TWDLE and GBLE best Stern pins ever. Yep.

If you don't agree then "you have no dick", spook central

Well..... he is from NY.

if by TWD you ment LOTR, then I agree.

If by LOTR you meant Stars, then I agree.

rd

GB will never be what MET is. A true top 5 contender, all time.

I'm with ya on the TWD. I also am stoked to get a GB Premium in the near future.
With that said, I think that Ghostbusters is WAY too challenging to ever be considered a top Stern game.
I could understand it becoming your favourite, or maybe mine, but for the general public, it just aint happening.
From what I've seen so far, it's just way too tough a game to be a top title, loved by the masses.

Personally, I loved IronMan. Had a blast when I owned it. Love ACDC. Love TWD. Loved Metallica.
But Ghostbusters is in a league of its own when it comes to $hit-kicking the player.

Gotta agree with this. I consider myself a decent (not great) player, but the GB LE that I've been playing on location is too much of a drain monster for me to currently consider it a truly fun game.

Hopefully, that will change for the better as I become more familiar with the game's rules and tendencies.

im loving my GB, its super fun and super fast. didnt think id be into the theme but they have done it bloody well. ive barely touched my tron and metallica since gb has arrived. ive not played every stern game but i think gb is the best ive played so far. i just keep pressing the start button time after time.

That's the "new toy factor".

The trick is, will it be the same in 6/12 months.. Only time will tell.

Everyone loves a new toy. But long term, some toys are better than others.

rd

I agree - which is why Dave has 100 + games, like an addiction the first few times the high is great but over time you need more and more often because the high doesn't last as long.

Sorry Dave need to ask - what is a mid range player ?

Yes and no. For me the thrill comes not in getting a pin, it is learning it and (hopefully) beating it. Learning to play TWD and beating HORDE and TERMINUS is up there with the greatest buzz I've had in pinball.

Getting through Iron Throne on GOTpro was almost as cool. But TWD was better cause my machine is nasty as all hell.

In this exact case, guys who usually come 10-20th in a field of 20. That's as mid range as you can get.

???

My IFPA ranking is only slightly lower than Levis. And Tim who made the other informed comment on the game is also in the top 100 ranked players.

Maybe you need to play better?

rd

How many people that spend thousands on any game say it sucks right away? That is why you need time to see where it will settle.

The gble gets easier after a while,you get familiar with shots that bounce back as a draino.
It calms down after 200 plays...out of the box, the machine only does airball.
I think( please don't downvote me 60x) a forum attracts a lot of negativity...what is wrong with gb?
Supercool machine??
Also the ghosting stopped and is stable now,i can live with that.
The code is early, it will get a ton of updates.
Relax, have fun.

That's nonsensical. Anybody who thinks GB sucks isn't going to buy one in the first place.

It's great that you like it. Awesome! Enjoy it! But you don't need to keep seeking validation for it.

rd

Exactly.

rd

YOU were the one that suggested that RD

in order to appreciate the game.

It was a response to "play better" which is always a douchey way to dispute a discussion.

rd

Yep, not questioning that. Just pointing out Who-Dey's shift in position when cornered.

Ahhhhh I see what you did there. Your tricky editing confused my simple mind.

rd

I don't think the level of player has much to do with it. I like GB but realize that the software isn't currently close to the level of games like TWD, Met, or even GOT. Maybe it will get there but currently it isnt there yet. The art, sound, and layout are great for the most part. I do think the game needs quite a bit of tweaking out of the box to make it play right. The Pro I play on route has several switches that don't register and a left saucer that fires it SDTM, and short Inlane rails which the ball jumps over constantly. On a home machine these things can be accounted for but you are still stuck with unbalanced rules. It sucks when looping supers come up during sfmb and during Scoleri Brothers! And a ball shouldn't lock and divert to the saucer when it's running. I think it would actually be a better game with the Scoleri targets disabled as they don't bring enough risk/reward and are more of a nuisance. I also think the lower left targets near the captive ball should be more useful. It's still not a bad game but it's not one of the really good ones either. It's probably around 7-8 on my list of best Stern's.

Very good point.

