No, I don't know you and I wasn't aware that I was calling you a liar since I was commenting on a post that didn't mention or quote you.

However, many of your comments seem put down views of people I'm guessing you don't know so...

But that's the beauty of owning your own machine. Change those batteries regularly and no need to worry about Grand Champion scores.

I doesn't work that way around here Kim. No shortcuts. I had to do service on my BK2K recently and while I was at it, it was time to put in a remote battery pack. I felt kind of bad because Nimblepin had bumped the GC on that up to around 12 mil. But after I put it back together on my second game I set the bar a little higher at 13 mil. No harm, no foul.

Repairing pinball machines makes you a better player. Now back to work......

Lol don't forget the coin mechs (those cheap bastards)...However that horrific repro hologram on the CFTBL will make the originals look like a bargain.

Ditto! I can't get it out of my head how impertinent this move was.

I'm a little late to this circle jerk. But having gone to their open house and talking with the owner, they absolutely have their shit together. They have a small team of developers that do the tech right, pay for the licensing, they've been making cabs and playfields forever and have that down. Making MMR was a new thing for them, but they wanted to do it right the first time to have a platform to develop from for future releases.

The owner didn't give anything away, but certainly hinted that the speculation here for them making another release is a very real possibility. The only other things they do is "arcade classics" multigames that apparently they sell a lot of, and a few redemption games.

They develop the tech and buy the licenses. They make the cabs and playfields, Stern throws them together, the community rejoices. That's about it.

Well, you whiffed on your point. Probably best that you grab some pine.

Ok. So did you buy yours hoping they wouldn't lose substantial value? Not as an investment...I think we are all capable of understanding that. Take away the "investment argument". Substitute "bought not wanting to lose substantial value". How does potential remakes in the future impact the value of your collection as it stands?

Lol. Political topics are off limits. Are you saying that describing individual behavior patterns (that certainly influence a persons political viewpoints as well as their general worldview and, by association, their opinion of the pinball marketplace) is also off limits? Or is this whole topic off limits because it's on economics....which is sometimes a political focus? Geez, you lawyers will argue anything,

Listen gramps, I don't go for the immediate name calling insult....which is more your style. For their "unenlightened" opinion I could have called the person a grandpa, a curmudgeon, a coward, a wuss, a pussy, a whiny bitch, or a butthurt little crybaby - and posted a picture like you do in your infinite maturity- but instead I said that their conservative viewpoint (meaning in this case cautious and limited) was tiresome. Same thing. Pick your poison. Words have meaning and nuance...and just because some people here use political viewpoints as veiled instruments - and then cower behind the "no politics on Pinside rule" - doesn't meant I'm afraid to use my vocabulary properly.

I've found that people that don't understand, or are ashamed of, or can't adequately defend their own political viewpoints tend to play the "no politics on Pinside" card the most. Usually after witlessly stating something politically insensitive or clueless. But this isn't about politics, it's about Kim knee jerkingky calling me out inappropriately for something he didn't understand and now you pouring on gasoline by sticking your nose where it doesn't belong....again.

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Who was running this show?

Will we see PPS or the CGC logo on the new games?

Is CGC the lead decision maker (ala no coin mechs), or are they a contracted engineering house?

Will we have to pay more for a hard copy of the manual?

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Best response ever!!!

I would like to meet that guy to discuss some prime oceanfront property just outside of St. Louis.

AFM matches stern's barren games, no reason PPS should charge $5500 or more. If stern can pump out a game for under 5k, pps should be able to as well.

