline for "very soon"?
It’s making major headlines now just like all the other outbreaks that have happened in the past.It will die out and things will be back to normal.Remember way back about the Y2K bug?? People stocking up on batteries,water,ect. And ALL the stores that sold all that stuff put up signs “no refund on those products sold before January 1st 2000...
Quoted from pinmike:It’s making major headlines now just like all the other outbreaks that have happened in the past.It will die out and things will be back to normal.Remember way back about the Y2K bug?? People stocking up on batteries,water,ect. And ALL the stores that sold all that stuff put up signs “no refund on those products sold before January 1st 2000...
Using your critical thinking skills, how might a lethal virus that transfers from person to person, be different than a bug in computer code?
Politics and big Pharma are major people who bank off of people they put in panic or fear.Since the 1950”s when the government used to have drills for a Russian nuclear attack.Its a test to see how people would react to such a threat
Quoted from okayestpinballer:Using your critical thinking skills, how might a lethal virus that transfers from person to person, be different than a bug in computer code?
I’m saying it’s the same tactics
Quoted from pinmike:It’s making major headlines now just like all the other outbreaks that have happened in the past.It will die out and things will be back to normal.Remember way back about the Y2K bug?? People stocking up on batteries,water,ect. And ALL the stores that sold all that stuff put up signs “no refund on those products sold before January 1st 2000...
I dont think anyone disputes the fact that this will eventually die out or be under control at some point. Things will eventually return to normal, but between now and then there will be a lot of problems, especially economically.
Perception is reality and if the general public is spooked we're all going to feel it regardless of how dangerous this turns out to be. I don't personally ever remember seeing anything this "hyped" before in my lifetime.
Quoted from Honch:I dont think anyone disputes the fact that this will eventually die out or be under control at some point. Things will eventually return to normal, but between now and then there will be a lot of problems, especially economically.
Perception is reality and if the general public is spooked we're all going to feel it regardless of how dangerous this turns out to be. I don't personally ever remember seeing anything this "hyped" before in my lifetime.
Honch,just look it up on the net it’s all there.
Quoted from pinmike:Politics and big Pharma are major people who bank off of people they put in panic or fear.Since the 1950”s when the government used to have drills for a Russian nuclear attack.Its a test to see how people would react to such a threat
Should anyone plan or prepare for anything?
Nothing personal, but I'm glad credentialed and experienced doctors, like Dr. Fauci of the NIH are being consulted over say, someone like you.
Now it's hard to say whether or not anyoneis actually listening to what they have to say, but that's another matter.
Quoted from pinmike:OP trolling not worth the time and typing
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No problem don’t need you to be my buddy I was just being nice
Quoted from pinmike:trolling
Nobody’s trolling you...just looking for some evidence.
You realize the outbreaks ended with containment and a vaccine essentially? They solve it medically...they haven’t had time to do that yet. It will end with a vaccine that’s incorporated in to yearly flu shots and we’re back to anti vaxxers etc. It’s the lag period that people are concerned about.
Quoted from okayestpinballer:Does alcohol kill coronavirus?
I’m not taking any chances. I’m pretreating on the inside.
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Well, that means you are either a drunk or an idiot. Or perhaps a drunken idiot? 
Quoted from pinmike:No problem don’t need you to be my buddy I was just being nice
Quoted from cottonm4:Well, that means you are either a drunk or an idiot. Or perhaps a drunken idiot?
Not yet, give me a little while.
Interesting video on the autopsy of a patient from China who had the Coronavirus which eventually developed into ARDS.
A take-away from the video might be that if you choose to be intubated, you might have a better chance of survival.
Intubation is the process of inserting a tube, called an endotracheal tube (ET), through the mouth and then into the airway. This is done so that a patient can be placed on a ventilator to assist with breathing during anesthesia, sedation, or severe illness.
unnamed (resized).jpgThis is the only chart that shows anything positive. And it is just a chart showing change in percentages. It has nothing to do with absolute numbers. Today the death rate is down to 6%. And, as I see it, this is the only thing to cheer about.
