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Corrosion-Affected Components: Replace or Salvage?

By UvulaBob

9 years ago



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#1 9 years ago

I have a Road Kings that's possibly affected by some minor corrosion - random lockups and freakouts. I plan on removing the affected components and scrubbing everything down with vinegar and such. But I'm wondering if components are usually salvageable up to a point, or if I should just replace everything. I ask because there are two or three PIAs that are affected, and those are kind of a pain to come by.

Here's the extent of the corrosion. I've seen some pretty nasty stuff, so I'd call this a 3 or 4 out of 10.

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#2 9 years ago

Cut it out and replace it.

Desoldering corroded parts of the board are tough, as you know if you've ever worked with corroded boards.

Traditional desoldering methods just don't work real well. Cutting components out, and heating 1 leg at a time from the solder side of the board and carefully pulling through the component side has the best success rate for me.

PIAs aren't tough to come by. Yeah, they aren't cheap, but there are LOTS and LOTS of pulls out there. Look up Andrew, he has plenty of good clean Motorola pulls.

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/fs-6821-pia-mc6821p-starting-at-3-each-legit-no-remarks-tested

Having said that, I've got concerns on that board being salvageable. It's got a lot of creep on it from the corrosion working around. All the spots where there are black dots in the traces (look, for example, above U51), that means the solder mask needs to be removed from the board, and sanded clean down to bare copper traces, which then need to be tinned or otherwise sealed. Otherwise, it'll continue to spread under the solder mask, and eventually, will eat through those fine traces on the component side of the board.

Any board is salvageable, but not every board is *economically* salvageable.

I would also suggest removing the lamp matrix column resistors and transistors, and convert to mosfets with jumpers in place of the resistors. The lamp matrix column section of that board is heavily baked, and heat will just continue to make it worse. The mosfets run much, much cooler than the resistors, and they won't continue to cook the board.

#3 9 years ago
Quoted from johnwartjr:

All the spots where there are black dots in the traces (

Huh. I never looked that closely at the board. You're saying all of those little black dots are corrosion? If so, then I'd need to sand the thing down to bare copper, neutralize it with vinegar and then cover it up with clean nail polish or that green trace cover-up stuff, right?

Quoted from johnwartjr:

Any board is salvageable, but not every board is *economically* salvageable.

This is true. Fortunately, this machine is owned by my work, so I have a bit of flexibility.

My options are to try to repair it myself, send it to someone to get it repaired or replace it completely. I'm comfortable replacing components myself, as I've done three or four System 6 bulletproofings. I've been quoted $165 + shipping (15 bucks both ways) by someone for repair, and he has a test bench that can (presumably) make sure everything's working fine before he sends it back. The third option is to buy a replacement board. Rottendog sells a system 11A replacement board that I believe can be used in a System 11 like Road Kings. That's 380 bucks, though.

If every little black spot on the board could be a corrosion time-bomb waiting to happen, I may want to send it to the guy who says that for 165 plus shipping, he can get it completely working - components and all.

#4 9 years ago

Once you've sanded it to bare copper, there should be nothing left to neutralize.

Yes, you'll want to seal with something, clear lacquer, conformal coating, nail polish, etc.

I've got a Sys11 test fixture, and you can do a pretty thorough job repairing boards with it.

I'm not sure about the Rottendog board in a Sys11 (no letter) - but I don't think it's compatible. If you look at the Rottendog site, the game isn't listed as compatible.

http://rottendog.us/MPU011A.html

If the person offering to repair it for $165 is reputable, I'd jump at that - I don't think that I'd tackle this repair myself.

I've heard of some technicians who will get a board with damage like this working completely, and then seal the entire board with some sort of acrylic paint coating, with the theory that if oxygen can't get to the corrosion, it can't spread... but I'm wary of this method myself.

Definitely ask lots of questions, to be sure

#5 9 years ago

You also mentioned replacing the transistors to the right of the burned area with MOSFETs and replacing those resistors with jumper wires. I'm certainly down for that. The thing is, I think those are already MOSFETs. I recall replacing these, but I can't find the order on Marco or GPE. At any rate, the number on them is F9Z34N, which Google has all over the place as being a MOSFET part number.

If these are already MOSFETs, then I can just remove these resistors and replace them with jumper wires, right? What gauge should I use?

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