Dang RD, we agree on this one.

You know i love my TWDLE as my favorite pin for those same reasons, like you. GBLE is right up there and more overall "fun".

The code/layout/lighting/art is really a lot of fun to play now, but Dwight needs to bring the code to another level to make it a great one, like it could be, scoring is just too unbalanced and so many features aren't fleshed out and/or integrated with the game yet.

It will be a very disappointing outcome for me if they don't make this a rules masterpiece like the others. They will though, GB will be the biggest seller Stern has seen in a long time!

Yeah if Dwight fixes these issues in code and makes it a more balanced and polished experience I think this game will crack my personal top 5 Stern list (TWD, LOTR, ACDC, TSPP, Met). It's just hard to know at this point in time where Dwight will leave it? We are still waiting on code that would polish up GOT and that game is a bit ahead of GB code currently. I think both of these games (GOT, GB) have the potential to achieve greatness. they just aren't there quite yet....

I see both sides.

I have never bought a game New, that I haven't played, or been vetted with time and code.
Usually picking a game up as second or third owner. I think we all now the reasons along with finances, and me being a cheap bastard.

GB was my first gamble.

I believe, that for players who compete, it's not
Going to get the love, period.
Won't matter about the code. Its not a game that gives the talented players what they want.

However, for casual fun, it's to me the best.
It does something different, and does it exceptionally well.

they usually don't until they finally sold it. Then they let you know how they really feel. Except for me, because I was telling people the Xmen LE sucked balls as I was selling. It was just so terrible, I couldn't keep it to myself even in sales transactions. Luckily I traded to someone that loved the theme so much he didn't care if it sucked. And he lucked out, because the code eventually came around and made it a tolerable game.

you talking pinballs or heroin?

Actually, I think its probably the opposite of that. I think the majority of people that really dislike GB are control players, who tend to be the better overall players (particularly in tournament competition) on average. The dislike comes from the game taking away that control factor, both in terms of sustaining control and recovering it once lost. In a casual environment that's fine, and actually can be quite fun in some ways, but in a competitive environment it can be frustrating.

In the spirit of not just complaining, but actually suggesting something that might help alleviate that, I would propose this:

I would love to see a quick 2-ball multiball added to this game, something not that difficult to get into (the first time) but also not really high scoring. I think the lack of a quickly accessible multiball adds to the frustration factor for many people. I know I've had some local players lament about how infrequently they get into a multiball when we were playing at bar tournaments. Perhaps having the reward for defeating Slimer include a 2-ball quick multiball instead of the mode start re-lighting might be better. Then the mode start could also be done in a different, less involved way, that would also minimize the "mode jail" situation.

I do think it is likely that code improvements will help make this game better from a competitive standpoint down the line.

Stern may not officially participate on Pinside, but I can assure you that they read every thread like this.

Believe me, Rare isn't the only one who hates XM!

No way GB will ever be as good as Batman66. That's like the best pinball machine ever!

LoL we haven't even seen it yet, good grief

Who's we, lone ranger?

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I love people who say the Scoleri Brothers should be removed because they are a nuisance.

Earth to Pinsiders.....they are SUPPOSED to be a nuisance!

that has to be true. I mean, just look at how many people own dark knight. So this batman should sell about as good as that, since it's practically the same layout with different rules and alternate coffee can. Right?

Multiball on GB really isn't that good right now. It's never something I look forward to or think 'wow I can really score some points now' because it just doesn't score well or even play well for that matter. Most of the time I get around an average of 25 million points. The reward for collecting all the ghosts doesn't seem very much (4 or 5 million?) and the scoleri targets are always getting in the way pissing the player off. I still like the game a lot, but there are just some things that I think need to be updated in the game. If that doesn't happen I'm ok with it too. Only time will tell whenever we see another code release and what changes are made.

Rob

They don't belong in SFMB.

Rob

Batman66 Supreme LE, $10,000 by Chistmas!

Earth to air pinball: they kind of suck. If a giant hole in the middle of the playfield was "supposed to be a nuisance" it wouldn't make it a desirable design feature.

As opposed to a nAIRratelive purpose...