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The numbers on the left were 24 days ago. The numbers in the middle were 19 days ago. The numbers on the right are from today.
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We talk about the "progress" China has made in trying to get in front of this freight train, but China is still gaining about 100 people/cases per day. So, percentage-wise China is making ground. But the absolute numbers do not seem encouraging. Especially when you look at Italy and Iran.
NOTE: This is just 1/4 of the table. There is no room to post the rest.
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Daily new cases are still going up the world around.
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Total new cases looked like they were leveling off a little bit but now it looks like they are accelerating.
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And here is why.
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The orange keeps getting bigger.
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I wish I had taken some snaps of this pie chart a few days ago. It is so dynamic. Last week Iran was just a small sliver of of the pie, as was Italy.
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Saving the best for last. New daily cases are creeping up while new recoveries are going down.
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Everything above is sourced from: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
Quoted from Wickerman2:Were you a taxpayer at that time? Everyone remembers Bush sending out the $300 and $600 checks.
Anyway, the economy is going to tank and nothing spends like money. I had my doubts when Bush did it but studies since have shown people actually used the cash and it had a temporary boost effect. I’m thinking we’ll need that even more pretty soon.
Must be mis remembering . I do know a check arrived.
"How did the disease spread around the world?
" China's health authorities have been praised for their quick reaction to the disease and their transparency in sharing genetic data. The quarantine of "Wuhan and other Chinese cities is thought to have delayed the spread of the coronavirus to other countries by a matter of weeks.
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And an early prediction that proved wrong. Ignorance and BS always abounds :
"However, experts said at the beginning of the outbreak that the disease did not spread easily from human to human. That has since been proved "wrong, but may have contributed to initial complacency.
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And the part that gets my attention:
" Because many people who become infected suffer either no symptoms or only mild symptoms, coronavirus has also been able to spread under the radar.
" Some disease modellers believe that only 10 per cent of cases in China and a third in the rest of the world are being picked up.
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I really have to think about if I want to willingly enter a confined space where everybody is playing pinball while wiping their face and hands all over their clothes.
Quoted from chad:Must be mis remembering . I do know a check arrived.
It was #41.
Quoted from chad:Must be mis remembering . I do know a check arrived.
I remember 2 checks from 2001 to 2008 and then an economic stimulus package that appeared for most people via decreases in taxes to their paychecks in 2009 (some people did receive a physical check).
2001
Bush signed the $1.35 trillion tax cut -- which includes soon-to-be-mailed rebate checks of up to $600 -- amid the kind of presidential pomp he usually disdains: a formal ceremony in the East Room, with a Marine band playing "Hail to the Chief."
https://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/Bush-signs-1-3-trillion-tax-cut-bill-300-600-2913184.php
2008
The tax rebates will go to some 117 million Americans. Those individuals who don't make enough to pay income taxes will get rebates of $300. The rebates will start to phase out for those who earn more than $75,000 or for couples who earn more than $150,000. Businesses will get tax write-offs that are double what they can take now on new investments, as well as incentives to invest in new equipment.
https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=18391644
2009
When Did Stimulus Checks Go Out?
In May 2009, the federal government sent checks of $250 each to more than 52 million Social Security and SSI recipients. If you did not receive your check, call 1-800-772-1213 or TTY 1-800-325-0778. You may also contact your local Social Security office.Did Everyone Receive Stimulus Checks?
The Act was unusual in that most taxpayers did not receive checks. Instead, they received tax rebates. Instead of waiting until the April tax deadline, their withholding was cut. The Obama administration argued that they would receive benefits quicker.In 2009, the average taxpayer received a tax cut of $400 per individual or $800 per family. They did not receive stimulus checks. Instead, the tax cuts appeared in each paycheck starting in June 2009. Each employee had about 6% less withheld from their checks.
So, I have no way to back this up so take it as you will but in talking with some co-workers in Hong Kong this morning, China is majorly misreporting recovery numbers, and that there is still a ton of quarantine and shutdowns. Yesterday they did lift the ban on restaurants though. When we told them our numbers here in the US they were shocked it wasn't higher because it is so bad over there. They are keeping a close eye on Italy and Korea for spread.
