Orange/red.

Here are some thoughts on this. The colour differences could be caused by a few variables. Faded backglass. Flaking paint on the backglass, especially at that point. Photo image variables. Finally the difference between light sources, LED or incandescent.

20140415_185842.jpg here's one orange red

Were does one purchase a Shay repro? How much? Is there a Gold Strike version?

Here: http://shayarcadegroup.com/index.html

Thanks. I'm very intrigued. How do they compare to originals? They look great from what I can tell.

Does he treat the back of the glass with a varnish for durability?

They are true to original for sure.

I don't know who is reproducing the bg's now. A lady whose name is Marti has done most all bg's reproduced for years and very sadly passed away a few months ago at a young age. She was a super nice lady. When I was getting Pleasure Isle bg's made we spoke a lot by phone and she explained the whole process....amazing! Her process of making them was done as originally made. Her brother did the screening and she did the artwork/colors...no computers used. She sent me a picture of her room w/all the bg's she had done...incredible. Unfortunately I had a computer crash and no longer have it. She did most all if not all Gottlieb glasses and others.

RIP Marti.

Bg's have no 'clear' or varnish. She (Marti) strongly suggested not to put anything on them like Triple Thick etc.....no need to.

Here is my original glass.
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The center circle of the sun is definitely a darker red than the surrounding rays (orange). Looking very closely at the center circle itself, there appears to be a darker red ring around it. My guess is that this is where the two screens overlap (no black line to cover bad registration).

Gottlieb glasses are notorious for fading reds. Which would explain the "white" sun mentioned before.

Sure thing manitouguy. Enjoy your games and the hobby!

I've had four of these El Dorado's and here's the worst places in order for lifting paint on the ones I've had.

Center of the sun (red-orange)
El Dorado letters (red)
Gun (brown)
Guy's jacket (reddish-brown)

I have the same problem as you - I have kept my best one and it has a spec in the sun gone and a little in the red letters. I have TT'd it and touched up and it looks decent. I'm getting a repro from Shay when they're done in June or so. I'm hanging on to this glass in case I get another El Dorado some day. Someone would buy yours if you ship or take it to a show to sell. Some people like the wall art too....

Sorry, I got Shay's last El D glass he had in stock at the time a few months back.

CJ - that's a spectacular original glass!

Cash - can you elaborate on the process folks are using to reproduce these glasses like Shay and Ron do? For repros, I much prefer the faithful screen printed ones over the other methods (when a nice original isn't available). But I'm curious what the barriers to entry are (other than licensing). Just how are they done? (I've got a Bally Skill Roll that could use a better glass, and it seems a simple enough design to try sometime.) Are Shay and Ron both using the same printer?

(Maybe better in a separate thread, sorry!)

Agree with dirt - that's a nice original glass you have there CJ - tough to find.

To my knowledge, both Shay and Webb are using traditional Silk screening techniques to repro all their glasses.

The Barriers are the time consuming process of taking the original art, and converting it into films that can be used to expose the silk screens. The old Technique, which as was indicated, was used by Marti for most of the Gott. glasses made was to hand cut Rubylith films. Another process, which is typically what CPR uses is to take a digital scan, and do color separations on computer, then output files that can be used to produce the Silk Screens. So, although done digitally, the final process is still the traditional silk screening.

I was one time told that it took Marti an average of 100 hours to hand cut the films. Her work was second to no-ones!

I am not sure what Webb and Shay are doing now that Marti is gone. As long as the past films are preserved, they are re-used for future runs of glasses. Many of the glasses that are remade today, date back to the films that Marti made for Herb Silvers of Fabulous Fantasies.

Cash - can you elaborate on the process folks are using to reproduce these glasses like Shay and Ron do? For repros, I much prefer the faithful screen printed ones over the other methods (when a nice original isn't available). But I'm curious what the barriers to entry are (other than licensing). Just how are they done? (I've got a Bally Skill Roll that could use a better glass, and it seems a simple enough design to try sometime.) Are Shay and Ron both using the same printer?

(Maybe better in a separate thread, sorry!)

Dirt...just saw this/your post. CactusJack pretty much answered your question to me. It is a LOT of work as CJ wrote. I wish I had all the info. Marti told me about the process on tape or video...it amazed me. I think a lot of people think Shay or Ron do the artwork, but they are just 'licensed' distributors.....which is also a lot of work and thanks to them both! I was approved to be licensed by Gottlieb through Steve Young and Mondial Corp., but suggested better to go thru an already licensed distributor because of Ins. costs/liability. The insurance quotes I got were very high. I never thought about if somebody cuts themselves on a bg I could be sued....never- ever though about that! Shay agreed to license/produce Pleasure Isle so thanks to all involved it was done.

Hope that answers your question. : )

Really interesting CJ - thanks for sharing.......

yes, good info - thanks!

Seems like Ron and Shay are producing new glasses too though (among some re-runs), so who's cutting Rubylith film now?