When I starting collecting (before prices really climbed), it seems that more collectors were willing to rotate their titles more freely with the understanding that if they ever wanted that pin again that it would be easy and cheap enough to find another one. Games were cheap and plentiful. Not in the best shape, but if you wanted a certain pin they were out there for a decent price. Even NIB were somewhat affordable. Economy tanked. When Stern had to increase prices to stay in business it seemed the sky was falling. Collectors started hoarding games thinking *end of pinball times*. Once games were harder to come by, collector started to lock in their 'must haves'. This drought drove up prices even more which in turn tighted collectors grips even more ("I can't let go of my <insert A-title here>, I'll never find another one for <2005 price> again in 2010".) Grail games were restored, increasing their investment. The economy came back. Pinball came back. Pinball grew in popularity. Seeing prices hadn't retreated, collectors continued to dig in their heels and refused to sell. This created a somewhat false demand in games for the few who wanted certain titles that were sitting idle in many collector's basements. When they did sell, restored games fetched crazy prices. Stern/JJP's prices and 'tiered' selling model start to reflect the new pin economy. HUO game prices followed. Some LE's become unobtainium further justifying Stern's tiered model strategy. Collectors start customizing on a grand scale, pouring money into game cosmetics. Secondary market prices go up further. Boutique and remakes see opportunity - some collectors start to 'cash out' with talk of bubble. Prices on some hot titles plateau for first time. Many LE's NIB sit unsold. Market is saturated. Stern/JJP/Boutiques respond by giving collectors what they want - title, designer, features ... even re-running previous titles. Collectors respond by starting to rotate their titles more freely wanting the latest/greatest. HUO games drop slightly in price as result. That brings us to today.

Liberal and Conservative have been Pinball words for many years. I first saw those words when I got my first Bally part catalog in 1975. I had no idea what those words meant, but I sure remember seeing them. No politics involved.

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If only TFA were there with his handy dictionary

I think they will need to adjust pricing strategy in order to maximize potential profits for a future run of say-AFM. Would PPS rather sell 1500 units at $5500 or 500 at $7500? $8,250,000 or $3,750,000

MMr was a no brainer. Other titles correct pricing will matter.

Especially since rumors were 6k until every arsehat on here kept posting how they would gladly pay 8-10k for one.

Outlane adjustments. But I think they had it backwards.

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Yep, Rick listened, and they got what they asked for.

I'm hoping for the used standard 2-3 years from now for $5000

The coin mech decision was made by CGC. This info may be helpful as well:

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/mmr-pps-and-overall-update-official-pps-oct-21-2013/page/105#post-1814022

No, not from the operators standpoint. Conservative less ball saves, liberal more ball saves.

LTG : )™

Yeah, I get it. Around here liberal means let that ball drain.

It's funny, as at odd times I go thru the WMS IP disks that I have and have found several playfield designs which were on the drawing board which were never made for one reason or the other. In deference to the designer I will probably try to connect with them, but would be cool to share what 'could have been' ...

rick

A DVD would sell nicely and the historical content would be valuable. Maybe involve Pacific Pinball Museum somehow...

I'll bet your having a great time going through all of that stuff. I'm envious.

Very cool!

I am modding my GTO, the boxes are much bigger, the parts are cheaper and the shipping is free.
The front and rear sway bars cost less than a set of plastics.
We are getting hosed big time for pinparts.

Lower price point?
LOL!
10K by Christmas.

8k pre-orders aren't selling for 7.5k if the last mmre for sale post is any indication so 10k would be crickets of course. i imagine 8k for the next remake would be a flop as well considering what jjp and dp are putting out in the near future...imo

Maybe, maybe not… like they say: "A fool and his money are soon parted"

My best advice… SEND MONEY NOW!

Maybe PPS will continue tradition and clearance out a bunch of MMre's in a couple years. I think they would open up a much larger audience of buyers at $5500 MMRE.

there won't be a clearance as we will not make many more (nor need to) than we have sold ... so I think this should keep resale prices higher vs lower ...

You said you were also going to make a standard MMR after the LE. Is that still in play?

Only if demand deems it so...my guess, likely not.

pure speculation on your behalf...prices are falling already based on anecdotal evidence. higher vs lower is irrelevant because it seems most mmre customers are quite content on evaporating values it seems. falling knives are a bitch to catch and this is where the hobby is going with 8k machines.

good luck with the next one if it's 8K, you'll need it.

There is demand and we already have sales to resellers for standard ... again, you can pervert my point, which was we will sell what we have orders for. MMR's are just fine.

rick

Now we care about re-sale prices? Interesting.