Quoted from Wickerman2:Ok. Couple days ago, none in Colorado...then some guy up skiing that flew in from Italy, then a guy from a cruise, then a lady from another cruise...NOW a parent from the school near my kid’s school, they closed early today...that parents kids hang with a kid from my kids school...JACKPOT.
From none to less than a Kevin Bacon away from my family. WTF?
OK, Wickerman, Let me see if I got this right. Because some other kids' mom shows signs of having the virus, your kids now have to stay home. Is this going to turn into a situation that because your kids might have been exposed that you now have to stay home and self-quarantine ?
What about all of the other families in that school. Are all of the kids in that school being sent home, too? Could we see you and your family and all of the other families in that school having to stay home?
How many kids and how many parents in that school? What about the teachers and their families ?
The other school shut early. CDC says if they sanitize the whole school they are good. The family from that school definitely has it and are quarantined. My kids head of school says today that the rumor that kids from quarantine family and our school hanging in last few days is false. Hopefully that’s the case.
They are saying the parent that has it hadn’t been on campus recently. I am a bit fuzzy on the status of their kids...they had to be on campus so maybe they tested negative so far?
They are sending emails/texts with updates daily with all the goings on and precautions. So as of today, we’re a go for launch on Monday!
Quoted from Zablon:So, I have no way to back this up
Neither do most of the folks who post in these threads, that shouldn’t stop anyone from posting.
Quoted from cottonm4:https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/coronavirus-map-live-cases-death-toll-world-latest/
"How did the disease spread around the world?
" China's health authorities have been praised for their quick reaction to the disease and their transparency in sharing genetic data. The quarantine of "Wuhan and other Chinese cities is thought to have delayed the spread of the coronavirus to other countries by a matter of weeks.
============================================================
And an early prediction that proved wrong. Ignorance and BS always abounds :
"However, experts said at the beginning of the outbreak that the disease did not spread easily from human to human. That has since been proved "wrong, but may have contributed to initial complacency.
======================================================
And the part that gets my attention:
" Because many people who become infected suffer either no symptoms or only mild symptoms, coronavirus has also been able to spread under the radar.
" Some disease modellers believe that only 10 per cent of cases in China and a third in the rest of the world are being picked up.
=================================
Interesting. I've seen similar dissections/criticisms of China's handling of the outbreak.
Coronavirus outbreak: What went wrong in the early days
Quoted from cottonm4:I really have to think about if I want to willingly enter a confined space where everybody is playing pinball while wiping their face and hands all over their clothes.
Yeah, I hate to see great events like TPF and MGC potentially cancel or suffer loses due to low attendance. We've seen a lot of other big events and conferences around the world being cancelled or postponed. I'm guessing every event promoter/planner is definitely paying attention to the news.
Quoted from Mike_J:Neither do most of the folks who post in these threads, that shouldn’t stop anyone from posting.
Funnily enough that seems to be mostly from the deniers. When you think EVERYONE is lying to you, you don't have any sources but your own opinion.
Quoted from Mike_J:Neither do most of the folks who post in these threads, that shouldn’t stop anyone from posting.
I personally think you're wasting your time chastising the henny-pennys here on Pinside, when your expertise and experience would be better spent advising the doctors and scientists around the world who are tasked with responding to a global pandemic.
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Quoted from Toasterdog:Shit just got real!
Coronavirus panic spreads: Costco is pulling free samples over COVID-19
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/food/2020/03/06/costco-samples-coronavirus-suspends-free-samples/4980216002/
The ramifications on the supply chain are tremendous.
Everybody is stocking up. Stores are having to having to scramble to keep the shelves full. Manufacturers are having to scramble to supply the stores. I'll stay again: Everybody is stocking up; For possible future needs and nothing they will need tomorrow.
Assume everybody goes and buys a 3 month supply of toilet paper, and by some circumstance of events, the virus just magically goes away. Now, you have a population that is stocked up with a 3 month supply of toilet paper. If the virus does not materialize then the country has a 3 month supply of toilet paper to work off. If you are the toilet paper maker you will need to find something else for your employees to do for 3 months when demand and supply start matching again.
Of course, the morbid way to look at it is that half the population dies. There is going to be a lot of toilet paper out there free for the taking, which will still cause the supply chain fits.
There is no way to win with the possibilities we are looking at.
Quoted from okayestpinballer:I personally think you're wasting your time chastising the stupid henny-pennys here on Pinside, when your expertise and experience would be better spent advising the doctors and scientists around the world who are tasked with responding to a global pandemic.[quoted image]
You have to admit that with this virus action that: global warming, air pollution, hurricanes, tornados, earthquakes, California fires, and any other item you can think about, that all of these items have been placed on the back burners.
Quoted from cottonm4:Assume everybody goes and buys a 3 month supply of toilet paper, and by some circumstance of events, the virus just magically goes away. Now, you have a population that is stocked up with a 3 month supply of toilet paper. If the virus does not materialize then the country has a 3 month supply of toilet paper to work off. If you are the toilet paper maker you will need to find something else for your employees to do for 3 months when demand and supply start matching again.
Quoted from cottonm4:Of course, the morbid way to look at it is that half the population dies. There is going to be a lot of toilet paper out there free for the taking, which will still cause the supply chain fits.
There is no way to win with the possibilities we are looking at.
I haven't seen any suggestion that case fatality rates are that high. I personally don't know if I want to live in a world where half the populations dies. That seems inconceivable and apocalyptic. I'm optimistic that we (the entire world) will eventually get on top of this.
Quoted from cottonm4:You have to admit that with this virus action that: global warming, air pollution, hurricanes, tornados, earthquakes, California fires, and any other item you can think about, that all of these items have been placed on the back burners.
I'm optimistic that if we take this virus seriously and mount a rational scientific response, our country
coulduse this example as a springboard to take these issues more seriously and to trust the eggheads and scientists who have been warning us about these potential outcomes for years.
I seriously hope this only our "warning" and not "the big one", and that we take it seriously and learn from it.
Quoted from Multiballmaniac1:Charmin is the best toilet paper hands down.
Cottonelle is great too.
Great idea for a restaurant of questionable quality. Placed strategically right outside of the restroom...sure to be a money maker.
Quoted from okayestpinballer:I personally think you're wasting your time chastising the henny-pennys here on Pinside, when your expertise and experience would be better spent advising the doctors and scientists around the world who are tasked with responding to a global pandemic.
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It’s apparent that I’ve listened to what they’ve said and the “henny-pennys “ have not. These are the same guys who won’t take their boats more than a mile off shore for fear of falling off the edge.
Quoted from Mike_J:It’s apparent that I’ve listened to what they’ve said and the “henny-pennys “ have not. These are the same guys who won’t take their boats more than a mile off shore for fear of falling off the edge.
Who knows?
Isolated on a small yacht with enough food and supplies on your way to the Antarctic "Ice Wall" at the edge of the Flat Earth, might be your safest bet to wait out the Corona-virus?
I'll just leave this here.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/dog-tested-positive-coronavirus-pets-090000429.html
That data table I put up earlier has changed.
The U.S. did have 365 cases yesterday. And now the U.S. has added another 115 people to 434.
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New York state is dealing 21 new cases for a total of 76.
Last week there only around 100 case in the states.
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https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/07/health/coronavirus-outbreaks-saturday/index.html
Fox News is right there with the updates, too.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/coronavirus-new-york-update-cuomo-state-emergency
Quoted from Toasterdog:Shit just got real!
Coronavirus panic spreads: Costco is pulling free samples over COVID-19
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/food/2020/03/06/costco-samples-coronavirus-suspends-free-samples/4980216002/
Also in the UK, employees were spraying customers!
Quoted from chad:Also in the UK, employees were spraying customers!
I’ve seen some of these customers. They should have been spraying them before the Coronavirus as well.
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